Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five - Page 9

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

The guy who I talked to last night (AlanT) has not indicated that I tried to harm him.

The guy who attacked me last night (Swaggs) has not indicated that I harmed him while defending myself.

The guy who slept the night away (Fouts) indicated that I tried to kill him.

But I'm the guy you sacrifice in the 50/50 decision

I still don't know your intentions with me last night. This morning started I was very suspicious of you, and knowing my safety the fact that -nothing- happened is not a suprise to me. I came out this morning curious to how you would defend yourself to that.

I didn't even know you had a bigger issue on your hands to defend yourself to today. I can buy that you have a public role and a private role. Even with that information, you seemed to have been a busy bee last night.

You are the line that connects all of the dots, and that is why I am secure in choosing you first in the 50/50.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 06:54 PM

Alan, I'm very disappointed that you can't vouch for me after last night. My PM let me know that I definitely could count you among the devout in our Council and left me feeling very strongly about your loyalties. I would have expected some level of reciprocity in the PM messages that I guess wasn't there.

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Alan, what do you think Hoops was trying to do last night, in regards to your experience?

Well.. if he is a bad guy, and does have a public role and a private role.. I am guessing he was using his public role to size me up and determine what type of threat I was going to be to him since I likely would be pushing him again day 2.

If for whatever chance he is a good guy, I think he was trying to confirm what I said yesterday that I am among the few devout who shall go down fighting for our belief.

I baited hoops alot today not knowing who his third party was, hoping he would point at someone who I have 100% trust in.. but unfortunatly he pointed at Fouts who I have no outside knowledge of. So while it set us up in a 50/50 here, its not as damning to me as it would have been if he pointed someone I trusted completely out.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 06:55 PM

Furthermore, there is no line between our communication and the encounter with Fouts/Swaggs. Any attempts to make one are just helping you make a wrong decision.

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, I'm very disappointed that you can't vouch for me after last night. My PM let me know that I definitely could count you among the devout in our Council and left me feeling very strongly about your loyalties. I would have expected some level of reciprocity in the PM messages that I guess wasn't there.

I had nothing but complete and total neutrality in the message I received. In fact it was so neutral that I sent a PM back before you even showed up this morning asking for clarification. I still never received any further feeling one way or another so to me it was left intentionally neutral.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Well.. if he is a bad guy, and does have a public role and a private role.. I am guessing he was using his public role to size me up and determine what type of threat I was going to be to him since I likely would be pushing him again day 2.

If for whatever chance he is a good guy, I think he was trying to confirm what I said yesterday that I am among the few devout who shall go down fighting for our belief.

This is not what I was looking for at all, and I don't understand what you mean by all this. What I mean is, do you think he was trying to convert you, scanning you, or something else? What specific Werewolf activity was he perpetrating.

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

This is not what I was looking for at all, and I don't understand what you mean by all this. What I mean is, do you think he was trying to convert you, scanning you, or something else? What specific Werewolf activity was he perpetrating.

First thing this morning after reading my PM I assumed he failed to convert me.

Then as the day progressed I have more of a feeling he was trying to scan me (to determine my corruptibility)

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:10 PM

Catching up on things.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

First thing this morning after reading my PM I assumed he failed to convert me.

Then as the day progressed I have more of a feeling he was trying to scan me (to determine my corruptibility)

Thanks. I'm very uncomfortable with all this, but I don't have an alternate explanation.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:13 PM

Have I somehow lost points with non-Orzhov here for not making my accusation and disappearing for hours at a time like Fouts has?

KWhit basically issued a hit-and-run vote on me. At least Fouts had some reason to do so ... getting in the middle of the discussion between Swaggs and I was not going to help him out at all.

Saldana has basically acknowledged that my actions are consistent with a powerful role in the game - although I would argue that my role is not terribly powerful.

At least Cronin, Swaggs, and AlanT appear to be at least considering the options while casting their votes. If I'm going to be voted off the island, I at least appreciate them going through the effort of trying to make sense of the game.

And half of our players haven't even bothered to make an appearance - stuff like that sours me on the game every once in awhile.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 07:14 PM

I stand by my assertion that there could be 0, 1, or 2 bad guys. I think it's possible for Fouts to be telling the truth and Hoops to still be innocent. Not likely, which is why my vote is where it is, but possible.

I also think that Hoops is likely limited to one "evil" action at most. So I would have to think his action with Alan is either neutral or good if we're going to believe that he was trying to kill Fouts. Alternatively we can believe that his action with Alan was evil, but then Fouts' is likely fully of it.

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:16 PM

Oh, and I have to agree with Schmidty a page back about the game being confusing. I wish I knew more about the Magic universe

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:17 PM

I don't think there is any sane way to think that Fouts and I are on the same team, for whatever that is worth.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:18 PM

Alan, if I was looking to corrupt someone, why would I choose the one person who said on Day 1 "I can't be bribed?"

Wouldn't there be about ten better candidates to approach?

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:19 PM

Alan: "I can't be bribed"
Hoopsguy: "I'll show him!"

GMAFB

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan, if I was looking to corrupt someone, why would I choose the one person who said on Day 1 "I can't be bribed?"

Wouldn't there be about ten better candidates to approach?

I actually never said that on day 1. I did that on purpose to see what happened from it. I knew I couldnt be harmed or affected at night, so was trying to see if I could attract someone. It was St.cronin who said he couldn't be bribed.

I think all I said was there were very few of the faithful left. if I ever did mention that I couldn't be affected at night yesterday then I slipped up because my intention was to try to draw company.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 07:20 PM

Ok here's what I need to believe you hoops: Something that unifies your public and "private" role's actions. It seems to me that things are very much interconnected in this game, though the connections aren't always clear to those on the outside. What's your story, so to speak?

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I actually never said that on day 1. I did that on purpose to see what happened from it. I knew I couldnt be harmed or affected at night, so was trying to see if I could attract someone. It was St.cronin who said he couldn't be bribed.

I think all I said was there were very few of the faithful left. if I ever did mention that I couldn't be affected at night yesterday then I slipped up because my intention was to try to draw company.

I wish I could draw a stick figure, let alone company.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I stand by my assertion that there could be 0, 1, or 2 bad guys. I think it's possible for Fouts to be telling the truth and Hoops to still be innocent. Not likely, which is why my vote is where it is, but possible.

I also think that Hoops is likely limited to one "evil" action at most. So I would have to think his action with Alan is either neutral or good if we're going to believe that he was trying to kill Fouts. Alternatively we can believe that his action with Alan was evil, but then Fouts' is likely fully of it.

How could there be no bad guys at the start?

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I wish I could draw a stick figure, let alone company.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:23 PM

Right, and the fact that you were one of the faithful was what drew me to you. Not some attempt to corrupt you.

I apologize for mistaking "bribe" with "faith" although you have been attacking me over the bribery angle for the past two days so I think it is a logical mistake here as I'm getting agitated about our bad play.

The point stands - there were plenty of better targets than you if I was looking for someone weak to try and corrupt. Which I wasn't - I was trying to mutually build a circle of trust that is clearly only going one way.

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:23 PM

I'm still kinda of split between my day 1 vote (fouts), the person everyone jumped off of at the last moment yesterday (saldana), and the new "best choice" (hoops) so I'm still going to wait a little bit to vote since my home improvement project took a little longer than expected (i am not mr Fix-it)

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

How could there be no bad guys at the start?

I think he means among Fouts, hoops, and myself.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:25 PM

hoops, if things don't change at the last minute, will you do a full reveal, so that we may know how useful you will be as a ghost?

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Alan: "I can't be bribed"
Hoopsguy: "I'll show him!"

GMAFB

Hoops you started off the day very suspicious to me, but I think I am coming around to, if not your point of view exactly, then certainly not seeing you as a complete liar.

A few questions

Hoops vs Swaggs: Swagg, you sound very powerful. Could you have harmed Hoops if you wanted to? To me it could have been that Hoops was activel trying to harm Swaggs, but as he is not powerful enough he couldn't and that Swaggs was just blocking him off. Makes sense with Swaggs' 'battle of wills' perception.

Fouts: Do you 100% know that Hoops was intending to kill you? If so, how did you get this information?

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:28 PM

Barkeep, there really is no consistency between my public and private roles. In fact, I have concerns about my private role becoming a liability to our cause later in the game.

I have learned through the church that there is a clan called the Gruul who resent our power and prestige and want to tear down our society and plunge us into lawlessness. But from their description, it doesn't sound like bribery would be their method of doing so. They seem more of a murderous/pillaging kind of group. I am seeking them out during the night phase; if I fail to locate them quickly enough I expect that they will somehow be able to exploit me. I don't know how, but don't have any reason to believe it is through my public role.

This is why I said that I may be a better candidate to die than a random player at this point in the game. But I don't think we are faced with that choice - I'm pretty certain that Fouts is an enemy despite not getting word on my scan (to determine if he was Gruul) because of the interruption. The fact that he accused me and another silenced me today makes me believe he is working in concert with others.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chubby

I'm still kinda of split between my day 1 vote (fouts), the person everyone jumped off of at the last moment yesterday (saldana), and the new "best choice" (hoops) so I'm still going to wait a little bit to vote since my home improvement project took a little longer than expected (i am not mr Fix-it)

Out of interset, why did you vote for Fouts on day 1?

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:29 PM

Swaggs, Post #426 is essentially a reveal so I would expect you could use this if I'm a ghost.

If Saldana is playing on our side, I would hope he could confirm the existence of the Gruul in this universe.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:31 PM

Tanglewood, I wouldn't count on getting any information from Fouts before the deadline. He has basically clammed up - only way I think you will see him is if he suddenly gets some votes.

Then we may lose our "Guest" viewing the thread and get to see some late fireworks.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:31 PM

To those who had bribery mentioned in their PM (I did not), did it explicitly mention monetary bribery or was it a more general true to the cause concept? I think that the initial assumption may have been made it was monetary but in light of Hoops' statement that may be incorrect.

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Out of interset, why did you vote for Fouts on day 1?

Well I intially made it as a "I'll vote for him to see how he reacts" since I had nothing to go on and everyone else seemed to be throwing out random votes.

Later on, there was no real reason for me to switch off of him.

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Tanglewood, I wouldn't count on getting any information from Fouts before the deadline. He has basically clammed up - only way I think you will see him is if he suddenly gets some votes.

Then we may lose our "Guest" viewing the thread and get to see some late fireworks.

At this point I am much closer to voting for him than you.

A longshot, but perhaps Fouts has been silenced? Could be possible. Fouts senses Hoops sneaking around near him, assumes he wants to kill him, makes post about it then gets silenced by a bad guy late on incase he starts doubting.

Barkeep49 · 08-01-2006, 07:33 PM

Tangle: I don't think there are 0 bad guys. Simply the possiblity of 0 bad guys in the group of 3: Swaggs, Hoops, and Fouts.

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:35 PM

Ugh I need to vote before I have to go pickup my girlfriend at work...

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:35 PM

Regardless of who goes down tonight, I reccommend that they make a full role reveal just at the deadline. It's a shame Blade couldn't (partially because it was tied so late on), but seeing as Ghoss can't reveal but can still communicate I think that it would be valuable for a good guy to do so.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

To those who had bribery mentioned in their PM (I did not), did it explicitly mention monetary bribery or was it a more general true to the cause concept? I think that the initial assumption may have been made it was monetary but in light of Hoops' statement that may be incorrect.

I don't know anything about "true to the cause" but bribery does not involve money, and it does not involve magic. Or at least, it involves more than that. I think I am not allowed to get more specific.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:37 PM

I really don't know what else to say. I'll answer any questions you guys have over the next 30 minutes but as of now it looks like you are waiting until tomorrow to get a bad guy.

st.cronin · 08-01-2006, 07:37 PM

UNVOTE HOOPSGUY

VOTE FOUTS

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:39 PM

Tangle, I am honestly not sure whether or not I could have harmed him. If so, it was not my intention last night. I believe I described my magical ability as modest yesterday, but it was made clear to me last night that I have the ability to match up pretty well with just about anyone. And it seems that was apparent to hoops, as well.

As far as the question of whether or not my magic was defense, I think that is possible, but I don't feel like it was in defense to an attack. More like I happened to get in the way of something and it resulted into a sort of stalemate and then died down.

Alan T · 08-01-2006, 07:39 PM

anyone have a current votecount?

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:39 PM

OKay, even though a few of the people I trust are on the other side, I'll now

Vote Fouts

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:40 PM

As of Post #441:
Day 2 votes
Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441)

Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388)

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:41 PM

This isn't helping guys :/

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Regardless of who goes down tonight, I reccommend that they make a full role reveal just at the deadline. It's a shame Blade couldn't (partially because it was tied so late on), but seeing as Ghoss can't reveal but can still communicate I think that it would be valuable for a good guy to do so.

I definitely agree with this 100%. Unless it looks like there is going to be a late break, make a full reveal. Even after you die, you are still a part of the game and can help us out.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:42 PM

You guys did see Post #426, right (role reveal)?

tanglewood · 08-01-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Tangle, I am honestly not sure whether or not I could have harmed him. If so, it was not my intention last night. I believe I described my magical ability as modest yesterday, but it was made clear to me last night that I have the ability to match up pretty well with just about anyone. And it seems that was apparent to hoops, as well.

As far as the question of whether or not my magic was defense, I think that is possible, but I don't feel like it was in defense to an attack. More like I happened to get in the way of something and it resulted into a sort of stalemate and then died down.

Does your role mean you have a habit of 'getting in the way of something' or was it just coincidence? If this is delving deeper at your role than you would like don't answer.

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

You guys did see Post #426, right (role reveal)?

Why do you feel that you could eventually end up helping them?

Swaggs · 08-01-2006, 07:45 PM

Who has not yet voted?

I know that Schmidty dropped by and did not place a vote yet. And I see Chief Rum presumably catching up.

hoopsguy · 08-01-2006, 07:45 PM

I'm trying carefully to dance around the PM here, but I was warned that it was imperative that I locate the enemy quickly before they had leverage over me.

As the Religious leader of our order, I have every reason to believe my faith is strong. I have little fear of the Dimir trying to turn me. But the Gruul, for reasons unclear to me, pose a threat as the game advances.

Chubby · 08-01-2006, 07:45 PM

Ok, I have to leave (delayed too long already) so I'll

Vote Fouts

I'm sticking with my day 1 vote and following our fearless leader (cronin).

I wish i'd be around to see the results but I won't as my gf will be pissed if I don't get lol. All 3 of the people I mentioned in my post a little while ago are still suspicious to me but I'll stick with my vote from yesterday.

08-01-2006, 07:25 PM	#424
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	hoops, if things don't change at the last minute, will you do a full reveal, so that we may know how useful you will be as a ghost? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 07:37 PM	#438
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	UNVOTE HOOPSGUY VOTE FOUTS __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-01-2006, 07:39 PM	#439
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Tangle, I am honestly not sure whether or not I could have harmed him. If so, it was not my intention last night. I believe I described my magical ability as modest yesterday, but it was made clear to me last night that I have the ability to match up pretty well with just about anyone. And it seems that was apparent to hoops, as well. As far as the question of whether or not my magic was defense, I think that is possible, but I don't feel like it was in defense to an attack. More like I happened to get in the way of something and it resulted into a sort of stalemate and then died down. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 07:45 PM	#448
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Who has not yet voted? I know that Schmidty dropped by and did not place a vote yet. And I see Chief Rum presumably catching up. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-01-2006, 06:54 PM	#402
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan, I'm very disappointed that you can't vouch for me after last night. My PM let me know that I definitely could count you among the devout in our Council and left me feeling very strongly about your loyalties. I would have expected some level of reciprocity in the PM messages that I guess wasn't there.

08-01-2006, 06:55 PM	#404
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Furthermore, there is no line between our communication and the encounter with Fouts/Swaggs. Any attempts to make one are just helping you make a wrong decision.

08-01-2006, 07:10 PM	#408
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Catching up on things.

08-01-2006, 07:13 PM	#410
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Have I somehow lost points with non-Orzhov here for not making my accusation and disappearing for hours at a time like Fouts has? KWhit basically issued a hit-and-run vote on me. At least Fouts had some reason to do so ... getting in the middle of the discussion between Swaggs and I was not going to help him out at all. Saldana has basically acknowledged that my actions are consistent with a powerful role in the game - although I would argue that my role is not terribly powerful. At least Cronin, Swaggs, and AlanT appear to be at least considering the options while casting their votes. If I'm going to be voted off the island, I at least appreciate them going through the effort of trying to make sense of the game. And half of our players haven't even bothered to make an appearance - stuff like that sours me on the game every once in awhile.

08-01-2006, 07:14 PM	#411
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I stand by my assertion that there could be 0, 1, or 2 bad guys. I think it's possible for Fouts to be telling the truth and Hoops to still be innocent. Not likely, which is why my vote is where it is, but possible. I also think that Hoops is likely limited to one "evil" action at most. So I would have to think his action with Alan is either neutral or good if we're going to believe that he was trying to kill Fouts. Alternatively we can believe that his action with Alan was evil, but then Fouts' is likely fully of it.

08-01-2006, 07:16 PM	#412
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Oh, and I have to agree with Schmidty a page back about the game being confusing. I wish I knew more about the Magic universe

08-01-2006, 07:17 PM	#413
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I don't think there is any sane way to think that Fouts and I are on the same team, for whatever that is worth.

08-01-2006, 07:18 PM	#414
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan, if I was looking to corrupt someone, why would I choose the one person who said on Day 1 "I can't be bribed?" Wouldn't there be about ten better candidates to approach?

08-01-2006, 07:19 PM	#415
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan: "I can't be bribed" Hoopsguy: "I'll show him!" GMAFB

08-01-2006, 07:20 PM	#417
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Ok here's what I need to believe you hoops: Something that unifies your public and "private" role's actions. It seems to me that things are very much interconnected in this game, though the connections aren't always clear to those on the outside. What's your story, so to speak?

08-01-2006, 07:23 PM	#421
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Right, and the fact that you were one of the faithful was what drew me to you. Not some attempt to corrupt you. I apologize for mistaking "bribe" with "faith" although you have been attacking me over the bribery angle for the past two days so I think it is a logical mistake here as I'm getting agitated about our bad play. The point stands - there were plenty of better targets than you if I was looking for someone weak to try and corrupt. Which I wasn't - I was trying to mutually build a circle of trust that is clearly only going one way.

08-01-2006, 07:23 PM	#422
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I'm still kinda of split between my day 1 vote (fouts), the person everyone jumped off of at the last moment yesterday (saldana), and the new "best choice" (hoops) so I'm still going to wait a little bit to vote since my home improvement project took a little longer than expected (i am not mr Fix-it)

08-01-2006, 07:28 PM	#426
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Barkeep, there really is no consistency between my public and private roles. In fact, I have concerns about my private role becoming a liability to our cause later in the game. I have learned through the church that there is a clan called the Gruul who resent our power and prestige and want to tear down our society and plunge us into lawlessness. But from their description, it doesn't sound like bribery would be their method of doing so. They seem more of a murderous/pillaging kind of group. I am seeking them out during the night phase; if I fail to locate them quickly enough I expect that they will somehow be able to exploit me. I don't know how, but don't have any reason to believe it is through my public role. This is why I said that I may be a better candidate to die than a random player at this point in the game. But I don't think we are faced with that choice - I'm pretty certain that Fouts is an enemy despite not getting word on my scan (to determine if he was Gruul) because of the interruption. The fact that he accused me and another silenced me today makes me believe he is working in concert with others.

08-01-2006, 07:29 PM	#428
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Swaggs, Post #426 is essentially a reveal so I would expect you could use this if I'm a ghost. If Saldana is playing on our side, I would hope he could confirm the existence of the Gruul in this universe.

08-01-2006, 07:31 PM	#429
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Tanglewood, I wouldn't count on getting any information from Fouts before the deadline. He has basically clammed up - only way I think you will see him is if he suddenly gets some votes. Then we may lose our "Guest" viewing the thread and get to see some late fireworks.

08-01-2006, 07:31 PM	#430
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	To those who had bribery mentioned in their PM (I did not), did it explicitly mention monetary bribery or was it a more general true to the cause concept? I think that the initial assumption may have been made it was monetary but in light of Hoops' statement that may be incorrect.

08-01-2006, 07:33 PM	#433
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Tangle: I don't think there are 0 bad guys. Simply the possiblity of 0 bad guys in the group of 3: Swaggs, Hoops, and Fouts.

08-01-2006, 07:35 PM	#434
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Ugh I need to vote before I have to go pickup my girlfriend at work...

08-01-2006, 07:35 PM	#435
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Regardless of who goes down tonight, I reccommend that they make a full role reveal just at the deadline. It's a shame Blade couldn't (partially because it was tied so late on), but seeing as Ghoss can't reveal but can still communicate I think that it would be valuable for a good guy to do so.

08-01-2006, 07:37 PM	#437
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I really don't know what else to say. I'll answer any questions you guys have over the next 30 minutes but as of now it looks like you are waiting until tomorrow to get a bad guy.

08-01-2006, 07:39 PM	#440
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	anyone have a current votecount?

08-01-2006, 07:39 PM	#441
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	OKay, even though a few of the people I trust are on the other side, I'll now Vote Fouts

08-01-2006, 07:40 PM	#442
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	As of Post #441: Day 2 votes Fouts - Hoopsguy (335), Cronin (438), Tanglewood (441) Hoopsguy - Fouts (336), KWhit (346), Barkeep (361), Saldana (364), Swaggs (388)

08-01-2006, 07:41 PM	#443
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	This isn't helping guys :/

08-01-2006, 07:42 PM	#445
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	You guys did see Post #426, right (role reveal)?

08-01-2006, 07:45 PM	#449
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm trying carefully to dance around the PM here, but I was warned that it was imperative that I locate the enemy quickly before they had leverage over me. As the Religious leader of our order, I have every reason to believe my faith is strong. I have little fear of the Dimir trying to turn me. But the Gruul, for reasons unclear to me, pose a threat as the game advances.

08-01-2006, 07:45 PM	#450
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Ok, I have to leave (delayed too long already) so I'll Vote Fouts I'm sticking with my day 1 vote and following our fearless leader (cronin). I wish i'd be around to see the results but I won't as my gf will be pissed if I don't get lol. All 3 of the people I mentioned in my post a little while ago are still suspicious to me but I'll stick with my vote from yesterday.

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