FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2019

Toddzilla · 12-30-2019, 10:42 AM

Please vote in the thread below - discussion is always welcome.

You are voting for a player to be admitted into the Baseball Hall of Fame. You may vote for no more than 10 players. Players appearing on 75% or more ballots gain admission.

Please hide your ballot in the SPOILER tag so as not to unduly influence others.

Code:

Player   Years on Ballot
Curt Schilling	8th
Roger Clemens	8th
Barry Bonds	8th
Larry Walker	10th
Omar Vizquel	3rd
Manny Ramirez	4th
Jeff Kent	7th
Scott Rolen	3rd
Billy Wagner	5th
Todd Helton	2nd
Gary Sheffield	6th
Andy Pettitte	2nd
Sammy Sosa	8th
Andruw Jones	3rd
Derek Jeter	1st
Bobby Abreu	1st
Jason Giambi	1st
Cliff Lee	1st
Rafael Furcal	1st
Eric Chavez	1st
Josh Beckett	1st
Brian Roberts	1st
Alfonso Soriano	1st
Carlos Pena	1st
Paul Konerko	1st
Chone Figgins	1st
Raul Ibanez	1st
Brad Penny	1st
Adam Dunn	1st
J.J. Putz	1st
Jose Valverde	1st
Heath Bell  1st

Toddzilla · 12-30-2019, 10:48 AM

My Ballot:

Spoiler

Toddzilla · 12-30-2019, 10:49 AM

I'll compile voting and post results after the BBWAA results are posted.

Here's what happened the last time I did this in '16

FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016 - Front Office Football Central

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2019, 11:26 AM

Alright, lemme see here

Spoiler

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2019, 11:28 AM

I will say that it was interesting for me to go back to the 2016 link & review my voting then, and to discover that the player I lingered longest over last time was the player I lingered over longest this time too.

cartman · 12-30-2019, 11:36 AM

Here's mine:

Spoiler

molson · 12-30-2019, 12:02 PM

Spoiler

BYU 14 · 12-30-2019, 12:05 PM

Mine

Spoiler

Radii · 12-30-2019, 01:19 PM

Spoiler

tarcone · 12-30-2019, 02:35 PM

Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-30-2019, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tarcone

Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip?

It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

Izulde · 12-30-2019, 03:23 PM

Spoiler

tarcone · 12-30-2019, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

It's done with tags, put the word spoiler inside brackets to start the tag, put /spoiler inside brackets to close the tag

Thanks., Votes on the way.

tarcone · 12-30-2019, 03:57 PM

Spoiler

tarcone · 12-30-2019, 04:00 PM

Scott Rolen was a great 3B. A leader and a winner. His defense was outstanding and he was a very good hitter.

bhlloy · 12-30-2019, 05:13 PM

Spoiler

Swaggs · 12-30-2019, 06:48 PM

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.

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Atocep · 12-30-2019, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing.

I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks.

Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers.

3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

Swaggs · 12-30-2019, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep

3rd Base, for whatever reason, is just horribly underrepresented in the HoF. Part of it is they just tend to fall off a cliff at age 30, but even guys that are productive into their mid 30s (like Rolen) tend to be overlooked. Hell, go back and look at Beltre's previous HoF threads. There just seems to be a weird bias against the position.

Looking over this: Third Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com

Never noticed, but very true.

It is insane that Schmidt wasn’t a 100% on the first ballot when you consider that guys like Boggs, Jones, and Beltre were all still playing or yet to play. In 1995, you would have been comparing him to existing HOFers Eddie Matthews and Brooks Robinson and recently retired George Brett and late career Boggs. He got 96.5%. Old times sportswriters’ egos must have been something to behold.

Also, I feel like I need to mention that I hate the Phillies, despite advocating for Abreu, Rosen, and Schmidt. Don’t want to be misleading.

Atocep · 12-30-2019, 09:58 PM

Spoiler

Ramzavail · 01-02-2020, 12:06 PM

Spoiler

spleen1015 · 01-02-2020, 12:17 PM

Spoiler

DanGarion · 01-02-2020, 04:57 PM

Spoiler

ntndeacon · 01-02-2020, 08:27 PM

Spoiler

Ramzavail · 01-02-2020, 10:15 PM

not much love for Billy Wagner.

Sublime 2 · 01-03-2020, 10:25 PM

Spoiler

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Toddzilla · 01-20-2020, 09:54 AM

Last Call

revrew · 01-20-2020, 10:22 AM

Spoiler

stevew · 01-20-2020, 10:39 AM

Spoiler

kingfc22 · 01-20-2020, 11:49 AM

Spoiler

SirFozzie · 01-20-2020, 12:10 PM

Spoiler

cartman · 01-21-2020, 05:20 PM

Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

Lathum · 01-21-2020, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cartman

Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous.

Yankee fans are triggered.

I;m having fun trolling them on Twitter saying Piazza was better.

Atocep · 01-21-2020, 06:08 PM

Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

JPhillips · 01-21-2020, 06:10 PM

The guy who didn't vote for Jeter is a hero.

Vince, Pt. II · 01-21-2020, 06:35 PM

My list:

Spoiler

Vince, Pt. II · 01-21-2020, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atocep

Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

+1, though I thought he absolutely deserved it.

Toddzilla · 01-22-2020, 07:44 AM

The votes have been tabulated and the 2020 inductee to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame is...

Derek Jeter - 100%

Only Larry Walker is missing from the IRL list of inductees.

We had 20 voters, so an even 15 was required for enshrinement. Clemens missed it by 1, Bonds by 2. Walker wasn't even close (hosers).

Code:

Derek Jeter 	20
Roger Clemens	14
Barry Bonds	13
Larry Walker	10
Curt Schilling	11
Manny Ramirez	9
Billy Wagner	7
Scott Rolen	7
Gary Sheffield	4
Jeff Kent	4
Todd Helton	3
Omar Vizquel	3
Sammy Sosa	3
Andruw Jones 	2
Andy Pettitte	2
Bobby Abreu	2
Paul Konerko	2
Alfonso Soriano	1
Adam Dunn	1

Google sheet here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

Toddzilla · 01-22-2020, 07:47 AM

The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

Lathum · 01-22-2020, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

I heard on the radio Willie Mays missed being unanimous by 22 votes. This is why people hate Yankee fans.

spleen1015 · 01-22-2020, 10:07 AM

People think Mariano getting 100% changed the way people vote.

Someone said it last night. It doesn't matter. He got in.

Doesn't matter that Walker made it by 6 votes. He got in.

They should just tell us yes or no and not worry about percentages.

Glad Walker got in. He has a good story.

molson · 01-22-2020, 10:45 AM

It's just kind of funny that it was one person who kept him from being unanimous.

Probably someone who omitted the lock so he could vote for 10 other people. Gota make sure Cliff Lee gets a vote.

12-30-2019, 10:48 AM	#2
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	My Ballot: Spoiler Clemens Bonds Walker Ramirez Rolen Jeter Sheffield Abreu I suppose there's an argument to be made about Kent and Konerko, but I don't have one.

12-30-2019, 11:28 AM	#5
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I will say that it was interesting for me to go back to the 2016 link & review my voting then, and to discover that the player I lingered longest over last time was the player I lingered over longest this time too. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-30-2019, 11:36 AM	#6
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Here's mine: Spoiler Clemens Bonds Sosa Jeter __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-30-2019, 12:02 PM	#7
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Spoiler Jeter Schilling The HOF vote tracker thing they do every year with the ballots made public has Bonds and Clemens both getting in. And Schilling. I'm not sure if that's typical of the public ballots or if the voters who don't participate lean more heavily against those guys.

12-30-2019, 12:05 PM	#8
BYU 14 Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The scorched Desert	Mine Spoiler Jeter Bonds Clemens Ramirez

12-30-2019, 10:49 AM	#3
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	I'll compile voting and post results after the BBWAA results are posted. Here's what happened the last time I did this in '16 FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame 2016 - Front Office Football Central

12-30-2019, 11:26 AM	#4
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Alright, lemme see here Spoiler Schilling Wagner Jeter __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-30-2019, 01:19 PM	#9
Radii Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Spoiler Schilling Clemens Bonds Ramirez Jeter

12-30-2019, 02:35 PM	#10
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Not gonna lie. I have no idea how to to the spoiler. Could someone give me a tip? __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

12-30-2019, 03:23 PM	#12
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	Spoiler Schilling Jeter Konerko (We'll always have 2005, Paulie) __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

12-30-2019, 03:57 PM	#14
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Spoiler 1. Barry Bonds 2. Roger Clemens 3. Sammy Sosa 4. Curt Schilling 5. Derek Jeter 6. Scott Rolen 7. Billy Wagner 8. Larry Walker 9. Jeff Kent 10. Omar Vizquel __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

12-30-2019, 04:00 PM	#15
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Scott Rolen was a great 3B. A leader and a winner. His defense was outstanding and he was a very good hitter. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

12-30-2019, 05:13 PM	#16
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Spoiler Rolen Clemens Bonds Walker Jeter

12-30-2019, 06:48 PM	#17
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I was reading an article on the Athletic about the candidates for this year. Pretty decent cases made for Scott Rolen (70.2 WAR) and Bobby Abreu (60). Two guys that did not feel like HoFers to me while they were playing. I think Rolen’s career overlapping with Chipper Jones and Adrian Beltre (#4 & 6 in all time 3B WAR) overshadows that he is top 10 all time. Plus, there were guys like Chavez, Glaus, and Aramis Ramirez that seemed as good at their peaks. Abreu has less of a case, but still pretty impressive and similar to or better than guys like Sheffield, Sosa, Vlad, and Ichiro. And way better than a lot of Hall of Famers. Spoiler Clemens Bonds Jeter Walker Manny Ramirez Rolen I’d say Schilling is the toughest for me. I originally had Manny on the bubble, too, but if Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez are in (and Harold Baines!), Manny belongs. Looking at Schilling’s career trajectory, I barely passed on him because I think there’s a good chance he used PEDs (peaked in his mid-30s and wasn’t exactly a physical specimen). That lands him at the top of the Sosa, Palmiero, McGwire tier and below the Bonds, Clemens, A-Rod tier where they were special enough to be HOFers with or without and had otherworldly stats with it. Plus his winning percentage is sub-60% even though he played on a lot of really good teams (I know it’s an antiquated stat, but when you look at his contemporaries, it really sticks out to me). Manny probably belongs. If Frank Thomas and Edgar Martinez are HOFers, it’s hard to say he isn’t. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-30-2019, 09:58 PM	#20
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Spoiler Jeter Schilling Walker Rolen

01-02-2020, 12:06 PM	#21
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	Spoiler Jeter Clemens Bonds Schilling Wagner Rolen Vizquel Andruw Jones Last edited by Ramzavail : 01-02-2020 at 12:07 PM.

01-02-2020, 12:17 PM	#22
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Spoiler Curt Schilling Larry Walker Jeff Kent Billy Wagner Todd Helton Derek Jeter __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option? Last edited by spleen1015 : 01-08-2020 at 11:22 AM. Reason: After reading an article, my opinion of Curt Schilling changed. Just because he's an MFer, that doesn't make him NOT an HoFer.

01-02-2020, 04:57 PM	#23
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	Spoiler Walker Bonds Clemens Manny Sheffield Jeter __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

01-02-2020, 08:27 PM	#24
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Spoiler Larry Walker Jeff Kent Scott Rolen Todd Helton Gary Sheffield Andruw Jones Derek Jeter Bobby Abreu Alfonso Soriaro Paul Konerko __________________ Up the Posh! Last edited by ntndeacon : 01-02-2020 at 08:28 PM.

01-02-2020, 10:15 PM	#25
Ramzavail College Starter Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Strong Island, NY	not much love for Billy Wagner.

01-03-2020, 10:25 PM	#26
Sublime 2 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Hampshire	Spoiler Bonds Clemens Jeter Manny Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

01-20-2020, 09:54 AM	#27
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Last Call

01-20-2020, 10:22 AM	#28
revrew Team Chaplain Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Just outside Des Moines, IA	Spoiler Clemens Bonds Sosa Jeter Wagner Ramirez Schilling __________________ Winner of 6 FOFC Scribe Awards, including 3 Gold Scribes Founder of the ZFL, 2004 Golden Scribe Dynasty of the Year Now bringing The Des Moines Dragons back to life, and the joke's on YOU, NFL! I came to the Crossroad. I took it. And that has made all the difference. Last edited by revrew : 01-20-2020 at 11:09 AM.

01-20-2020, 10:39 AM	#29
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Spoiler Clemens Bonds walker Jeter Pettitte Sheffield Manny Helton Wagner Dunn

01-20-2020, 11:49 AM	#30
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Spoiler Jeter Clemens Bonds Walker Vizquel Kent Wagner Schilling __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

01-20-2020, 12:10 PM	#31
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Spoiler Jeter Schilling Bonds Clemens Ramirez Pettitte __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

01-21-2020, 05:20 PM	#32
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Walker and Jeter made it. Jeter was one vote short of unanimous. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 01-21-2020 at 05:22 PM.

01-21-2020, 06:08 PM	#34
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Really happy for Larry Walker. I didn't expect him to get in.

01-21-2020, 06:10 PM	#35
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The guy who didn't vote for Jeter is a hero. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-21-2020, 06:35 PM	#36
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	My list: Spoiler 1. Barry Bonds 2. Roger Clemens 3. Curt Schilling 4. Larry Walker 5. Derek Jeter 6. Scott Rolen 7. Jeff Kent 8. Todd Helton 9. Omar Vizquel

01-22-2020, 07:44 AM	#38
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	The votes have been tabulated and the 2020 inductee to the FOFC Baseball Hall of Fame is... Derek Jeter - 100% Only Larry Walker is missing from the IRL list of inductees. We had 20 voters, so an even 15 was required for enshrinement. Clemens missed it by 1, Bonds by 2. Walker wasn't even close (hosers). Code: Derek Jeter 20 Roger Clemens 14 Barry Bonds 13 Larry Walker 10 Curt Schilling 11 Manny Ramirez 9 Billy Wagner 7 Scott Rolen 7 Gary Sheffield 4 Jeff Kent 4 Todd Helton 3 Omar Vizquel 3 Sammy Sosa 3 Andruw Jones 2 Andy Pettitte 2 Bobby Abreu 2 Paul Konerko 2 Alfonso Soriano 1 Adam Dunn 1 Google sheet here: hxxps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PpHRK1U1evmq-EMTTWt95aAO6a1XbL2bCxX2C4reRAU/edit?usp=sharing

01-22-2020, 07:47 AM	#39
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	The handwringing over Jeter not getting 100% is so silly. Cal Ripken didn't get 100%, Greg Maddux didn't get 100%, nor did maybe 50 other guys for whom an argument cannot be made to not vote for them. So not voting for a "leader" who refused to change positions in favor of a vastly superior defender at SS isn't a crime imho.

01-22-2020, 10:07 AM	#41
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	People think Mariano getting 100% changed the way people vote. Someone said it last night. It doesn't matter. He got in. Doesn't matter that Walker made it by 6 votes. He got in. They should just tell us yes or no and not worry about percentages. Glad Walker got in. He has a good story. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

01-22-2020, 10:45 AM	#42
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	It's just kind of funny that it was one person who kept him from being unanimous. Probably someone who omitted the lock so he could vote for 10 other people. Gota make sure Cliff Lee gets a vote.

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