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Old 09-11-2003, 01:57 PM   #151
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I thought we had that already (and 1 to 2 should be A or C)?
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:01 PM   #152
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tac - sac pen - reb ely - ald ine - ons ees - les gil - mic roc - fou rhc - thp thp - cht t p e i e g r r t c n y e s l c c p s r a o l m f t c c b d s s c u p t

Just 'thinking out loud.'
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:02 PM   #153
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:07 PM   #154
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:14 PM   #155
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tic pen reb ger thr gil mic fou sou tou tac sac ely ald ees les roc rhc thp cht toe ola ell ine ons pie hip lub ark one


Central letters of these are in pairs, save one... a & a, l & l, e & e o & h h & h.

If we change the 'h' to 'o' to fit the sequence, we get:

fouroclub

Four o Club
Four of Clubs

Hm, is Quik looking for an inside straight?

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:17 PM   #156
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This has the chance to be a massive red herring clue, but here goes anyway.

You all have spent gobs of time focusing on what letters are staying the same/changing from group to group (as in "what letter(s) of the alphabet"). Perhaps you need to instead just focus on which letters are staying the same/changing.

And please forgive me on the last page - in my attempt to be helpful, I inverted the intended meaning of my clue. I'll correct it below, though I don't know if it will be of any real help.

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:19 PM   #157
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Here's the amended quote from the bottom of the last page:

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While you seem to be focusing on the things that are staying the same from segment to segment, perhaps you need to think instead about the things that are changing.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:21 PM   #158
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tic pen reb ger thr gil mic fou sou tou tac sac ely ald ees les roc rhc thp cht toe ola ell ine ons pie hip lub ark one

Code:
--- -e- -e- --r --- -i- --- -ou -ou -ac --- -l- --- -es --- r-c -h- -h- --- -l- --- -n- --- -i- --- --- ---

Code:
tic p-n r-b ge- thr g-l mic f-- t-- t-- sac e-y ald e-- les -o- r-c c-t toe o-a ell i-e ons p-e hip lub one

And easier to see -
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xxx x x x x xx xxx x x xxx x x x xxx x x xxx x xxx x x x x x xxx x x xxx x x xxx x x xxx xxx xxx

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:24 PM   #159
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I thought we had that already (and 1 to 2 should be A or C)?


Yes, it should... be sure to tell Vince, too.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:24 PM   #160
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Vince, you forgot the 'c' between tac and sac.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:24 PM   #161
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I was just about to post that, Vince.

Remarkable coincidence that the letters in the answer appear in the common letters as well as the grid.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:25 PM   #162
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Thanks for the catch.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:27 PM   #163
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:31 PM   #164
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Gah. Nice.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:32 PM   #165
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Sorry this got strong out so long... it's sometimes tough to know how close the puzzlers are to getting the whole thing. This one, I thought that you were practically there two days ago...shows you what I know.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:33 PM   #166
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Can I go home early...my brain hurts.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:33 PM   #167
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Must have been just as excruciating for you to see how close we were and not getting it
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:34 PM   #168
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how anti-clamatic.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:37 PM   #169
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Hell, I was looking up the braille alphabet and shite. :-)
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:39 PM   #170
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QS....that puzzle sucked. Very anti-climatic. Redeem yourself!! (Post another puzzle)
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:40 PM   #171
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There was no rhyme or reason as to how to arrange the grid. There was no reason to think the leatters would create characters to read, and what the hell does Churchill have to do with anything else in the puzzle.

Still, it had me thinking about it all afternoon. I just hate puzzles that are just so random, with a non-sensical answer. No offense Quik.


Edited to add: I guess I felt like I should have slapped myself when I saw the answer and said "of course!" Instead my reaction was, why would anybody think of that. I know I never would have........
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:40 PM   #172
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QS....that puzzle sucked. Very anti-climatic. Redeem yourself!! (Post another puzzle)


Up yours, punk!

(okay, maybe)
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:42 PM   #173
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:45 PM   #174
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Quik, is this puzzle one of your own creation? Would you mind if I reproduced it at another forum?
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:46 PM   #175
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There was no rhyme or reason as to how to arrange the grid. There was no reason to think the leatters would create characters to read, and what the hell does Churchill have to do with anything else in the puzzle.

Still, it had me thinking about it all afternoon. I just hate puzzles that are just so random, with a non-sensical answer. No offense Quik.


Of course, I disagree.

I think the fact that I dumped right in your lap the "sandwich" clue, which very quickly lead to the connection about the 3x3 resemblance between tic-tac-toe and a phone keypad worked perfectly-- you guys got that pretty quickly. You also pretty quickly mopped up the fact that each answer could be pressed into an identical form of 9 letters (which is 3x3, of course).

To me, you pretty quickly got all the ingredients you needed there. I just didn't furnish the recipe on how to bake the cake.

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...what the hell does Churchill have to do with anything else in the puzzle?

What the hell did anything in the puzzle have to do with anything else in the puzzle? It's not like there was an overriding theme throughout, and the theme was broken for the final answer. Come on-- the only things that made any connection at all in the puzzle were the two "sandwiched" clues. The rest was just figuring out the references, and putting them all together in the fashion I wanted.


I'm not defending the puzzle as perfect, but I thought it was decent. Again, I'm sorry if my hint-giving wasn't up to snuff, I just mistook the needed balance there.

We'll try something else soon.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:48 PM   #176
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You are right, I was a little harsh in my criticism. It was a pretty decent puzzle. See my edit for why I was a bit disappointed at first.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:49 PM   #177
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There was no rhyme or reason as to how to arrange the grid. There was no reason to think the leatters would create characters to read, and what the hell does Churchill have to do with anything else in the puzzle.

Still, it had me thinking about it all afternoon. I just hate puzzles that are just so random, with a non-sensical answer. No offense Quik.




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Quik, is this puzzle one of your own creation? Would you mind if I reproduced it at another forum?



I have troubel reconciling those two statements, honestly. "It sucks, can I have it?"

No, this was not of my own creation, though I did add a few things of my own to it (the "sandwich" clue, I thought, was essential to getting you to think about the 3x3 formatting).
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:50 PM   #178
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:50 PM   #179
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(FWIW, I was only kidding QS, in case you thought what I said was serious. )

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:51 PM   #180
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I have troubel reconciling those two statements, honestly. "It sucks, can I have it?"

No, this was not of my own creation, though I did add a few things of my own to it (the "sandwich" clue, I thought, was essential to getting you to think about the 3x3 formatting).



I backed off from my "Its sucks" statement above.

Plus, because one person does not care for somethnig does not mean others will feel the same.
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:53 PM   #181
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BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE

That's it, right?!?!?!
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:55 PM   #182
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No offense Quik.


Guess I missed that part, eh?

No worries, lads.

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Old 09-11-2003, 02:56 PM   #183
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Old 09-11-2003, 02:57 PM   #184
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That's it, right?!?!?!
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:00 PM   #185
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Note to self: Do not criticize Quiksand. Ever.


Good. Now we've got that straight, on to your personal hygiene habits.
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:07 PM   #186
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FUCK YOU QUICKSAND.

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Old 09-11-2003, 03:11 PM   #187
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:17 PM   #188
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Classic!
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Old 09-11-2003, 03:51 PM   #189
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I think its important that the pound sign looks like a tic tac toe board.
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Old 09-11-2003, 11:08 PM   #190
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Does this mean Quik's not a serial killer?
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Old 09-12-2003, 05:35 AM   #191
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Does this mean Quik's not a serial killer?

No, it just means he's not tipping us off with his puzzles

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Old 09-12-2003, 06:48 AM   #192
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Grid good. That grid bad.

I think a better clue might have been Grids good., that grid bad.
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Old 09-12-2003, 07:50 AM   #193
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I think a better clue might have been Grids good., that grid bad.


I agree.
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Old 09-12-2003, 08:27 AM   #194
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I am so glad I just now got around to reading this thread.
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:16 AM   #195
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Serious question about this puzzle:

What led Vince to eliminate the last word, 'touchtone' from his grid?
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:30 AM   #196
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Serious question about this puzzle:

What led Vince to eliminate the last word, 'touchtone' from his grid?


He didn't eliminate "touchtone." Alas, it seems that perhaps you don't get the solution after all. Maybe that's why you didn't like the puzzle, then.

Look in Vince's "solution" grid above... and see if you can tell how he got from the first row to the second (the context clues lead up to it, if needed). It wasn't by eliminating anything.
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:40 AM   #197
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There are 9 letters in Churchill, and 10 clues.

i am not getting it at all.
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:43 AM   #198
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How's this: If you put up 10 fenceposts, you create 9 spaces in between the fenceposts. Does that help?
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:45 AM   #199
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--- -e- -e- --r --- -i- --- -ou -ou -ac --- -l- --- -es --- r-c -h- -h- --- -l- --- -n- --- -i- --- --- ---


The key in the puzzle, Marmel, is understanding where this grid comes from. Read the various discussion items leading up to it - that might help.
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Old 09-15-2003, 09:45 AM   #200
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Not really.

I see how the letters from Churchill were produced. Each letter of Churchill came from the remaining letters in the original word, after the repeating letters were eliminated.

I am afraid you might have to hit me in the head with the answer instead of leading me around in circles.
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