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Old 09-15-2011, 01:30 AM   #1
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Second and Ten: NFL Replay (1933 - )

I'm doing a bit of an experiment with this so I will drop it if it becomes too much work. One of the things I don't like about "historical replay sims" is that they focus almost entirely on single-season replay and not multiple season replays and Second and Ten is no exception. But I'm going to do two things to try to get some sort of multiple season replay here.

1) I'll redo the schedule for each season based on the standings of the previous year. However, schedules didn't become standardized (teams played different number of games in the 1930s) until 1937. And even then, while they played their in-division opponents twice, I'm not sure how out of division was scheduled. But, that's when I'll start redoing the schedule.

2) I'll redo the draft every year. The Top 10 picks, I'll redo completely. If The Colts get the #5 pick in 1998, they don't get Manning (looks like they'll get Leaf...if he's still there.). For Picks 11 to the end of the first round, if a team picks with 5 picks of their historical spot, they'll automatically get the same guy (this is to help ease the amount of work I'm going to need to put into this.) So in 1998 again, if the Vikings have the 25th pick instead of the 21st pick, they'll still automatically get Randy Moss.

And of course, I'm going to try my best to keep it historical. So, I'm not going to have the #2 or #3 team take Moss. Another draft rule I have is that if the player they took is still on the board when their pick is made, they have to take him (outside of the top 10), and I will strongly lean towards it in the top 10 as well. But, I'll try to be historical and reasonable with the picks. If the Bears have the #1 pick in 1998, they're taking Manning, not Curtis Enis.

But I do remember there being a bit of an argument over who to take. Leaf of Manning. Maybe I'll make it interesting. If the Colts don't get the #1 pick, I'll make it a 75% chance the #1 team takes Manning and 25% they take Leaf....? Maybe. We'll see.

Here's an example for picks 11-15 in the 1998 draft. Let's say the draft order for my recreation looks like this:

11: Cincinnati (1998 - 13th)
12: Pittsburgh (1998 - 26th)
13: Jacksonville (1998 - 9th)
14: Minnesota Vikings (1998 - 21st)
15: New England (1998 - 18th)

Jacksonville's original pick was the 9th pick (they got in a trade with Buffalo and for the sake of the example, let's say the trade still goes through). They are within 5 picks of their original pick, but since their original pick is in the top 10, we'll wait until after the top 10 picks are taken and see if Fred Taylor is still available. Cincinnati is 2 picks off their original pick, so they automatically get LB Takeo Spikes. New England is 3 off, so they automatically get RB Robert Edwards. And let's say, after the top 10, Fred Taylor is still there, so the Jaguars automatically get him. Now it looks like this.

11: Cincinnati: LB Takeo Spikes
12: Pittsburgh:
13: Jacksonville: RB Fred Taylor
14: Minnesota:
15: New England: RB Robert Edwards

Now I need to do a bit of research. From what I've heard from the staff of the 1998 Vikings over the years is that they were going to take Moss and that they always targeted him, and that a lot of other teams were hesitant to take him. The Steelers, I have no idea nor do I think I'm going to find out. So, staying of the side of least amount of work, the Vikings still get Moss.

With the 26th pick, the Steelers took G Alan Faneca. Looking at that draft, there were a few Tackles taken before Faneca, but no guards. But I'll look at their roster and see if they need help elsewhere. For example, in 1998, LB Keith Brooking was taken with the 11th pick. Maybe it makes sense of the Steelers to take an LB in that spot. They also look like, judging from their roster in Second And Ten for 1997 and 1998, they could use a bit more help at Tackle than at Guard.

Siding with the side of "least amount of work", considering that Faneca was the first guard taken in the 1998 draft, I would lean towards simply having the Steelers take him at 11 anyway. So here's how the draft turns out

11: Cincinnati: LB Takeo Spikes
12: Pittsburgh: OG Alen Faneca
13: Jacksonville: RB Fred Taylor
14: Minnesota: WR Randy Moss
15: New England: RB Robert Edwards

As you can see, they all still get the same guy. That's what I'll be trying to lean towards to limit the amount of work I have to do. Only when it will really make sense to change a draft pick from their historical pick will I do that.

3) Trades. This will get tricky. Player trades....I guess I'll have to take this as a case-for-case basis. If the trade makes sense, I'll still do, and I'll be very lenient with "if it makes sense". IOW, I don't want to not do a trade unless it really doesn't fit anymore. For every trade I block, I have to edit the two teams in question. Pick-for-pick trades and player-for-pick trades I'll probably do regardless.

4) Free Agents and Retirement. For the sake of simplicity, free agents leave when they historically leave....within reason. If the Bengals are in the playoffs and making the Super Bowl once or twice, does Carson Palmer leave? Would the same have been true for Barry Sanders? Questions that are a long way off....

(like how am I going to handle ratings for players that are not on their historical teams....not 100% sure yet.)

Anyway, let's do this. All of this work won't start for a few seasons so I can flesh it out later. And honestly, I am not going to find tons of information on the first few decades of drafts. I doubt I'll be redoing much of the draft for a long, long time.

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Old 09-15-2011, 01:57 AM   #2
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Well, I was going to post the rosters for each team, but there doesn't seem to be a way to output them....

Oh well, you can find them here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1933/

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Old 09-15-2011, 02:08 AM   #3
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Teams in NFL 1933

Eastern Division
Boston Redskins
Brooklyn Dodgers
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
Pittsburgh Pirates

Western Division
Chicago Bears
Chicago Cardinals
Cincinnati Reds
Green Bay Packers
Portsmouth Spartans

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Old 09-15-2011, 02:22 AM   #4
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Week 1

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Boston Redskins 0 0 0 35 35
Green Bay Packers 7 0 0 0 7

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 0 0
Portsmouth Spartans 0 0 7 12 19

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 7 3 14 0 24
Pittsburgh Pirates 6 0 0 0 6

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Old 09-15-2011, 02:32 AM   #5
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The game outputs a nice looking Week Summery to a printer, but for some reason, not to HTML. I tried printing it to a text file, but it doesn't keep its formatting. Also tried printing it to OneNote and XPS, but I can't get it to copy and past into the forum or Word (won't keep its formatting).

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Old 09-15-2011, 02:41 AM   #6
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Week 2

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Bears 0 0 0 3 3
Green Bay Packers 0 3 0 0 3

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 3 0 7 14 24
Portsmouth Spartans 0 0 0 2 2

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Cardinals 0 12 0 0 12
Pittsburgh Pirates 0 7 6 0 13
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:42 AM   #7
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Week 3

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Boston Redskins 7 7 0 0 14
Chicago Bears 7 0 7 13 27

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 13 0 0 0 13
Green Bay Packers 0 6 0 7 13

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Cardinals 0 0 0 6 6
Portsmouth Spartans 0 7 0 10 17
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:45 AM   #8
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Week 4

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Boston Redskins 0 7 0 7 14
Pittsburgh Pirates 0 0 0 0 0

Week 5

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 0 0 0 7 7
Boston Redskins 7 7 0 0 14

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Bears 0 7 2 7 16
Brooklyn Dodgers 0 6 0 3 9

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Cardinals 0 0 0 10 10
Cincinnati Reds 0 7 0 0 7

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Portsmouth Spartans 0 0 0 0 0
Green Bay Packers 0 10 0 0 10

Week 6

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Cincinnati Reds 0 14 0 0 14
Pittsburgh Pirates 7 0 7 0 14
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:50 AM   #9
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Week 7

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Portsmouth Spartans 13 0 0 0 13
Boston Redskins 0 6 6 14 26

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Cincinnati Reds 0 0 0 0 0
Brooklyn Dodgers 0 12 6 0 18

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Bears 2 6 3 14 25
Chicago Cardinals 0 0 0 0 0

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Pittsburgh Pirates 0 13 0 0 13
Green Bay Packers 6 19 7 0 32

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Philadelphia Eagles 0 3 0 6 9
New York Giants 14 7 10 0 31

Week 8

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Portsmouth Spartans 0 7 0 0 7
Philadelphia Eagles 0 13 3 0 16

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Cardinals 0 0 0 0 0
Boston Redskins 7 14 14 0 35

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Green Bay Packers 0 3 7 7 17
Chicago Bears 0 7 0 0 7

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Pittsburgh Pirates 6 0 0 6 12
Cincinnati Reds 7 7 7 7 28

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Brooklyn Dodgers 0 0 0 0 0
New York Giants 7 7 0 7 21

Week 9

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Pittsburgh Pirates 0 0 0 0 0
Boston Redskins 0 7 0 14 21

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Cardinals 0 6 6 7 19
Brooklyn Dodgers 7 14 0 10 31

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 0 0 0 0 0
Chicago Bears 0 24 0 7 31

Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Philadelphia Eagles 0 0 0 3 3
Green Bay Packers 0 0 0 0 0
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:51 AM   #10
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Eastern Conference W L T PCT PF PA Home Road Conf Div Streak
Boston 6 1 0 .857 159 54 4-0 2-1 6-1 3-0 Won 5
New York 4 2 1 .667 120 75 2-0 2-2-1 4-2-1 3-1 Lost 1
Philadelphia 2 1 0 .667 28 38 1-0 1-1 2-1 0-1 Won 2
Brooklyn 2 2 0 .500 58 56 2-1 0-1 2-2 0-1 Won 1
Pittsburgh 1 5 1 .167 58 145 1-2-1 0-3 1-5-1 0-3 Lost 3
New York over Philadelphia based on HTH record 1-0

Western Conference W L T PCT PF PA Home Road Conf Div Streak
Chi Bears 4 1 1 .800 109 43 2-1 2-0-1 4-1-1 1-1-1 Won 1
Green Bay 3 2 2 .600 82 74 2-2-2 1-0 3-2-2 2-0-1 Lost 1
Portsmouth 2 4 0 .333 58 82 2-1 0-3 2-4 2-1 Lost 3
Cincinnati 1 3 1 .250 49 73 1-1 0-2-1 1-3-1 0-2 Won 1
Chi Cards 1 5 0 .167 47 128 0-1 1-4 1-5 1-2 Lost 3
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:45 AM   #11
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:52 PM   #12
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One thing I've noticed is that it doesn't do a very good job of simulating early football. Or maybe the early seasons just aren't rated properly. Right now, the Boston Redskins have run the ball almost as many times than they did in the entire 1933 season (436 vs. 466). So the early seasons statistics are going to be completely out of place.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:33 PM   #13
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Week 10

Chicago Bears 14
Boston Redskins 31


Chi Bears
Passing: Red Grange 3/6, 63 yards, 1 INT ; Keith Molesworth 3/6, 71 yards, 1 TD
Rushing: Red Gange 14 carries, 73 yards; Keith Molesworth 13 carries, 38 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Bill Hewitt 4 rec, 72 yards, 1 TD
Defense: Joe Kopcha 17 tackles

Boston
Passing: Steve Hokuf 1/5, 31 yards
Rushing: Cliff Battles 30 carries, 138 yards, 2 TD; Roy Hortsmann 11 carries, 41 yards
Receiving: Ike Frankian 1 rec, 31 yards
Defense: Marger Apsit 7 tackles, 1 INT

This is an example of what I was talking about. Cliff Battles got about 11 carries per game (and that's his rating in the game), but he keeps getting it ~30 times per game. The game is distributing the runs like it should, but then Battles gets a bloated stat. I think it may be a problem with the Option Pass and that Battles is just running each time it's called. I don't think it's a problem with the rating. Bronko Nagurski has a high rating for the Option Pass but his rushing attempts look fine.

I did notice that Battles wasn't rating for throwing, even though he had his real life stats inputted. So I calculated his passing ratings and we'll see if that changes anything.


Pittsburgh Pirates 3
Brooklyn Dodgers 27


Pittsburgh
Passing: Tony Holm 5/9, 65 yards, 2 INT; Bill Tanguay 2/4, 17 yards, 2 INT
Rushing: Tony Holm 10 carries, 32 yards; Angelo Brovelli 9 carries, 32 yards
Receiving: Ray Tesser 6 rec, 74 yards
Defense: Clarence Janecek 7 tackles

Brooklyn
Passing: Chris Cagle 4/6, 35 yards, 1 TD; Benny Friedman 4/5, 41 yards, 1 TD
Rushing: Shipwreck Kelly 13 carries, 59 yards; Bull Karcis 11 carries, 49 yards
Receiving: Shipwreck Kelly 4 rec, 19 yards, 2 TD
Defense: Bull Karcis 10 tackles, 1 INT; Doc Morrison 7 tackles, 1 INT


Green Bay Packers 10
Chicago Cardinals 13


Green Bay
Passing: Arnie Herber 5/12, 34 yards, 2 INT
Rushing: Clarke Hinkle 11 carries, 8 yards; Bob Monnett 9 carries, 38 yards; Hank Bruder 8 carries, 43 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Lavvie Dilweg 2 rec, 19 yards
Defense: Rudy Comstock 7 tackles, Paul Young 7 tackles, Clarke Hinkle 7 tackles

Chi Cards
Passing: Joe Lillard 3/12, 31 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT
Rushing: Dick Nesbitt 26 carries, 118 yards; Joe Lillard 25 carries, 82 yards
Receiving: Milan Creighton 3 rec, 29 yards, 1 TD
Defense: Gil Bergerson 7 tackles, Les Malloy 7 tackles


Philadelphia Eagles 26
Cincinnati Reds 7


Philadelphia
Passing: Red Kirkman 2/3, 14 yards, 2 TD
Rushing: Reb Russell 30 carries, 87 yards; Swede Hanson 17 carries, 64 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: George Kenneally 1 rec, 10 yards, 1 TD; Swede Hanson 1 rec, 4 yards, 1 TD
Defense: Jack Roberts 7 tackles, 1 FF

Cincinnati
Passing: Jim Bausch 4/16, 25 yards, 2 INT; Lew Pope 4/13, 64 yards
Rushing: Lee Mulleneaux 8 carries, 30 yards; Lew Pope 4 carries, 32 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Joe Crakes 4 rec, 32 yards
Defense: Lee Mulleneaux 13 tackles, 1 FF; Biff Lee 12 tackles


Portsmouth Spartans 16
New York Giants 7


Portsmouth
Passing: Glenn Presnell 0/6, 1 INT; Ace Gutowsky 1/1, 1 yard
Rushing: Glenn Presnell 30 carries, 65 yards, 1 TD; Ace Gutowsky 13 carries, 79 yards
Receiving: John Schneller 1 rec, 1 yard
Defense: George Christensen 6 tackles

New York
Passing: Harry Newman 0/9, 2 INT; Bo Molenda 1/1, 8 yards
Rushing: Harry Newman 12 carries, 82 yards
Receiving: Red Badgro 1 rec, 8 yards
Defense: Bo Molenda 14 tackles; Butch Gibson 13 tackles
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:40 PM   #14
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Week 11

Cincinnati Reds 0
Chicago Cardinals 26


Cincinnati
Passing: Jim Bausch 1/9, 7 yards, 1 INT
Rushing: Jim Bausch 9 carries, 34 yards; Red Corzine 10 carries, 17 yards
Receiving: Kermit Schmidt 1 rec, 7 yards
Defense: Biff Lee 13 tackles; Gil LeFebvre 1 Tackle, 1 INT (16 yards)

Chi Cards

Passing: Joe Lillard 3/6, 41 yards, 1 TD; Mike Koken 3/3, 20 yards
Rushing: Joe Lillard 18 carries, 62 yards; Dick Nesbitt 14 carries, 43 yards
Receiving: Howie Tipton 3 rec, 19 yards; Mal Moe 1 rec, 32 yards, 1 TD
Defense: Gil Bergerson 9 tackles, 1 FF; Joe Lillard 1 INT (31 yard TD)


Boston Redskins 0
New York Giants 14


Boston
Passing: Jim Musick 1/4, 21 yards, 3 INT
Rushing: Cliff Battles 18 carries, 97 yards; Jim Musick 10 carries, 61 yards
Receiving: Ike Frankian 2 rec, 35 yards
Defense: Jim MacMurdo 15 tackles, 1 FF

New York
Passing: Harry Newman 2/5, 43 yards
Rushing: Harry Newman 12 carries, 71 yards; Bo Molenda 13 carries, 39 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Ray Flaherty 2 rec, 26 yards
Defense: Bo Molenda 7 tackles, 1 FF; Ken Strong 4 tackles, 1 INT (13 yards); Dale Burnett 3 tackles, 1 INT (13 yards); Harry Newman 2 tackles, 1 INT (24 yards)


Chicago Bears 14
Philadelphia Eagles 6


Chi Bears
Passing: Red Gange 1/5, 9 yards
Rushing: Keith Molesworth 12 carries, 36 yards, 1 TD; Bronko Nagurski 7 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Joe Zeller 1 rec, 9 yards
Defense: Joe Kopcha 17 tackles, 1 INT (3 yards); Carl Brumbaugh 6 tackles, 1 INT (3 yards)

Philadelphia
Passing: Red Kirkman 4/11, 35 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT
Rushing: Reb Russell 25 carries, 89 yards; Swede Hanson 13 carries, 80 yards
Receiving: Swede Hanson 3 rec, 26 yards
Defense: Jim Zyntell 8 tackles; Swede Hanson 3 tackles, 1 INT (17 yards)


Brooklyn Dodgers 7
Pittsburgh Pirates 3


Brooklyn
Passing: Benny Friedman 2/9, 31 yards, 1 INT
Rushing: Bull Karcis 12 carries, 23 yards; Shipwreck Kelly 7 carries, 28 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: Shipwreck Kelly 2 rec, 31 yards
Defense: Bull Karcis 8 tackles; Stu Worden 6 tackles, 1 INT (11 yards); Chris Cagle 4 tackles, 1 INT (9 yards); Shipwreck Kelly 4 tackles, 1 INT (23 yards)

Pittsburgh
Passing: Tony Holm 2/6, 12 yards, 1 INT
Rushing: Tony Holm 12 carries, 53 yards
Receiving: Ray Tesser 4 rec, 77 yards
Defense: Clarence Janecek 9 tackles; Larry Critchfield 7 tackles, 1 INT (10 yards); Angelo Brovelli 3 tackles, 1 INT (11 yards)


Green Bay Packers 0
Portsmouth Spartans 14


Green Bay
Passing: Arnie Herbet 3/10, 55 yards, 2 INT; Bob Monnett 3/9, 31 yards, 1 INT
Rushing: Bob Monnett 17 carries, 56 yards; Buckets Goldenberg 13 carries, 37 yards
Receiving: Roger Grove 2 rec, 19 yards; Hank Bruder 2 rec, 29 yards
Defense: Mike Michalske 7 tackles, 1 INT

Portsmouth

Passing: Glen Presnell 4/9, 56 yards, 1 INT
Rushing: Glenn Presnell 12 carries, 94 yards; Gene Alford 5 carries, 37 yards, 1 TD
Receiving: John Cavosie 3 rec, 54 yards
Defense: Maury Bodenger 8 tackles; Ox Emerson 7 tackles, 1 INT (1 Yard); Glenn Presnell 7 tackles, 1 INT (27 yards)
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:50 PM   #15
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Week 12 Summary (gives links to all information, including full standings, schedule and all previous games and statistics)

Week 12 Standings


Standings
NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Boston 8 2 0 .800
Brooklyn 4 2 1 .667
New York 5 4 1 .556
Philadelphia 3 3 0 .500
Pittsburgh 2 7 1 .222

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 6 2 1 .750
Portsmouth 5 4 0 .556
Chi Cards 3 5 1 .375
Green Bay 3 5 2 .375
Cincinnati 1 6 1 .143


Week 12 Results

Green Bay Packers 14
Boston Redskins 21


Brooklyn Dodgers 13
Chicago Cardinals 13


Portsmouth Spartans 24
Cincinnati Reds 0


Chicago Bears 24
New York Giants 7


Pittsburgh Pirates 19
Philadelphia Eagles 14




Doing the game results by hand was becoming a drag already. I decided to just output the HTML and put it up on my website (that I barely use). I'll create a new directory every year and week so that all of the previous outputs are available.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:57 PM   #16
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Week 13 Summary

Week 13 Standings

Standings
NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Boston 8 3 0 .727
Brooklyn 5 2 1 .714
New York 6 4 1 .600
Philadelphia 4 3 0 .571
Pittsburgh 2 7 1 .222

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 6 3 1 .667
Portsmouth 6 4 0 .600
Chi Cards 3 5 1 .375
Green Bay 3 6 2 .333
Cincinnati 1 7 1 .125


Week 13 Results


Boston Redskins 0
Brooklyn Dodgers 43


Portsmouth Spartans 17
Chicago Bears 7


Green Bay Packers 6
New York Giants 16


Cincinnati Reds 7
Philadelphia Eagles 21
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:33 PM   #17
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NFL 1933 - Week 14 Summary

Standings

Standings
NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Brooklyn 6 2 1 .750
Boston 8 3 0 .727
Philadelphia 4 3 0 .571
New York 6 5 1 .545
Pittsburgh 2 7 1 .222

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 7 3 1 .700
Portsmouth 6 4 0 .600
Chi Cards 3 6 1 .333
Green Bay 3 6 2 .333
Cincinnati 1 7 1 .125


Results


New York Giants 7
Brooklyn Dodgers 14


Chicago Cardinals 7
Chicago Bears 27
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:43 PM   #18
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NFL 1933 - Week 15 Summary

Standings

Standings
NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Brooklyn 7 2 1 .778
Boston 9 3 0 .750
New York 7 5 1 .583
Philadelphia 4 4 0 .500
Pittsburgh 2 8 1 .200

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 8 3 1 .727
Portsmouth 6 5 0 .545
Green Bay 4 6 2 .400
Chi Cards 3 7 1 .300
Cincinnati 1 8 1 .111

Results


Boston Redskins 21
Chicago Cardinals 0


Brooklyn Dodgers 14
Cincinnati Reds 0


Pittsburgh Pirates 0
New York Giants 32


Green Bay Packers 7
Philadelphia Eagles 6


Chicago Bears 35
Portsmouth Spartans 0



Looks like the Championship Game has been decided. In 1933, the NFL did not count tie games in their standings (this went on until the 70s I think). Therefore, Brooklyn benefits and Boston gets screwed. 7-2 is a better win percentage than 9-3. Only 2 games in the final week, the Bears vs. Packers and Giants vs. Eagles. If the Bears lose, they still win the division.
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:48 PM   #19
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NFL 1933 - End of Regular Season Summary

Standings

Standings
NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Brooklyn 7 2 1 .778
Boston 9 3 0 .750
New York 8 5 1 .615
Philadelphia 4 5 0 .444
Pittsburgh 2 8 1 .200

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 8 3 2 .727
Portsmouth 6 5 0 .545
Green Bay 4 6 3 .400
Chi Cards 3 7 1 .300
Cincinnati 1 8 1 .111


Week 16 Results


Green Bay Packers 7
Chicago Bears 7


New York Giants 28
Philadelphia Eagles 10



NFL Championship: Chicago Bears (8-3-2) at Brooklyn Dodgers (7-2-1)
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Old 09-16-2011, 02:54 PM   #20
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1933 NFL Championship


Team 1 2 3 4 Total
Chicago Bears 0 0 0 3 3
Brooklyn Dodgers 0 0 0 0 0



Well....both teams averaged under 3 yards per carry on the ground. A defensive battle that almost ended regulation with a 0-0 tie. We almost had our first overtime game in the first championship.
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Old 09-16-2011, 09:55 PM   #21
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NFL 1933 Real Life vs. NFL 1933 Replay

1933 Records, Replay record (Real Life record)

Eastern Division

1. Brooklyn Dodgers 7-2-1 (5-4-1)
2. Boston Redskins 9-3-0 (5-5-2)
3. New York Giants 8-6-1 (11-3-0)
4. Philadelphia Eagles 4-5-0 (3-5-1)
5. Pittsburgh Pirates 2-8-1 (3-6-2)

Western Division
1. Chicago Bears 8-3-2 (10-2-1) <-- Champs in both real life and replay
2. Portsmouth Spartans 6-5-0 (6-5-0)
3. Green Bay Packers 4-6-3 (5-7-1)
4. Chicago Cardinals 3-7-1 (1-9-1)
5. Cincinnati Reds 1-8-1 (3-6-1)


Not too far off. Many teams were within 1 or 2 wins/loses of their real life record, and Portsmouth was spot on. The only two teams that were a bit off were the Giants (3 more loses in replay) and Redskins (4 more wins).

One difference is that there was a lot more scoring in the replay than in real life. The highest scoring team in the replay, the Chicago Bears, had 237 points in the replay, but only 133 in real life. The Redskins scored 232 points in the replay, but only 103 in real life. In real life, the Giants were an offensive power and scored 244, 13 more than the 231 they scored in the replay. And some other teams came in at under their real life points total, but overall, scoring was higher (1494 in replay vs. 1105 in real life)

I think the issue is that there were a lot more plays in the replay than in real life. In real life, 5,749 plays. In the replay, 6,619. I used whatever the default settings were. For the next season, I'll tick the Timing setting down one or two spots to decrease the number of plays some.
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:34 PM   #22
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1934 NFL

Schedule and Rosters stay the same. There was a team called the St. Louis Gunners who played 3 games, but are not included in the season file.

The Portsmouth Spartans have moved to Detroit and changed their name to the Lions.

The first few weeks of games

Week 1 Games

Sept. 9th - Cincinnati Reds at Pittsburgh Pirates

Week 2

Sept. 16th - Philadelphia Eagles at Green Bay Packers
Sept. 16th - Boston Redskins at Pittsburgh Pirates

Week 3

Sept. 22nd - Philadelphia Eagles at Pittsburgh Pirates
Sept. 23rd - Chicago Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds
Sept. 23rd - New York Giants at Detroit Lions
Sept. 26th - Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:43 PM   #23
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NFL 1934 - Week 3 Summary

I jump to week 3 since the first two weeks only had 3 games total.

Standings

NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 2 0 0 1.000
Pittsburgh 2 1 0 .667
New York 0 1 0 .000
Boston 0 1 0 .000
Brooklyn 0 0 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 1 0 0 1.000
Chi Cards 1 0 0 1.000
Detroit 1 0 0 1.000
Green Bay 0 2 0 .000
Cincinnati 0 2 0 .000


Week 1 Results

Cincinnati Reds 7
Pittsburgh Pirates 28


Week 2 Results

Philadelphia Eagles 7
Green Bay Packers 0


Boston Redskins 12
Pittsburgh Pirates 16


Week 3 Results


Philadelphia Eagles 21
Pittsburgh Pirates 13


Chicago Cardinals 19
Cincinnati Reds 0


New York Giants 0
Detroit Lions 28


Chicago Bears 27
Green Bay Packers 0



Week 4 Games


Sunday, Sept. 30th

Boston Redskins at Brooklyn Dodgers
Chicago Bears at Cincinnati Reds
Chicago Cardinals at Detroit Lions
New York Giants at Green Bay Packers
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Old 09-20-2011, 02:56 PM   #24
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NFL 1934 - Week 4 Summary

Full Standings

NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 2 0 0 1.000
Pittsburgh 2 1 0 .667
Boston 1 1 0 .500
New York 1 1 0 .500
Brooklyn 0 1 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Detroit 2 0 0 1.000
Chi Bears 2 0 0 1.000
Chi Cards 1 1 0 .500
Green Bay 0 3 0 .000
Cincinnati 0 3 0 .000


Week 4 Results

Boston Redskins 18
Brooklyn Dodgers 10


Chicago Bears 38
Cincinnati Reds 7


Chicago Cardinals 0
Detroit Lions 3


New York Giants 10
Green Bay Packers 3


Week 5 Games

Wed Oct 3
New York Giants at Pittsbugh Pirates

Week 6 Games

Sun Oct 7
Chicago bears at Brooklyn Dodgers
Pittsburgh Pirates at Philadelphia Eagles
Chicago Cardinals at Cincinnati Reds
Detroit Lions at Green Bay Packers
New York Giants at Boston Redskins
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:17 PM   #25
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NFL 1934 - Week 6 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 3 0 0 1.000
New York 3 1 0 .750
Pittsburgh 2 3 0 .400
Boston 1 2 0 .333
Brooklyn 0 2 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 3 0 0 1.000
Detroit 2 1 0 .667
Chi Cards 2 1 0 .667
Green Bay 1 3 0 .250
Cincinnati 0 4 0 .000


Week 5 Results

New York Giants 28
Pittsburgh Pirates 0


Week 6 Results

Chicago Bears 21
Brooklyn Dodgers 7


Pittsburgh Pirates 10
Philadelphia Eagles 14


Chicago Cardinals 27
Cincinnati Reds 14


Detroit Lions 7
Green Bay Packers 10


New York Giants 20
Boston Redskins 7


Week 7 Games

Oct 10th
Chicago Bears at Pittsburgh Pirates

Week 8 Games

Oct 14th
Brooklyn Dodgers at New York Giants
Detroit Lions at Philadelphia Eagles
Cincinnati Reds at Green Bay Packers
Chicago Bears at Chicago Cardinals
Pittsburgh Pirates at Boston Redskins
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:27 PM   #26
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NFL 1934 - Week 8 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
New York 4 1 0 .800
Philadelphia 3 1 0 .750
Pittsburgh 3 4 0 .429
Boston 1 3 0 .250
Brooklyn 0 3 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 5 0 0 1.000
Detroit 3 1 0 .750
Chi Cards 2 2 0 .500
Green Bay 2 3 0 .400
Cincinnati 0 5 0 .000


Week 7 Results

Chicago Bears 34
Pittsburgh Pirates 3


Week 8 Results

Brooklyn Dodgers 0
New York Giants 24


Detroit Lions 19
Philadelphia Eagles 0


Cincinnati Reds 0
Green Bay Packers 13


Chicago Bears 14
Chicago Cardinals 7


Pittsburgh Pirates 21
Boston Redskins 19


Week 9 Games

Oct 17th
Boston Redskins at Detroit Lions

Week 10 Games

Oct 21st
Philadelphia Eagles at Boston Redskins
Cincinnati Reds at Chicago Bears
Brooklyn Dodgers at Detroit Lions
Chicago Cardinals at Green Bay Packers
Pittsburgh Pirates at New York Giants


As you can tell by now, the weeks aren't really weeks. The game only allows each team to be scheduled once per week, which means these early seasons need to have the weeks broken up since it was common for teams to play more than once in a single week. I figured I'd just keep calling them weeks to avoid confusion with the HTML outputs.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:44 PM   #27
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NFL 1934 - Week 10 Summary

Full Standings

NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 4 1 0 .800
New York 4 2 0 .667
Pittsburgh 4 4 0 .500
Boston 1 5 0 .167
Brooklyn 0 4 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 6 0 0 1.000
Detroit 5 1 0 .833
Green Bay 3 3 0 .500
Chi Cards 2 3 0 .400
Cincinnati 0 6 0 .000


Week 9 Results


Detroit Lions 12
Boston Redskins 0


Week 10 Results

Philadelphia Eagles 13
Boston Redskins 7


Cincinnati Reds 0
Chicago Bears 42


Brooklyn Dodgers 0
Detroit Lions 33


Chicago Cardinals 13
Green Bay Packers 23


Pittsburgh Pirates 9
New York Giants 7


Week 11 Games

Oct 28th
Pittsburgh Pirates at Brooklyn Dodgers
Chicago Cardinals at Boston Redskins
Green Bay Packers at Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions at Cincinnati Reds
Philadelphia Eagles at New York Giants



The Chicago bears are well on their way to repeating their undefeated season of 1934. The Eagles have already matched their win total and so far, Cincinnati has matched with win total as well. The Eagles did score more points than their opponents in 1934. However, that was because of a 64-0 blow out of the Reds. Take that out and they gave up more points.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:59 PM   #28
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NFL 1934 - Week 11 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
New York 5 2 0 .714
Philadelphia 4 2 0 .667
Pittsburgh 5 4 0 .556
Boston 2 5 0 .286
Brooklyn 0 5 0 .000

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 6 1 0 .857
Detroit 6 1 0 .857
Green Bay 4 3 0 .571
Chi Cards 2 4 0 .333
Cincinnati 0 7 0 .000


Week 11 Results

Pittsburgh Pirates 31
Brooklyn Dodgers 0


Chicago Cardinals 3
Boston Redskins 12


Green Bay Packers 10
Chicago Bears 6


Detroit Lions 27
Cincinnati Reds 0


Philadelphia Eagles 0
New York Giants 7


And the Packers defeat the last undefeated team of the year, the Chicago Bears.

Week 12 Games

Nov 4th
Green Bay Packers at Boston Redskins
New York Giants at Chicago Bears
Pittsburgh Pirates at Detroit Lions

Nov 6th
Chicago Cardinals at Brooklyn Dodgers
Cincinnati Reds at Philadelphia Eagles
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:30 PM   #29
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Still waiting on our first tie of the season!
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:22 PM   #30
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Still waiting on our first tie of the season!

I know! What the hell is up with no ties? I want a few 0-0 ties to make up for this injustice!
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Old 09-21-2011, 11:35 PM   #31
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NFL 1934 - Week 12 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 5 2 0 .714
New York 5 3 0 .625
Pittsburgh 5 5 0 .500
Boston 3 5 0 .375
Brooklyn 1 5 0 .167

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 7 1 0 .875
Detroit 7 1 0 .875
Green Bay 4 4 0 .500
Chi Cards 2 5 0 .286
Cincinnati 0 8 0 .000


Week 11 Results

Green Bay Packers 0
Boston Redskins 6


New York Giants 0
Chicago Bears 3


Pittsburgh Pirates 0
Detroit Lions 35


Chicago Cardinals 0
Brooklyn Dodgers 14


Cincinnati Reds 7
Philadelphia Eagles 27


Week 13 Games

Nov 11th
Detroit Lions at Chicago Cardinals
Pittsburgh Pirates at Cincinnati Reds
Brooklyn Dodgers at Philadelphia Eagles
Chicago Bears at Boston Redskins
Green Bay Packers at New York Giants
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Old 09-22-2011, 07:35 PM   #32
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NFL 1934 - Week 13 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 5 3 0 .625
New York 5 4 0 .556
Pittsburgh 6 5 0 .545
Boston 4 5 0 .444
Brooklyn 2 5 0 .286

Western Conference W L T PCT
Detroit 8 1 0 .889
Chi Bears 7 2 0 .778
Green Bay 5 4 0 .556
Chi Cards 2 6 0 .250
Cincinnati 0 9 0 .000

Week 13 Results

Detroit Lions 3
Chicago Cardinals 0


Pittsburgh Pirates 26
Cincinnati Reds 7


Brooklyn Dodgers 24
Philadelphia Eagles 14


Chicago Bears 3
Boston Redskins 7


Green Bay Packers 20
New York Giants 10


Week 14 Games

Nov 18th
Brooklyn Dodgers at Pittsburgh Pirates
Boston Redskins at Philadelphia Eagles
Chicago Cardinals at Green Bay Packers
Cincinnati Reds at Detroit Lions
Chicago Bears at New York Giants
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:27 PM   #33
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NFL 1934 - Week 14 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
Philadelphia 5 3 1 .625
New York 6 4 0 .600
Pittsburgh 7 5 0 .583
Boston 4 5 1 .444
Brooklyn 2 6 0 .250

Western Conference W L T PCT
Detroit 9 1 0 .900
Chi Bears 7 3 0 .700
Green Bay 6 4 0 .600
Chi Cards 2 7 0 .222
Cincinnati 0 10 0 .000


Week 14 Results

Brooklyn Dodgers 14
Pittsburgh Pirates 43


Boston Redskins 6
Philadelphia Eagles 6


Chicago Cardinals 0
Green Bay Packers 18


Cincinnati Reds 0
Detroit Lions 61


Chicago Bears 7
New York Giants 10


This version of the 1934 Bears aren't fairing as well as their real life counterparts while Detroit, 10-3 in 1934, is looking to take advantage. The Cincinnati Reds are doing as well as they did in real life. In fact better, since in 1934 the Reds stopped paying their dues to the league and were kicked out (The St. Louis Gunners came in and played their last 3 games). In this replay, at least they get to stick around.

Week 15 Games

Nov 25th
Philadelphia Eagles at Brooklyn Dodgers
Boston Redskins at New York Giants
Chicago Cardinals at Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers at Detroit Lions
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Old 09-23-2011, 08:52 PM   #34
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NFL 1934 - Week 15 Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
New York 7 4 0 .636
Pittsburgh 7 5 0 .583
Philadelphia 5 4 1 .556
Boston 4 6 1 .400
Brooklyn 3 6 0 .333

Western Conference W L T PCT
Detroit 10 1 0 .909
Chi Bears 8 3 0 .727
Green Bay 6 5 0 .545
Chi Cards 2 8 0 .200
Cincinnati 0 10 0 .000

Week 15 Results

Philadelphia Eagles 0
Brooklyn Dodgers 21


Boston Redskins 0
New York Giants 31


Chicago Cardinals 0
Chicago Bears 21


Green Bay Packers 3
Detroit Lions 28


Wow, all 4 losing teams combined for 3 total points. The Bears are now two games out of first place with two to play. Lucky for them, their last two games both are against the Lions. NY and Philly also play in the final week of the season and that game could determine the winner of the east.

Week 16 Games

Nov 29th
New York Giants at Brooklyn Dodgers
Green Bay Packers at Chicago Cardinals
Chicago Bears at Detroit Lions

Week 17 Games

Dec 2
Brooklyn Dodgers at Boston Redskins
Detroit Lions at Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers at Cincinnati Reds
New York Giants at Philadelphia Eagles
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:02 PM   #35
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NFL 1934 - End of Season Summary

Full Standings


NFL
Eastern Conference W L T PCT
New York 9 4 0 .692
Pittsburgh 7 5 0 .583
Philadelphia 5 5 1 .500
Boston 5 6 1 .455
Brooklyn 3 8 0 .273

Western Conference W L T PCT
Chi Bears 10 3 0 .769
Detroit 10 3 0 .769
Green Bay 7 5 1 .583
Chi Cards 2 8 1 .200
Cincinnati 0 11 0 .000


Week 16 Results

New York Giants 16
Brooklyn Dodgers 0


Green Bay Packers 0
Chicago Cardinals 0


Chicago Bears 7
Detroit Lions 0


Week 17 Results

Brooklyn Dodgers 0
Boston Redskins 14


Detroit Lions 7
Chicago Bears 9


Green Bay Packers 10
Cincinnati Reds 7


New York Giants 7
Philadelphia Eagles 0


And the Lions blow it. All they had to do was win 1 of 2 and they were in. The Bears come through in the clutch and take both games to take the west.

Championship Game: Chicago Bears vs. New York Giants at the Polo Grounds in NY
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:17 PM   #36
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1934 NFL Championship

New York Giants vs Chicago Bears
At The Polo Grounds December 9, 1934
Attendance: 55,000
Team 1 2 3 4 Total
New York Giants 7 0 3 0 10
Chicago Bears 7 0 0 0 7
Scoring Plays Giants Bears
1st Quarter
Bears 8:17 B.Feathers 2 yard run ( J.Manders kick ) ( 9-50, 4:48 ) 0 7
Giants 2:34 W.Smith 7 yard run ( K.Strong kick ) ( 6-47, 2:00 ) 7 7
3rd Quarter
Giants 4:33 K.Strong 37 yard field goal ( 10-50, 6:17 ) 10 7


Full Game Report
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Old 09-23-2011, 09:40 PM   #37
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NFL 1935

A few new changes for the next season going forward.

1) I'm in the mood for a bit more alt-history, so I'm going to start randomizing injuries. In the game, there is no Free Agent pool for teams to take from when an injury occurs. Some players that should have gotten injured didn't because of the minimum player requirement for positions prevented them from becoming injured.

So I'm going to start doing two things. First, I'll create a few scrubs per position on each team before the season starts so that they exceed the position requirements, and secondly, I'm going to input a random INJ rating for each player. Some players may have only played 1 or two games in real life and if they did very well in those games, their rating may be inflated, so I'll be looking out for that as well.

2) I'm tired of seeing a blank Sacks stat. Before the start of each season, I'll use the "Estimate Sacks" button to assign a sacks value to each defensive player so that Sacks will show up for the defense now.

3) Looking at the standings, all of the teams in the NFL in 1935 played 12 games except for 2, the Eagles and Redskins. They played 11. However, I look at the schedule and see the Giants play the Bears twice, in back-to-back weeks, but don't play the Lions at all.

So, like I said, I'm in a more of an alt-history mood, so I'm going to redo the schedules. There's a problem though. If I do play 2x vs. divisional rivals and 1x vs. the opposite division, the East will play 12 games and the West will play 11.....eh, close enough.
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