Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Is anyone else really bothered by how little info we have? I mean, why wouldn't someone reveal that they spent 1K on Tank Night 1? Or the people who could move money -- I assume those guys are villagers, since that service is useless to the wolves, since they can pool their money when they bid anyway.

You'd think a villager would have revealed the money spent on Tank, so my guess is that it was pooled wolves money to protect one of their own from the other family, in case they lost on the kill? Speculation. Lots of speculation in this game. Of course it could be someone that is dead now that bought it, but who knows.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Is anyone else really bothered by how little info we have? I mean, why wouldn't someone reveal that they spent 1K on Tank Night 1? Or the people who could move money -- I assume those guys are villagers, since that service is useless to the wolves, since they can pool their money when they bid anyway.

My suspicion is Lathum bought it N1.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

You'd think a villager would have revealed the money spent on Tank, so my guess is that it was pooled wolves money to protect one of their own from the other family, in case they lost on the kill? Speculation. Lots of speculation in this game. Of course it could be someone that is dead now that bought it, but who knows.

That could be -- maybe one wolf team decided to see how much the other team would bid on the kill, and get Tank as insurance? I find myself really curious about that bid though, since 1K is a lot of money for a Night 1 BG, when there's 18-19 kill possibilities. So I figure that whoever bought the service is either a veteran player who thought they had a good chance of being killed early, or a total noob who has no idea what he's doing.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by JAG

My suspicion is Lathum bought it N1.

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

That could be -- maybe one wolf team decided to see how much the other team would bid on the kill, and get Tank as insurance? I find myself really curious about that bid though, since 1K is a lot of money for a Night 1 BG, when there's 18-19 kill possibilities. So I figure that whoever bought the service is either a veteran player who thought they had a good chance of being killed early, or a total noob who has no idea what he's doing.

Yeah, I thought it was the second of my choices too!

[mauchow]

I used speedeez on both day 1 and 2. Also got the betting service and destiny. Those voting for me are silly. Those suggesting ntn and I need to be checked out and we need to focus on the same lists from yesterday that I brought up and that hoops brought up

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by mauboy1

I used speedeez on both day 1 and 2. Also got the betting service and destiny. Those voting for me are silly. Those suggesting ntn and I need to be checked out and we need to focus on the same lists from yesterday that I brought up and that hoops brought up

Who did you send a message to after ntn?

[Passacaglia]

The Jackal -- it's been a while now since you won. Do you mind letting us know how much it was, or do you still think you need to keep that info secret?

If anyone is curious, 19,479 has been spent so far.

[Passacaglia]

And presumably we started with 19K. Obviously more money was added in from the betting, but that much spent seems really high. Especially considering some people probably died with money on them.

Maybe when Knuckles kills someone, he takes their money?

Maybe when Lefty is hired, he generates money?

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

The Jackal -- it's been a while now since you won. Do you mind letting us know how much it was, or do you still think you need to keep that info secret?

If anyone is curious, 19,479 has been spent so far.

I don't much see the benefit of revealing it unless we're at the point where all of my purchases need to be examined. I think it'd be more beneficial to the wolves right now, but I'm open to listening to an argument why I should let it out.

[The Jackal]

In other words, I don't want the wolves to know how much I have left. Want to make them try and figure it out for themselves, to see if I'm worth a NK or not!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

I don't much see the benefit of revealing it unless we're at the point where all of my purchases need to be examined. I think it'd be more beneficial to the wolves right now, but I'm open to listening to an argument why I should let it out.

You can see my earlier post -- I'm basically trying to get a handle on how much total money people have. I'm not sure exactly what it will tell us, but I'm feeling that there's a lot of info available in this game -- it's just that it's not being divulged.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Yeah, I thought it was the second of my choices too!

I laughed.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

In other words, I don't want the wolves to know how much I have left. Want to make them try and figure it out for themselves, to see if I'm worth a NK or not!

I definitely understand. I'm just a little spazzed out about the fact that over 19K has been spent already.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

You can see my earlier post -- I'm basically trying to get a handle on how much total money people have. I'm not sure exactly what it will tell us, but I'm feeling that there's a lot of info available in this game -- it's just that it's not being divulged.

I think it's pretty clear the wolves bought Lefty the first couple times he was available, since we don't know what he does and since the dead can't confirm their totals, I don't think we can come up with a great picture of overall cash.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I definitely understand. I'm just a little spazzed out about the fact that over 19K has been spent already.

If it helps you, it makes sense to me. I think a lot of villagers have probably been maxing their money when they've won a bet to make sure they stayed alive and/or got some info out there. It should be interesting to see if the winning bets go down - though it really ends up depending on if anyone predicted the vote correctly. JAG should be rolling in it today.

[The Jackal]

Did Chief ever say what the other option for the betting parlor was?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Did Chief ever say what the other option for the betting parlor was?

I don't think he did, but maybe mau can tell us.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

JAG should be rolling in it today.

huh?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town

Black Market Services -
Dante the Loan Shark - Need somebody to do some dirty work, he knows who's desperate.

Only the Mafia can bid on Black Market Services.

Please note the list carefully before you bid, some services aren't always available. Bids are due by 9 p.m. EST.

For the current page.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

huh?

Didn't he say he bet on CF yesterday?

[Chief Rum]

I think it's time for me to be more open about some things. But it will probably be a long post, and I don't have time right at this moment to write it out. I am going to finish my file and go to lunch and then come back and post. I would figure it will be around 1 p.m. my time.

I am the Casino Owner.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I think it's time for me to be more open about some things. But it will probably be a long post, and I don't have time right at this moment to write it out. I am going to finish my file and go to lunch and then come back and post. I would figure it will be around 1 p.m. my time.

I am the Casino Owner.

Cool. I'm guessing you generate money somehow, which would explain bidding $1K on Kalustian.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

Didn't he say he bet on CF yesterday?

Looks like he did. For some reason, I thought he bet on CR. Well, hopefully he's good!

[Zinto]

I am with Jag on his suspicion of Saldana.

Vote Saldana

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Cool. I'm guessing you generate money somehow, which would explain bidding $1K on Kalustian.

While we're talking about Kalustian, I'm a bit disturbed by the $1001 bid there last night. This is not a vanilla villager bid. It's a bid by the wolves, or by someone who either won a bet, stole some money, or won a bet. But honestly, this service doesn't seem to have that much value, but someone thought they needed it enough to bid over 1K on it. I honestly can't imagine a villager wanting this service that much. Did anyone bid over 500 on it, and want to explain why? My best guess is that the wolves are going to try to cash in today.

[Passacaglia]

Wait, the service tells you what the bets were yesterday. So if the wolves bid on Kalustian last night, that means they probably tried to cash in last night.

[tyketime]

Hells yes! That's my first wolf kill... ever!

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Thanks Martin! For those playing, the others that Martin didn't include weren't eligible to bet bet on every day, which is why he wasn't able to complete it.

Pass - I'm sorry, but I don't understand this. Can you please explain this a little better for me? The triple negative is throwing me for a loop...

[Passacaglia]

Sure. When Martin fixed my formatting, he omitted my last three rows, which cover Lefty, Graceland Weddings, and City Hall. The reason for that is that those services weren't up for bid every day, so Martin couldn't figure out which days they go with.

FTR,
Lefty was won for 1000 on Night 1 and 1000 on Night 2, not available Night 3.
Graceland was not available Night 1, won for 100 Night 2, won for 150 Night 3.
City Hall was not available Nights 1 and 2, won for 251 Night 3.

[mckerney]

Vote Daddy Torgo

With hoops night killed and cleared in the process I think it may have been a defensive kill, especially with the ability hoops had.

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Sure. When Martin fixed my formatting, he omitted my last three rows, which cover Lefty, Graceland Weddings, and City Hall. The reason for that is that those services weren't up for bid every day, so Martin couldn't figure out which days they go with.

FTR,
Lefty was won for 1000 on Night 1 and 1000 on Night 2, not available Night 3.
Graceland was not available Night 1, won for 100 Night 2, won for 150 Night 3.
City Hall was not available Nights 1 and 2, won for 251 Night 3.

Ah... I got it now. Thanks!

[Darth Vilus]

i hate to vote and run but im running super late.

vote mckerney

same as yesterday

[Autumn]

Vote count as of post #931

Daddy Torgo (2) - ntndeacon 866, mckerney 929
mauboy1 (1) - passacaglia 880
saldana (2) - JAG 894, zinto 924
mckerney (1) - darth vilus 931

[saldana]

obviously this is subject to change since i have two votes on me already, but since i have a root canal scheduled at 5:30 and dont know when i will be done, i want to get my vote out...i understand being new and all, but when youre so quiet that i dont even remember you are the game, that smells to me like a senior wolf telling a first timer to be as UTR as humanly possible, so i am gonna go in a new direction today

his voting for mckerney every day and leaving it there all day yesterday even after it lost relevance looks like someone trying to hide as well

vote tytketime

[tyketime]

Originally Posted by saldana

obviously this is subject to change since i have two votes on me already, but since i have a root canal scheduled at 5:30 and dont know when i will be done, i want to get my vote out...i understand being new and all, but when youre so quiet that i dont even remember you are the game, that smells to me like a senior wolf telling a first timer to be as UTR as humanly possible, so i am gonna go in a new direction today

his voting for mckerney every day and leaving it there all day yesterday even after it lost relevance looks like someone trying to hide as well

vote tytketime

Huh?
I voted Lathum day1, Darth Vilus day2, Mckerney day 3.

I suppose you also didn't see my post here where I told everyone I've been sick in bed. I missed work again today (NOT a great thing when you are a consultant), but at least my fever has gone away. I left my vote there because I made a vote, hung around for 10 minutes or so, responded to mauboy, and then signed back out. I've only logged back in today in the past 30-40 minutes.

As for being "counseled", Lathum had agreed to help me when I signed up for the other game, but since we both signed up for this one... I've been on my own.

[JAG]

Originally Posted by saldana

obviously this is subject to change since i have two votes on me already, but since i have a root canal scheduled at 5:30 and dont know when i will be done, i want to get my vote out...i understand being new and all, but when youre so quiet that i dont even remember you are the game, that smells to me like a senior wolf telling a first timer to be as UTR as humanly possible, so i am gonna go in a new direction today

his voting for mckerney every day and leaving it there all day yesterday even after it lost relevance looks like someone trying to hide as well

vote tytketime

Sorry to hear about the root canal, hope it all goes smoothly.

Can I ask, why Tyketime as opposed to the numerous other UTR players (cougarfreak, Zinto, DT I would include without looking at the full list, sorry if I forgot someone)?

[cougarfreak]

I may be out late tonight, going to a museum exhibit. With my limited experience, I think hoopsguy was taken out because he revealed his role. I look and see who was on him from yesterday, and I see DT, and saldana. For now I'm going with DT, but I may be back later to look back and see if anything points the other way.

vote Daddy Torgo

[The Jackal]

For now I'm going to go with mckerney. Getting the same vibe I got from him as crimson. Though I doubt they coordinated their bet/vote on Lathum if they were on the same wolf team, could certainly be on opposite ones. If it seems like 2 candidates is better I'll consolidate later if need be.

VOTE MCKERNEY

[Autumn]

Vote count as of post #937

Daddy Torgo (3) - ntndeacon 866, mckerney 929, cougarfreak 936
mauboy1 (1) - passacaglia 880
saldana (2) - JAG 894, zinto 924
mckerney (2) - darth vilus 931, the jackal 937
tyketime (1) - saldana 933

[mauchow]

And add in that mckerney didn't even try defending himself yesterday. He eventually got phased out in the talks and didn't matter. As I said yesterday my vote is going on mckerney.

vote mckerney

[saldana]

Originally Posted by JAG

Sorry to hear about the root canal, hope it all goes smoothly.

Can I ask, why Tyketime as opposed to the numerous other UTR players (cougarfreak, Zinto, DT I would include without looking at the full list, sorry if I forgot someone)?

i thought alot about Zinto, but the timing of the vote placement yesterday was what made me lean away from him, even though he would be the perfect UTR wolf.

cougar might be a bit of a meta situation for me but i know he was having a hard time grasping some of the mechanics in the only other game he played in because i was the GM and he pm'd me a bunch of times asking how things worked and what different things people were saying meant...i just assumed the new set of mechanics were equally as confusing for him

i will openly admit that i didnt see Tyketime's post about being sick (which he refered to above), so my suspicion is much lower with that piece of information

unvote tyketime

[saldana]

dola, i also apparently confused tyke and mauboy, who is the guy that has a hard on for mckerney

vote mauboy1

[saldana]

dola...he got on crimson very late last night (6 minutes to deadline) "to avoid any goofy stuff"...which to me translates into a wolf jumping onto another wolf after the question was pretty much already decided so he could say "look..i put the nail in the coffin" even though the coffin was already buried.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, as I said before, I am the Casino Owner. I win with the villagers, but I also had a win condition to outlast the Gambler. I did not know the Gambler was hoopsguy, but now that he's gone, I don't see why I should keep quiet about being the Casin Owner.

I had one ability as the Casino Owner: I could fix the lynch one time per game to one of my own choosing. Yes, that was me on Friday night (Night Two), when I lynched PackerFanatic.

I would like to tell you I was earnestly aiding the village there, but reality is, it was only in the long sense (in that more money means more skills for the village means village closer to victory). I did it purely for profit reasons. I didn't know if PF was a wolf, although I hoped he was. I knew that roles were essentially bought in this game, so I wasn't afraid of offing a seer. I picked PF for my bet because he didn't draw much attention on Day One, so that when I duked to him, I probably wouldn't be splitting the proceeds with anyone.

And that's basically been my goal: to acquire money, so I could spend it on the village's behalf.

Pass, I spent all my money on Day One on the betting parlor because I knew I had the bet-lynch strategy in my backpocket to get more money. As I said at the time, I felt that the betting parlor might reveal trends that would show us some wolves, and surely enough, the voted-Lathum strategy led us to CF.

Since I had no money Day Two (having spent all of mine Day One), I did not make any bids that day, but then I cashed in with the PF move that night. I spent most of that money last night, getting the wedding chapel, the courier service, the escort service and, again, the betting parlor.

Now that I have done the wedding chapel, I know what it brings you, which makes me curious about who won it on Day Two. I now have PM rights with another player. I am not going to say who that is.

I investigated hoops' pocketbook last night (escort service). I was told he had $849 when he bought it.

I chose someone to send a message, too, but I have not sent it yet. I have to by tonight's deadline. There are other things I know I don't feel should be public knowledge yet.

And, yes, Pass, that was me with the $1001 bid on the betting parlor. If you knew what the other option was, you would bid high, too. I am not going to say what it is, but I do think it's valuable enough to keep out of the hands of the wolves.

Other things of note: I was the PM target of mauboy1 with his other courier service purchase. He told me some things about his interaction with ntndeacon, and asked me to be aware of it, in case he was killed that night. Nothing he nor ntndeacon has said has strayed from the truth as I know it. They could be playing an elaborate game as wolves, but I highly doubt it.

I spent most of my winnings last night. I plan to spend most of the rest tonight, which is less than I spent last night, so I doubt I will win too many services.

This means we're back to not knowing what the tie mechanism, BTW.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Sorry, PF, it was just business.

[Zinto]

I am not going to deny that I have been very quiet when I came into the game hoping to discuss more. I only have read the Watchman werewolf game so I am struggling analyzing votes or anything else for that matter.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by saldana

dola...he got on crimson very late last night (6 minutes to deadline) "to avoid any goofy stuff"...which to me translates into a wolf jumping onto another wolf after the question was pretty much already decided so he could say "look..i put the nail in the coffin" even though the coffin was already buried.

I was the first to announce my intentions which was mckerney and crimson so you are incorrect on your assessment. All you are doing is bringing attention upon yourself which as of yesterday you were #4 on my list behind crimson, mckerney, and dt. As a villager my wolf radar is pinging big time on you. The wolves were in complete control of the game and now they r losing the grip.

I bet the rest of the wolves are within this list... saldana, mckerney, dt, pass, cougar, zinto.

[Zinto]

Also I won the wedding chapel on day 2. I decided not to use it because I am not hundred percent sure who is and is not a wolf and did not want to be led around by a wolf.

[JAG]

Congrats on your win condition. FYI, the licensing service that was available yesterday (tax / licenses, whatever) probably reveals to whoever bought it who is "married", something to keep in mind.

[JAG]

Ok with that info, I am feeling very good about ntn and mauboy. I'm not completely anti-mckerney, but I feelblots strongly about sal and DT being wolves.

[JAG]

That is, feel more strongly that sal and DT are wolves.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I investigated hoops' pocketbook last night (escort service). I was told he had $849 when he bought it.

Funny because I won the escort bid last night..