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I agree with these guys to a certain extent. I mean, I can control what my kids watch, but I can't control what commercials they see. However, my personal feeling is that my kids can handle it.
But commercials, especially unregulated, does throw a wrench into the philodophy of "Parents should regulate what their kids watch, not government." Which I believe is how it should be. While I can and do control what TV is appropraite for my kids, I can't control what commercials my kids watch. Last edited by Dutch : 01-12-2006 at 08:08 PM. |
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Parents throw a fit over Candice Michelle dancing in a Go-Daddy ad, completely clothed, but no one seems to care if their kids see alcohol use promoted during football. See, that's ok.
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I will say this whole thing is bullshit for one reason....
election year is coming. There has not been ONE single fine by the FCC this last year. Expect for a crack down to come as the elections start to get closer. I hate politicians.
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I was going to go ballistics over this little article, but then I read WVUFan's post and he expressed it much better... and without profanity.
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How about people in general start "de-dramatizing" the whole sex-issue instead of blowing it up as being so forbidden and such a big no-no... just because we're allowed to show bare breasts on TV here in Sweden doesn't mean we run around humping everyone and everything.
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I am not blaming them for speaking out against this stuff in general, I just find them full of crap because they do it pretty much just to get re-elected, no one cared that much in 2005 because it wasn't an election year.
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I don't necessarily think Obama's doing it to get reelected. He's not up for reelection this year. He was elected in 2004.
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Isn't there any small government people left in Washington? Ok, dumb question, I know they've all been taken out back and shot.
It seems wierd to say that networks should promote shows later in the evening during a 'family sitcom' at 8 PM. I mean, it's primetime. Advertising for a show later in the evening is what networks have always done. I mean they want to get you watching those episodes and what better than to advertise during more popular shows during the first hour of primetime. And not like these family sitcoms are all wholesome.
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No, but in an election that the democrats think is pretty important for them, he is a good guy to have leading the charge to help make the party look good. I don't doubt that these things truely offend him, as they do others. I just think the timing of these things are not a coincidence.
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What IS an adult-only ad? What's the drama all about? I've seen the ad in question and there's more skin in 99% of the videos they show on MTV every day.. Is it the fact that she's got boobies that's anti-family? The simple fact is that kids have seen boobies all their lives! There's no difference between mommy's boobies and someone else's boobies. Having spent two years of my life in Georgia, I've grown to love the country and the people, but this issue you have about sexuality and skin is just laughable. Like I mentioned above, there are no special restrictions on what can be shown on television here, and we're still not perverted sex-maniacs (at least not all of us). I'd be much more worried having my kids watch people running around with guns on TV than letting them see some girl in a t-shirt dance around a little.
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This trend started in movie theaters a few years ago, where they started showing some pretty intense movie ads (especially for horror or suspense movies) during much more lighthearted movies. The point is, I no longer can just decide what to watch with my kids based on the content of the show. I now have to be aware of the content of the ads shown during that show. And since you have no way to know ahead of time what the content of those ads will be (since they may well be new ads, and there is no rating system for the ads), the alternative is to simply not watch TV at all. So Madison Avenue is driving families away from the TV. I know many will argue that's a good thing, and if so fine. But if you're going to put a rating system in, why let 1/3 of the content violate that rating?
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Just because Obama's the only senator mentioned in the article doesn't mean this is an issue only the democrats are pushing. If you (Buccaneer, Cringer, etc...) think Republican Senators won't also push the "decency" issue, especially as it regards Hollywood, in the upcoming midterm elections, you're going to be very, very surprised. Let's keep the partisanship out of it, OK? Politicians of any stripe are going to congregate on this topic like maggots on a dead chicken. |
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Or the extreme amounts of violence portrayed on TV. But a boob is EVIL! |
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Others have mentioned it before in other threads, but you are watching a game built around violence and 250 lb men colliding with each other at fast speeds, and you are complaining about violence in your ads?!
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I maintain that tv and movies have not enough sex, and too much violence. All the top tv shows are things like 24, Law and Order, CSI: Detroit, broken up by the occasional reality show.
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Then perhaps it is. I don't see much of a difference, aside from the violence being real in the NFL and fake in commercials or TV shows.
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By contrast, the vast majority of sex shown on TV and the movies has none of the real-life consequences. How many unwanted pregnancies, cases of venereal disease, or teenage lives ruined by someone who had to drop out of school to take care of a baby do you see on TV or in the movies?
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Yeah, neither are they in TV shows... it's FAKE, you know? Make believe?
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But TV shows and movies use more than just visual cues. They also use music to help generate the appropriate emotional response. I mean, if it's fake, why are you crying at the end of a sad movie? Have you never had an emotional reaction to a book? Become attached to a TV character?
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I don't think I ever cried at the end of a commerical. You can know something is fake yet development an emotional ATTACHMENT. It is nigh on impossible to be emotionally attached to a commerical. I mean, Hell, you have PG movies with simulated violence. Don't let the kid see any Harry Potter movies (before the last one, which was rated PG-13).
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You do bring up a good point. It'd be like buying Madden (reated E for everyone) and having a playable demo of God of War (rated M) on it. The only issue would be that it would probably cost someone a lot of money to be able to hire enough people to view and rate all of the commercials out there, from the nationally broadcasted ones all the way to the local level commericials. Especially since the market has a constent heavy stream of new commericials. |
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I don't call jumping out of your seat because someone says "boo" to be an emotional reaction. Maybe a kid would be scared by a CSI commerical, but are you saying the kid wouldn't be scared of a very hard hit on the field, that leaves the ball carrier lying still on the ground? How is the CSI commerical worse? Especially when its quick and over, while the guy lying still is shown for over a minute... and then you have scenes of the streacher, etc. Quote:
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So what you are saying is the music and timing is what scares kids, and if they just played out an entire CSI theme with no music and just violence, that'd be fine? I mean what kind of society are we in, where a hard hit that may leave someone paralyzed does nothing to a kid, but a 30 second commerical with some dramatic music and a hit to the head turns them into a wreck?!
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1) Fake stuff generates emotional reactions. 2) Fake stuff can generate a stronger emotional reaction than real stuff. 3) More intense fake stuff will generate a stronger emotional reaction than less intense real stuff. 4) The time and duration of the fake stuff is not necessarily important to the reaction it generates. And so yes, all that means that a short 30-second spot can be harder for a child to deal with than a real-time incident where someone ends up getting hurt. In your football example, you are comparing an obvious murder with the result of a play that was probably completely missed in real time. The kid may not even KNOW the guy was paralyzed until you tell them. They see a bunch of guys flying around the field, bumping into each other and getting back up, and they understand that that is play. And they know that they occasionally get "owies" while playing. And that that is different than some mean guy coming up behind mommy (all women are "mommy" at this age) and whacking her over the head.
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You see I totally disagree with your point that some mean guy and hitting a woman over the head should be harder for a child to deal with than seeing a football player getting hit and not getting up. Owies or not, you usually get up after a few seconds. Someone lying and not moving is quite a powerful scene.
The only difference is we've socialized our kids to see football injuries as something ok on TV, as opposed to fake violence, where we jump in front of the TV and get all frazzled, making our kids thinking that that is supposed to be super scary and they react accordingly. Oh, and if we started rating commercials, I'd imagine that the CSI ones would be TV-PG. I mean there is nothing in those commericals worse than other stuff rated TV-PG. The show displays more gore, so it goes to TV-14. Though I doubt this is going to change anytime soon... you could mute the TV during commericals, or express your displeasure by just not watching football on CBS.
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It is quite a powerful scene for adults because they understand what is going on. If a kid sees a guy lying on the ground, they won't understand why he is on the ground. The guy may be hurt, but the kid can't see the hurt. They would also see that 99% of the time an on-field collision doesn't cause injury. They know that hitting someone over the head with blood flying will cause injury. If you want to equate TV violence with football violence as far as child understaning goes, you'd probably have to talk about a very visible broken bone. You probably won't really notice this the first time around, but it is easy to not let the child see the slow-motion replay. |
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I'd imagine that a kid would wonder why the guy isn't moving around and why everyone is huddled around him. I'd think he'd be able to pick out from the seriousness of everyone at the game, that something wrong just happened.
I'd also believe that the kids would realize something was wrong from the attitude of their dad, who may be really quiet and solemn at that point. I really believe that a lot of the reason kids get 'scared' at CSI commericials is because their parents are in a state of panic about changing the channel or something.
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Actually, the kid would get bored because nothing is happening and walk away. Or I would divert their attention from the screen since there is plenty of warning. But this happens, what, maybe once every couple of weeks in an NFL broadcast? Most of the time guys collide, get up, shake it off, and move on. To kids most of this is nothing. And you're talking about a very infrequent incident. You're talking about a guy being paralyzed; when was the last NFL player to get paralyzed? How many years ago again? The worst you typically see is something like Carson Palmer shredding his ACL, and these guys are being helped off or carted off waving at the crowd and pumping their fists. On the other hand, the commercials condense as much intensity into a short time as possible. It's like the old joke about bad comedies where the trailer is hilarious, but then you see the movie and realise that they crammed all the funny scenes into the trailer... And yes, it'll be a while before my kid watches the "Jacked Up" segment on ESPN... Quote:
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Well, you may consider it inappropriate for your children, but frankly, its not going to end anytime soon. And football, especially, is prime oppertunity for hyping shows that the 18-34 crowd would love. Like I said, you can choose not to watch it again (though the other issue is football commericals have NEVER been all that family friendly - from Levitra and Viagra, to beer commercials with girls in skimpy clothing, to commercials for R rated movies). I think that getting upset over a CSI commerical where someone bops a mom on the head in between breaks of an exceedingly violent game as the NFL is silly (it'd be different if you were talking baseball, for instance.. but I still wouldn't have sympathy for ya), but that's just me.
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Imran, I am tending to agree with your views here. Do you think that all sports have become more violent? And if so, why?
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Although, I would argue that bigger and faster players have made more spectacular collisions. So perhaps violence has increased somewhat, but I think the TV coverage of these games contributes a far greater deal.
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