Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN - Page 7

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 10:36 AM

dola- not sure what the seer should do. If they die the power was wasted and they take the info to the grave.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 10:37 AM

double dola- not sure why I touched a nerve with Sal, and I apologize to him if I did.

I've known him half my life, and when he says "whatever" to me he is really saying F@*k You.

mckerney · 02-11-2011, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I doubt the wolves would come out and claim a wolf is acyually a clean player. It would result in 2 wolves dying when that info comes out at some point.

I think if they did buy the seer, which I doubt, they just will sit on it and not use it.

One of my fears with with a wolf buying a seer is if they would announce who they scanned as clean. If we later find out the seer was a wolf we may end up wasting a day going after the person they cleared. Or a wolf seer giving us a member of the other group of wolves, it would be good to remove one but would probably make it easier for the wolf seer to survive lynching.

That's all on top of us just losing a chance to catch them.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 10:49 AM

I see what you are saying, I just think it unlikely the mob buys the seer this early wneh chances are the seer doesn't hit on a wolf. I think they wait until we have lost some villagers and the odds of a seer hitting a mobster are greater.

mckerney · 02-11-2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola- not sure what the seer should do. If they die the power was wasted and they take the info to the grave.

I'm conflicted on that too. On one hand, it would be good to know we could clear someone. On the other they have just told the wolves that they spent $778 and probably won't be as much of a threat to win an important bid while we haven't learned the identity of a wolf.

hoopsguy · 02-11-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I doubt the wolves would come out and claim a wolf is acyually a clean player. It would result in 2 wolves dying when that info comes out at some point.

I think if they did buy the seer, which I doubt, they just will sit on it and not use it.

I would guess they would use it to see if they could find the other wolves. Unless I missed it in my read of the rules earlier, I don't think they know who the other group is and I'm expecting they want to know how to target the other wolf group.

Passacaglia · 02-11-2011, 11:00 AM

I feel like there's so much doubt in the seer that it's almost worthless. Unless there's some service that allows us to know someone is good, wouldn't we not be able to trust whoever bought that power until he dies and his role is revealed?

saldana · 02-11-2011, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

double dola- not sure why I touched a nerve with Sal, and I apologize to him if I did.

I've known him half my life, and when he says "whatever" to me he is really saying F@*k You.

no....not at all....it really was whatever....i thought your reasoning flawed and i am not going to get wound up about it...if i wanted to say F@#k you to you, i would simply have said "hey lathum, F&#k you!"

ntndeacon · 02-11-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

I'm conflicted on that too. On one hand, it would be good to know we could clear someone. On the other they have just told the wolves that they spent $778 and probably won't be as much of a threat to win an important bid while we haven't learned the identity of a wolf.

however they (the wolves) do know how much was spent. And it is an easy assumption to guess that that particular service will contue to cost a good bit.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 11:12 AM

just when you think you know someone

ntndeacon · 02-11-2011, 11:14 AM

I am assuming the wolves would use the seer if they won it. aren't there 2 separate mafias. I am playing under the assumption that they do not know who are in the other group

JAG · 02-11-2011, 11:17 AM

I feel like the seer discussion is distracting us from finding wolves, so I'll just reveal that I purchased it and Chief Rum is a Vegas Resident so we can move along.

mckerney · 02-11-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

however they (the wolves) do know how much was spent. And it is an easy assumption to guess that that particular service will contue to cost a good bit.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, this post tells us how much the winning bid for each service was. So if the wolves know who had the winning bid on the PI, they know that person spent $778 last night. It doesn't mean they know if they won the bet that day though.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 11:19 AM

O,k, well there you have it.

Any reason not to lynch Jag? We can see if he is telling the truth, clear CR, and if he is a villager no great loss since he is now pretty much broke?

JAG · 02-11-2011, 11:27 AM

It's fine by me if you really want the confirmation. As you pointed out I'm basically vanilla now. But it's also a waste because it doesn't get us closer to finding a wolf when I cone up villager. Also, if the wolves NK CR afterwards, what will you have gained? Let them do the work for the village.

mckerney · 02-11-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

It's fine by me if you really want the confirmation. As you pointed out I'm basically vanilla now. But it's also a waste because it doesn't get us closer to finding a wolf when I cone up villager. Also, if the wolves NK CR afterwards, what will you have gained? Let them do the work for the village.

Yeah, the chance of having you and Chief Rum dead at the end of the next night concerns me a bit about this plan.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Yeah, the chance of having you and Chief Rum dead at the end of the next night concerns me a bit about this plan.

BG protect CR

PackerFanatic · 02-11-2011, 11:33 AM

Unless the mafia get the BG first. I think at least for the time being, we need to trust JAG.

mauchow · 02-11-2011, 11:35 AM

Interesting read so far. Hmmm.

What I'd like to know is which service is better.. the Hooker, err I mean escort Service or the showgirl.

Passacaglia · 02-11-2011, 11:39 AM

Maybe we can use JAG for a day or two more before we find out what he is? If everyone agrees not to bid on the seer, we can let JAG have it again and scan another player. If this continues for a few days, we'll get some good info from him. Of course, if he's a wolf, we can't trust any of it. And the wolves could also outbid JAG for the seer stuff. But there's a service that lets you find out who won the bids, right? Hey, if that's the case, can't we find out who won the bid on the night-kill service?

Passacaglia · 02-11-2011, 11:40 AM

Oh never mind. I think there was just something that could tell you who everyone bet on. Ah, well.

mckerney · 02-11-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Oh never mind. I think there was just something that could tell you who everyone bet on. Ah, well.

Could that be what Lefty does? The acquisitions description is rather vague.

hoopsguy · 02-11-2011, 11:47 AM

I'm glad JAG came out with the information for exactly the reasons he stated. In a day with revolving seers, we just need to modify the format of our trust lists a little bit.

Day 1: JAG clears Chief Rum

So the trust list isn't "CR = Trusted" but instead creates relationships between players. IE - if CR is bad that looks very bad for JAG.

JAG · 02-11-2011, 11:48 AM

One thing I think is interesting in the voting is the group on Darth Vilus (from my perspective knowing my and CR's alliegence). The last two votes on him, not counting Lathum who switched for self-defense, were known villagers. The first voter was a villager. ntn switched to Darth to bring him to 2 and hoops added a vote to make it 3. If I think the wolves would spread out, one of those two would be a good candidate. But again, that's only my perspective, the rest of you have to trust my intentions without 100% assurance.

Passacaglia · 02-11-2011, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mckerney

Could that be what Lefty does? The acquisitions description is rather vague.

I think it's vague because more description was given in Post 113. I think he lets you steal money from another player.

Chief Rum · 02-11-2011, 11:51 AM

Well, I like that. Thanks, JAG.

I can't vouch for JAG's allegiance, but he's certainly on point with mine.

mauchow · 02-11-2011, 11:52 AM

But remember lathums vote did not change anything.. he just made it a tie with j23 instead of Darth. It was a weird move by lathim I thought.. pointless and he somewhat explained himself but he switched the voting around with his vote imo.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 11:53 AM

hmm

so there was only one kill last night, but there was a winning bid for the night kill. Does that mean the mob has to bid for kills?

hoopsguy · 02-11-2011, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JAG

One thing I think is interesting in the voting is the group on Darth Vilus (from my perspective knowing my and CR's alliegence). The last two votes on him, not counting Lathum who switched for self-defense, were known villagers. The first voter was a villager. ntn switched to Darth to bring him to 2 and hoops added a vote to make it 3. If I think the wolves would spread out, one of those two would be a good candidate. But again, that's only my perspective, the rest of you have to trust my intentions without 100% assurance.

The wolves almost certainly spread it out, but not in the way we usually think of it. With two groups, that should not be able to coordinate with each other, they had two separate agendas. So lets say we had one wolf among the 3 candidates - if one was a wolf then there would be a couple of wolves actively saving him and a couple of others just trying to spread their votes out in the usual manner.

hoopsguy · 02-11-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

hmm

so there was only one kill last night, but there was a winning bid for the night kill. Does that mean the mob has to bid for kills?

I assumed this was the case, since we don't expect to see two night kills per night. Maybe they rotate between nights, but having to buy the kill seems like the more likely scenario in my eyes. Especially if they can pool money.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mauboy1

But remember lathums vote did not change anything.. he just made it a tie with j23 instead of Darth. It was a weird move by lathim I thought.. pointless and he somewhat explained himself but he switched the voting around with his vote imo.

I gave a hurried explination of this last night from a traffic light so I'll try to give a better one.

My switch was far from pointless. At the time Darth had not yet voted and my vote was on him. If I leave it that way it is 100% DV is going to vote me, he has to.

By switching to J23 it gives DV the option of voting me or J23, so I decrease the odds of getting a lynch vote by 50%, hardly pointless.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I assumed this was the case, since we don't expect to see two night kills per night. Maybe they rotate between nights, but having to buy the kill seems like the more likely scenario in my eyes. Especially if they can pool money.

Well then the question is did the pool money, or did the winning bidder have a vote on J23 and use that extra money. If so we should be looking at the J23 voters.

mauchow · 02-11-2011, 12:15 PM

Right lathum.. and you had to get going too so u weren't able to see the results of the following votes. My apologies.

tyketime · 02-11-2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So lets say we had one wolf among the 3 candidates - if one was a wolf then there would be a couple of wolves actively saving him and a couple of others just trying to spread their votes out in the usual manner.

Well, since we know there are two families, and assuming as was mentioned above that they can't communicate with each other - I don't think we'd see 3-4 wolves fitting that pattern, right? They wouldn't have the numbers.

But I did analyze the pattern in the voting recap. The last four unvotes and then votes switched target from DV/Lathum tie to a J23 runaway. Three of those votes (mauboy1, Lathum, PackerFanatic) all came within a seven post grouping. If a couple of them were working together, then they could insure Lathum and/or DV lived to see another day.

(230) mauboy1 unvotes mckerny, votes J23: Darth Vilus 6 Lathum 6 J23 5 Chief Rum 1
(234) Lathum unvotes Darth Vilus, votes J23: J23 6 Lathum 6 Darth Vilus 5 Chief Rum 1
(236) PackerFanatic unvotes Chief Rum, votes J23: J23 7 Lathum 6 Darth Vilus 5
(257) saldana unvotes Lathum, votes J23: J23 8 Lathum 5 Darth Vilus 5

So I'm wondering if one of those two is a wolf...

tyketime · 02-11-2011, 12:40 PM

dola - I will be out for a couple of hours, back for a couple, and then unavailable until after the deadline.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 12:49 PM

Tyke- I think it is great you are doing analysis and thinking along those lines. One thing I will say is that it is pretty rare for wolves to coordinate like that to save someone close to the deadline because at some point the dots will be connected. It is better to just cut them lose.

The Jackal · 02-11-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm glad JAG came out with the information for exactly the reasons he stated. In a day with revolving seers, we just need to modify the format of our trust lists a little bit.

Day 1: JAG clears Chief Rum

So the trust list isn't "CR = Trusted" but instead creates relationships between players. IE - if CR is bad that looks very bad for JAG.

This is exactly what we do with seer reveals. It's a case where unless someone comes out and says "this guy scanned as a wolf", we leave it alone until later in the game, when the info will be easier to digest. Not crystal clear, but easier. We should go after others at the moment, not JAG.

saldana · 02-11-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Tyke- I think it is great you are doing analysis and thinking along those lines. One thing I will say is that it is pretty rare for wolves to coordinate like that to save someone close to the deadline because at some point the dots will be connected. It is better to just cut them lose.

under normal circumstances, i would agree with this, but if you put it into the context of two wolves waiting for Darth (the third wolf) to show up and be one of the two moving votes, it makes alot more sense...darth never showed, so they had to either watch him go down on day one, or both move their votes to save him and hope to just disguise it as day one nonsense.

The Jackal · 02-11-2011, 01:24 PM

Making me lean towards voting Darth because of what it might show us in the day one recount.

Autumn · 02-11-2011, 01:39 PM

Catching back up on PMs, etc.

I know these deadlines have been tough on people. Would it work better to have an earlier deadline, like 6 pm EST or something, and then have night last only to 9 or 10 pm? So everyone has three or four hours to get their night actions in and bets?

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by saldana

under normal circumstances, i would agree with this, but if you put it into the context of two wolves waiting for Darth (the third wolf) to show up and be one of the two moving votes, it makes alot more sense...darth never showed, so they had to either watch him go down on day one, or both move their votes to save him and hope to just disguise it as day one nonsense.

If I am in this position as a wolf I let him crash and burn

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Catching back up on PMs, etc.

I know these deadlines have been tough on people. Would it work better to have an earlier deadline, like 6 pm EST or something, and then have night last only to 9 or 10 pm? So everyone has three or four hours to get their night actions in and bets?

I think this would be really hard for west coasters.

Chief Rum · 02-11-2011, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think this would be really hard for west coasters.

Yup.

Autumn · 02-11-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think this would be really hard for west coasters.

Well, that's one idea out there. Basically i'm asking for those who have trouble wtih the deadlines to tell me what might work better. I'd normally do the night deadline shortly after the day deadline, but I want people time to decide what to bet, and how to use their services. I'm wide open to ideas for how to structure that for you guys.

Autumn · 02-11-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

Below are the services you can bid on for Day 2:

Tank Wallace, Professional Bodyguard - hire Tank for protection
Mario Juarez, Private Investigator - Mario will get the dirt on anyone you want
Cassie's Escort Agency - there's lots of things to do in Vegas at night
Knuckles Cassini - word is that if you want someone taken care of, Knuckles will do your dirty work
Destiny, Vegas Showgirl - everyone in town spends some time with Destiny in their lap, for a price
Speedeez Courier Service - you need to send a message, Speedeez will get it there
Kalustian Betting Parlor - This bookie's got his fingers in every bet in town
24 Hour Check Cashing - When you need to move money in a hurry
Lefty Fingers, Acquisitions - Lefty has his fingers in every pocket in town
Graceland Wedding Chapel - Vegas is the perfect place to fall in love, quickly

Repeating this on the current page.

The Jackal · 02-11-2011, 01:52 PM

I think the night and morning deadlines are good, maybe you can push the morning back to 10 AM EST for west coasters? Not really sure, as I said it works fine for me. I definitely like having the whole night to get orders in since it allows for evening activities.

Autumn · 02-11-2011, 01:53 PM

Vote count as of post #345

Mckerney (1) - mauboy1 290
Darth Vilus (1) - Packerfanatic 299

Chief Rum · 02-11-2011, 01:54 PM

I got my PM from the service I won, and I don't see a point in keeping the info secret. I bid for and won the services of the betting parlor. I had a couple ways to go with it, and I chose to receive a list of everyone's bets for the lynch from yesterday (so what they submitted in the Night 0 phase).

I actually think this is the only phase that info might be useful, because we didn't know about the betting parlor at that point. The wolves may have been less inhibited in making their choices for betting during that phase than they would be now, since they now know their choices might bee revealed and used as a way to link one another.

Hopefully this formats okay. The Bettor is on the right, who he bet for the Day One lynch is on the left. Here goes:

Code:

Packer Fanatic:			Chief Rum
JAG:				Darth Vilus
DaddyTorgo:			Lathum
Saldana:			The Jackal
Danny:				Daddy Torgo
The Jackal:			J23
Zinto:				Lathum
Crimson Fox:			Lathum
Darth Vilus:			CrimsonFox
Chief Rum:			ntndeacon
Mauboy1:		ntndeacon
Passacaglia:			Lathum
Lathum:				ntndeacon
J23:				(No Bet)
Tyketime	:		Lathum
Mckerney	:		Lathum
Hoopsguy:			Passacaglia
cougarfreak:			(No Bet)
Ntndeacon:			(No Bet)

This also means I have no money, so I guess the wolves can kill me now if they want--they won't be depriving us of any funds.

Lathum · 02-11-2011, 01:55 PM

For me I'll just have to remember to place my bet and use any winning services before I go to bed.

The Jackal · 02-11-2011, 01:56 PM

Thanks for painting a huge target on my back, Chief!

02-11-2011, 11:51 AM	#326
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Well, I like that. Thanks, JAG. I can't vouch for JAG's allegiance, but he's certainly on point with mine. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-11-2011, 01:54 PM	#348
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I got my PM from the service I won, and I don't see a point in keeping the info secret. I bid for and won the services of the betting parlor. I had a couple ways to go with it, and I chose to receive a list of everyone's bets for the lynch from yesterday (so what they submitted in the Night 0 phase). I actually think this is the only phase that info might be useful, because we didn't know about the betting parlor at that point. The wolves may have been less inhibited in making their choices for betting during that phase than they would be now, since they now know their choices might bee revealed and used as a way to link one another. Hopefully this formats okay. The Bettor is on the right, who he bet for the Day One lynch is on the left. Here goes: Code: Packer Fanatic: Chief Rum JAG: Darth Vilus DaddyTorgo: Lathum Saldana: The Jackal Danny: Daddy Torgo The Jackal: J23 Zinto: Lathum Crimson Fox: Lathum Darth Vilus: CrimsonFox Chief Rum: ntndeacon Mauboy1: ntndeacon Passacaglia: Lathum Lathum: ntndeacon J23: (No Bet) Tyketime : Lathum Mckerney : Lathum Hoopsguy: Passacaglia cougarfreak: (No Bet) Ntndeacon: (No Bet) This also means I have no money, so I guess the wolves can kill me now if they want--they won't be depriving us of any funds. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

02-11-2011, 10:36 AM	#301
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- not sure what the seer should do. If they die the power was wasted and they take the info to the grave.

02-11-2011, 10:37 AM	#302
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	double dola- not sure why I touched a nerve with Sal, and I apologize to him if I did. I've known him half my life, and when he says "whatever" to me he is really saying F@*k You.

02-11-2011, 10:49 AM	#304
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I see what you are saying, I just think it unlikely the mob buys the seer this early wneh chances are the seer doesn't hit on a wolf. I think they wait until we have lost some villagers and the odds of a seer hitting a mobster are greater.

02-11-2011, 11:00 AM	#307
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I feel like there's so much doubt in the seer that it's almost worthless. Unless there's some service that allows us to know someone is good, wouldn't we not be able to trust whoever bought that power until he dies and his role is revealed?

02-11-2011, 11:12 AM	#310
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	just when you think you know someone

02-11-2011, 11:14 AM	#311
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am assuming the wolves would use the seer if they won it. aren't there 2 separate mafias. I am playing under the assumption that they do not know who are in the other group

02-11-2011, 11:17 AM	#312
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	I feel like the seer discussion is distracting us from finding wolves, so I'll just reveal that I purchased it and Chief Rum is a Vegas Resident so we can move along.

02-11-2011, 11:19 AM	#314
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	O,k, well there you have it. Any reason not to lynch Jag? We can see if he is telling the truth, clear CR, and if he is a villager no great loss since he is now pretty much broke?

02-11-2011, 11:27 AM	#315
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	It's fine by me if you really want the confirmation. As you pointed out I'm basically vanilla now. But it's also a waste because it doesn't get us closer to finding a wolf when I cone up villager. Also, if the wolves NK CR afterwards, what will you have gained? Let them do the work for the village.

02-11-2011, 11:33 AM	#318
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Unless the mafia get the BG first. I think at least for the time being, we need to trust JAG.

02-11-2011, 11:35 AM	#319
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Interesting read so far. Hmmm. What I'd like to know is which service is better.. the Hooker, err I mean escort Service or the showgirl.

02-11-2011, 11:39 AM	#320
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Maybe we can use JAG for a day or two more before we find out what he is? If everyone agrees not to bid on the seer, we can let JAG have it again and scan another player. If this continues for a few days, we'll get some good info from him. Of course, if he's a wolf, we can't trust any of it. And the wolves could also outbid JAG for the seer stuff. But there's a service that lets you find out who won the bids, right? Hey, if that's the case, can't we find out who won the bid on the night-kill service?

02-11-2011, 11:40 AM	#321
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Oh never mind. I think there was just something that could tell you who everyone bet on. Ah, well.

02-11-2011, 11:47 AM	#323
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm glad JAG came out with the information for exactly the reasons he stated. In a day with revolving seers, we just need to modify the format of our trust lists a little bit. Day 1: JAG clears Chief Rum So the trust list isn't "CR = Trusted" but instead creates relationships between players. IE - if CR is bad that looks very bad for JAG.

02-11-2011, 11:48 AM	#324
JAG Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN	One thing I think is interesting in the voting is the group on Darth Vilus (from my perspective knowing my and CR's alliegence). The last two votes on him, not counting Lathum who switched for self-defense, were known villagers. The first voter was a villager. ntn switched to Darth to bring him to 2 and hoops added a vote to make it 3. If I think the wolves would spread out, one of those two would be a good candidate. But again, that's only my perspective, the rest of you have to trust my intentions without 100% assurance.

02-11-2011, 11:52 AM	#327
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	But remember lathums vote did not change anything.. he just made it a tie with j23 instead of Darth. It was a weird move by lathim I thought.. pointless and he somewhat explained himself but he switched the voting around with his vote imo.

02-11-2011, 11:53 AM	#328
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	hmm so there was only one kill last night, but there was a winning bid for the night kill. Does that mean the mob has to bid for kills?

02-11-2011, 12:15 PM	#333
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Right lathum.. and you had to get going too so u weren't able to see the results of the following votes. My apologies.

02-11-2011, 12:40 PM	#335
tyketime College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	dola - I will be out for a couple of hours, back for a couple, and then unavailable until after the deadline.

02-11-2011, 12:49 PM	#336
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Tyke- I think it is great you are doing analysis and thinking along those lines. One thing I will say is that it is pretty rare for wolves to coordinate like that to save someone close to the deadline because at some point the dots will be connected. It is better to just cut them lose.

02-11-2011, 01:24 PM	#339
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Making me lean towards voting Darth because of what it might show us in the day one recount.

02-11-2011, 01:39 PM	#340
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Catching back up on PMs, etc. I know these deadlines have been tough on people. Would it work better to have an earlier deadline, like 6 pm EST or something, and then have night last only to 9 or 10 pm? So everyone has three or four hours to get their night actions in and bets?

02-11-2011, 01:52 PM	#346
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I think the night and morning deadlines are good, maybe you can push the morning back to 10 AM EST for west coasters? Not really sure, as I said it works fine for me. I definitely like having the whole night to get orders in since it allows for evening activities.

02-11-2011, 01:53 PM	#347
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Vote count as of post #345 Mckerney (1) - mauboy1 290 Darth Vilus (1) - Packerfanatic 299

02-11-2011, 01:55 PM	#349
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	For me I'll just have to remember to place my bet and use any winning services before I go to bed.

02-11-2011, 01:56 PM	#350
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Thanks for painting a huge target on my back, Chief!

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