Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN - Page 18

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Do we know for sure that if you get night killed, the killers take your money? Considering there is a service that can be bought which let someone steal money, I wasn't sure that was the case. And I don't see anything about that in the rules.

Nah just speculation. I think it was asked once but no answer on it. I'm just running on the assumption.

Autumn · 02-15-2011, 09:08 AM

Mornings in Vegas aren't normally necessarily pleasant, but there's a feeling of dread the last few days, each morning a new murder. This one is no different. You wake to news on every TV screen. Someone dead, garotted in a casino restroom. Disturbing images follow and you each recognize the victim. It's Hoopsguy!

Yes, Hoopsguy is dead. Hoopsguy was The Gambler.

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You are a resident of Vegas, but you're more than that. You're the best gambler this town has seen, the kind of guy the casinos keep a photo of in their security booth. You can't help it if you win more than you should. Well, maybe you can, but you like to win. You have a special ability - your lynch vote counts as two votes. That fact will not be publicly displayed in the vote counts, but of course may affect vote outcomes.

You'd like the people of Vegas to win, but you also have your own victory condition. Somewhere in the game is the Casino Owner. More than anything you'd like to show him who's tops. Your major victory condition is to outlast the Casino Owner in this game.

Autumn · 02-15-2011, 09:09 AM

Betting is closed. I'll put up the new service list in a moment. Voting is open.

The Jackal · 02-15-2011, 09:14 AM

Not surprised at all that hoops was telling the truth, time to go over the posts from last night and see how the votes swung out. Glad to have been right on CF there.

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 09:15 AM

Yikes. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could more easily go back and read all the stuff thrown against hoops. I think the Mafia is panicking with this kill. We'll see.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 09:15 AM

Hmm. Anyone want to reveal as the Casino Owner now?

Sorry to see you go hoops, but the good news is that the paranoia that accompanies you is also gone!

Autumn · 02-15-2011, 09:19 AM

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town

Black Market Services -
Dante the Loan Shark - Need somebody to do some dirty work, he knows who's desperate.

Only the Mafia can bid on Black Market Services.

Please note the list carefully before you bid, some services aren't always available. Bids are due by 9 p.m. EST.

JAG · 02-15-2011, 09:19 AM

I'm interesting in getting results from those who used services, assuming the good guys got some.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

I think the Mafia is panicking with this kill. We'll see.

What makes you say that?

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What makes you say that?

I'm thinking there was probably a Mafia vote of two on him so we can either attack that list or continue on with the list We worked yesterday which was the first day lathum betters. I'm curious to see what happens while I'm in meetings today.. which start soon unfortunately. 10-3 ill be checking in intermittently.

JAG · 02-15-2011, 09:34 AM

As a point of strategy discussion for today...obviously I took home some cash from yesterday's vote. Can anyone give me a good reason why I shouldn't buy the night kill or at least make it ridiculously cost-prohibitive for the wolves by bidding it high?

ntndeacon · 02-15-2011, 09:34 AM

well mauboy is a villager. a couple things he had said yesterday had pinged me so I used Mario to investigate him.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 09:39 AM

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JAG scanned Chief Rum
DaddyTorgo
Saldana
The Jackal won bet on J23, scanned Darth Vilus
Zinto
Darth Vilus scanned by The Jackal
Chief Rum scanned by JAG
Mauboy1 scanned by ntndeacon
Passacaglia hoops said he had $1000 Night 2
Tyketime
Mckerney
cougarfreak
ntndeacon won bet on PackerFanatic, scanned Mauboy1

If anyone has more that we should add to this, let me know.

The Jackal · 02-15-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

As a point of strategy discussion for today...obviously I took home some cash from yesterday's vote. Can anyone give me a good reason why I shouldn't buy the night kill or at least make it ridiculously cost-prohibitive for the wolves by bidding it high?

I struggled with that same choice the day I bought Tank/Mario, but as the game has progressed, preventing kills is probably as useful as investigating people. Should be a fun decision for you to mull over.

ntndeacon · 02-15-2011, 09:40 AM

guarded myself too if that helps

ntndeacon · 02-15-2011, 09:42 AM

I don't see a reason to change.

Vote DT

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 09:44 AM

When I revealed the list yesterday I almost changed yours to not show your winning big because I felt you were definitely solid..sorry it wasn't reciprocated. Good to know I'm cleared.. me and my128 bucks.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Your point is well taken. However in my case, I don't have a hint...I have someone telling me that if I am good I must vote Darth. I won't reveal who that is just yet but thought I would throw it out there

ntn, interested in revealing this now?

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:02 AM

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Name Job Winner Night 1 Amount Winner Night 2 Amount Winner Night 3 Amount
Tank Bodyguard 1000 The Jackal 2500 ntndeacon 1551
Mario PI JAG 778 The Jackal 1500 ntndeacon 1551
Cassie Escort 51 250 301
Knuckles Kill 1150 1501 1000
Destiny How much money 200 hoopsguy 151 251
Speedeez Send Message 300 152 302
Kalustian Bet Reveal Chief Rum 1000 mauboy1 220 1001
24 hour Move Money 0 50 218
Lefty Steal? 1000 1000
Graceland Wedding 100 150
City Hall 251

Hopefully this formats. If anyone has stuff to add to this, let me know.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:02 AM

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Name    Job    Winner Night 1    Amount    Winner Night 2    Amount    Winner Night 3    Amount
Tank    Bodyguard        1000    The Jackal    2500    ntndeacon    1551
Mario    PI    JAG    778    The Jackal    1500    ntndeacon    1551
Cassie    Escort        51        250        301
Knuckles    Kill        1150        1501        1000
Destiny    How much money        200    hoopsguy    151        251
Speedeez    Send Message        300        152        302
Kalustian    Bet Reveal    Chief Rum    1000    mauboy1    220        1001
24 hour    Move Money        0        50        218
Lefty    Steal?        1000        1000        
Graceland    Wedding                100        150
City Hall                            251

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

ntn, interested in revealing this now?

It was me but there was more to it than just telling him to vote someone..

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

It was me but there was more to it than just telling him to vote someone..

What else was there?

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:13 AM

Also mau, you've already mentioned how much money you have, do you mind spilling what else you bid on?

mauchow · 02-15-2011, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What else was there?

It wasn't really anything. I was trying to make a little move if he was a wolf. But he's been off my radar since pretty early.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:20 AM

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Name    Job    Winner Night 1    Amount    Winner Night 2    Amount    Winner Night 3    Amount 
Tank    Bodyguard        1000    The Jackal    2500    ntndeacon    1551 
Mario    PI    JAG    778    The Jackal    1500    ntndeacon    1551 
Cassie    Escort    ntndeacon    51        250        301 
Knuckles    Kill        1150        1501        1000 
Destiny    How much money        200    hoopsguy    151        251 
Speedeez    Send Message    mauboy1    300        152        302 
Kalustian    Bet Reveal    Chief Rum    1000    mauboy1    220        1001 
24 hour    Move Money        0        50        218 
Lefty    Steal?        1000        1000         
Graceland    Wedding                100        150 
City Hall                            251

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:21 AM

Oy, I give up.

J23 · 02-15-2011, 10:25 AM

I think you can post it as code, but use spaces instead of tabs to get the formatting right.

J23 · 02-15-2011, 10:26 AM

Oh, and don't forget about that little preview button.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:29 AM

Yeah I'm using the preview button, so I won't bug people with my tests anymore, but now I really have given up. If people want the info, they can parse it from one of those posts, or just ask me about it.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Also mau, you've already mentioned how much money you have, do you mind spilling what else you bid on?

mau, just want to repeat this request, a little more urgently. Looking at the numbers and what you've bid on, 128 seems like a weird number for you to have. Not impossible, but weird.

VOTE MAUBOY1

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 10:46 AM

Mau has come and gone. Mikey no likey.

saldana · 02-15-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

mau, just want to repeat this request, a little more urgently. Looking at the numbers and what you've bid on, 128 seems like a weird number for you to have. Not impossible, but weird.

VOTE MAUBOY1

so you are discounting the clean scan that NTN reports having on him...basically saying they are both wolves at this point?

wouldnt be a horrible idea to lynch Mau as a means of clearing NTN since he seems to be buying up alot of services

MartinD · 02-15-2011, 11:21 AM

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Name      Job            Winner Night 1 Amount Winner Night 2 Amount Winner Night 3 Amount
Tank      Bodyguard                     1000   The Jackal     2500   ntndeacon      1551
Mario     PI             JAG             778   The Jackal     1500   ntndeacon      1551
Cassie    Escort                          51                   250                   301
Knuckles  Kill                          1150                  1501                  1000
Destiny   How much money                 200   hoopsguy        151                   251
Speedeez  Send Message                   300                   152                   302
Kalustian Bet Reveal     Chief Rum      1000   mauboy1         220                  1001
24 hour   Move Money                       0                    50                   218

There isn't enough information to be sure about where the numbers go on the rest.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by saldana

so you are discounting the clean scan that NTN reports having on him...basically saying they are both wolves at this point?

wouldnt be a horrible idea to lynch Mau as a means of clearing NTN since he seems to be buying up alot of services

At this point, I'm willing to consider it. A lot depends on mau's answer to how he spent his money IMO, and the vote is just a way to get an answer out of him.

saldana · 02-15-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

Yikes. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could more easily go back and read all the stuff thrown against hoops. I think the Mafia is panicking with this kill. We'll see.

i dont see it as panic...i see it as logic...he revealed as a roled villager so they took him out...WW101 as far as i am concerned, especially since they didnt know if his powers were limited to just the double vote since it isnt a published role.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 11:23 AM

Thanks Martin! For those playing, the others that Martin didn't include weren't eligible to bet bet on every day, which is why he wasn't able to complete it.

saldana · 02-15-2011, 11:24 AM

dola...thanks for trying to work out the formatting martin...when i saw you posted i actually had to go back to the first post to see if you were playing and I didnt notice it.

JAG · 02-15-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

At this point, I'm willing to consider it. A lot depends on mau's answer to how he spent his money IMO, and the vote is just a way to get an answer out of him.

If you're on the right track here and we can't trace his money, we should lynch ntndeacon instead, who would likely have more money left, since he would obviously be working with mauboy by giving the wrong scan result.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

If you're on the right track here and we can't trace his money, we should lynch ntndeacon instead, who would likely have more money left, since he would obviously be working with mauboy by giving the wrong scan result.

Could be. If they're both bad, we really don't know how much money any of them has, since they'd been pooling money. Especially since ntn claims to have spent 3102 last night on Tank and Mario (which I believe, since if someone else won those services instead, they REALLY ought to let us know).

JAG · 02-15-2011, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Could be. If they're both bad, we really don't know how much money any of them has, since they'd been pooling money. Especially since ntn claims to have spent 3102 last night on Tank and Mario (which I believe, since if someone else won those services instead, they REALLY ought to let us know).

I'm just basing that on Mau's claim to having $128. Maybe ntn has less, but I think there's a reasonable chance he has more and if not, $128 isn't a big deal. The way I figured the money pooling worked is that the wolves could figure out how much they each contribute but couldn't just freely give money to each other.

ntndeacon · 02-15-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

ntn, interested in revealing this now?

Yes, sure. It was Mau. One reason I did not say it at the time, was he knew that I had bought the escort service night one. and he acted like he did not get what it was to be used for. At the time I was confused as he had obtained that info. Now I realize it was due to Destiny that he knew. (thanks hoops for that bit of info.)

JAG · 02-15-2011, 12:04 PM

Ok, I see how we get to 128 now, so I'm going to assume for now these two are on the up and up.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Yes, sure. It was Mau. One reason I did not say it at the time, was he knew that I had bought the escort service night one. and he acted like he did not get what it was to be used for. At the time I was confused as he had obtained that info. Now I realize it was due to Destiny that he knew. (thanks hoops for that bit of info.)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Ok, I see how we get to 128 now, so I'm going to assume for now these two are on the up and up.

If mau bought destiny, I've also got it narrowed down -- there was another combination that I was a little more worried of. So the last piece that mau likely spent his money on could probably be vouched for by someone else...right? Or is that person dead?

JAG · 02-15-2011, 12:12 PM

Vote Saldana

He was pinging me throughout the day yesterday. He had some weirdness with Lathum D1 that might've been him fooling around as he claimed or he might've changed it when it seemed a sure thing he wasn't going to be lynched (he could've originally been there to support a teammate who had bet Lathum), and I feel like he's been throwing out a lot of suspicions, none of which to this point have been proven justified.

The Jackal · 02-15-2011, 12:12 PM

It seems that at some point the wolves would pull the BG/scan with one of their numbers to clear either one or two people (depending on if they chose to scan a wolf clean or scanned a villager clean). We've laid off the scanners so far, and I'd say rightfully so, so it could be a ploy. But I'll probably look elsewhere for today.

JAG · 02-15-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If mau bought destiny, I've also got it narrowed down -- there was another combination that I was a little more worried of. So the last piece that mau likely spent his money on could probably be vouched for by someone else...right? Or is that person dead?

True, either could be possible. If someone else bought the service in question though, it should be easy to confirm, assuming they step forward.

The Jackal · 02-15-2011, 12:15 PM

I don't mind saldana as a candidate either, to be honest. Knowing that Lathum was a villager and getting a bad vibe from sal is a starting point, though not really a justification. Problem is most of the people outside of the Mario linkups right now have been laying low, so its going to be tough to judge them.

JAG · 02-15-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

It seems that at some point the wolves would pull the BG/scan with one of their numbers to clear either one or two people (depending on if they chose to scan a wolf clean or scanned a villager clean). We've laid off the scanners so far, and I'd say rightfully so, so it could be a ploy. But I'll probably look elsewhere for today.

Agreed. If ntn and mau coordinated the combination of services over these few days as wolves, it's a pretty impressive job. I don't see myself going there today though.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 12:18 PM

Is anyone else really bothered by how little info we have? I mean, why wouldn't someone reveal that they spent 1K on Tank Night 1? Or the people who could move money -- I assume those guys are villagers, since that service is useless to the wolves, since they can pool their money when they bid anyway.

Passacaglia · 02-15-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Is anyone else really bothered by how little info we have? I mean, why wouldn't someone reveal that they spent 1K on Tank Night 1? Or the people who could move money -- I assume those guys are villagers, since that service is useless to the wolves, since they can pool their money when they bid anyway.

To clarify, by "the people who can move money" I mean the people who bid on the 24 hour check cashing.

02-15-2011, 10:20 AM	#875
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	PHP Code: Name Job Winner Night 1 Amount Winner Night 2 Amount Winner Night 3 Amount Tank Bodyguard 1000 The Jackal 2500 ntndeacon 1551 Mario PI JAG 778 The Jackal 1500 ntndeacon 1551 Cassie Escort ntndeacon 51 250 301 Knuckles Kill 1150 1501 1000 Destiny How much money 200 hoopsguy 151 251 Speedeez Send Message mauboy1 300 152 302 Kalustian Bet Reveal Chief Rum 1000 mauboy1 220 1001 24 hour Move Money 0 50 218 Lefty Steal? 1000 1000 Graceland Wedding 100 150 City Hall 251

02-15-2011, 09:09 AM	#853
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Betting is closed. I'll put up the new service list in a moment. Voting is open.

02-15-2011, 09:14 AM	#854
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Not surprised at all that hoops was telling the truth, time to go over the posts from last night and see how the votes swung out. Glad to have been right on CF there.

02-15-2011, 09:15 AM	#855
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Yikes. I wish I wasn't on my phone so I could more easily go back and read all the stuff thrown against hoops. I think the Mafia is panicking with this kill. We'll see.

02-15-2011, 09:15 AM	#856
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Hmm. Anyone want to reveal as the Casino Owner now? Sorry to see you go hoops, but the good news is that the paranoia that accompanies you is also gone!

02-15-2011, 09:19 AM	#857
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town Black Market Services - Dante the Loan Shark - Need somebody to do some dirty work, he knows who's desperate. Only the Mafia can bid on Black Market Services. Please note the list carefully before you bid, some services aren't always available. Bids are due by 9 p.m. EST.

02-15-2011, 09:19 AM	#858
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I'm interesting in getting results from those who used services, assuming the good guys got some.

02-15-2011, 09:34 AM	#861
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	As a point of strategy discussion for today...obviously I took home some cash from yesterday's vote. Can anyone give me a good reason why I shouldn't buy the night kill or at least make it ridiculously cost-prohibitive for the wolves by bidding it high?

02-15-2011, 09:34 AM	#862
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	well mauboy is a villager. a couple things he had said yesterday had pinged me so I used Mario to investigate him.

02-15-2011, 09:40 AM	#865
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	guarded myself too if that helps

02-15-2011, 09:42 AM	#866
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I don't see a reason to change. Vote DT

02-15-2011, 09:44 AM	#867
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	When I revealed the list yesterday I almost changed yours to not show your winning big because I felt you were definitely solid..sorry it wasn't reciprocated. Good to know I'm cleared.. me and my128 bucks.

02-15-2011, 10:13 AM	#873
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Also mau, you've already mentioned how much money you have, do you mind spilling what else you bid on?

02-15-2011, 10:21 AM	#876
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Oy, I give up.

02-15-2011, 10:25 AM	#877
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	I think you can post it as code, but use spaces instead of tabs to get the formatting right.

02-15-2011, 10:26 AM	#878
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Oh, and don't forget about that little preview button.

02-15-2011, 10:29 AM	#879
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Yeah I'm using the preview button, so I won't bug people with my tests anymore, but now I really have given up. If people want the info, they can parse it from one of those posts, or just ask me about it.

02-15-2011, 10:46 AM	#881
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Mau has come and gone. Mikey no likey.

02-15-2011, 11:23 AM	#886
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Thanks Martin! For those playing, the others that Martin didn't include weren't eligible to bet bet on every day, which is why he wasn't able to complete it.

02-15-2011, 11:24 AM	#887
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	dola...thanks for trying to work out the formatting martin...when i saw you posted i actually had to go back to the first post to see if you were playing and I didnt notice it.

02-15-2011, 12:04 PM	#892
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Ok, I see how we get to 128 now, so I'm going to assume for now these two are on the up and up.

02-15-2011, 12:12 PM	#894
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	Vote Saldana He was pinging me throughout the day yesterday. He had some weirdness with Lathum D1 that might've been him fooling around as he claimed or he might've changed it when it seemed a sure thing he wasn't going to be lynched (he could've originally been there to support a teammate who had bet Lathum), and I feel like he's been throwing out a lot of suspicions, none of which to this point have been proven justified.

02-15-2011, 12:12 PM	#895
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	It seems that at some point the wolves would pull the BG/scan with one of their numbers to clear either one or two people (depending on if they chose to scan a wolf clean or scanned a villager clean). We've laid off the scanners so far, and I'd say rightfully so, so it could be a ploy. But I'll probably look elsewhere for today.

02-15-2011, 12:15 PM	#897
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I don't mind saldana as a candidate either, to be honest. Knowing that Lathum was a villager and getting a bad vibe from sal is a starting point, though not really a justification. Problem is most of the people outside of the Mario linkups right now have been laying low, so its going to be tough to judge them.

02-15-2011, 12:18 PM	#899
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Is anyone else really bothered by how little info we have? I mean, why wouldn't someone reveal that they spent 1K on Tank Night 1? Or the people who could move money -- I assume those guys are villagers, since that service is useless to the wolves, since they can pool their money when they bid anyway.

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