Get those NHL lottery bets in now. Begins 4Pm today

WrongWay · 07-22-2005, 08:32 AM

Man those Conspiracy nuts are circling everywhere this morning. From all this talk you would assume that there is no way New York does not get the first draft pick.

What kind of Daily Line is vegas giving that the rangers get the first pick?

What do you think? Can the NHL Lottery System be Fixed? What kind of random act are we going to see here?

bob · 07-22-2005, 08:38 AM

My prediction (based on absolutely nothing, just guessing) is that Chicago will get the pick.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 08:55 AM

Could it be fixed? Sure. Will it be fixed? I highly highly doubt it. But if the Rangers get the #1 pick it will be hard to convince some folks it was anything but fixed. Same goes (though to a lesser extent) if LA, Toronto, or Montreal get the pick. Let the conspiracy theorists talk til their blue in the face I'm not too worried about it.

As far as predictions go... I have no idea. I'll be disappointed if certain teams win the lottery. Ambivalent if others. Excited if a few. If Detroit managed to pull it off I would be doing the "dance of joy" for the entire weekend, month perhaps. If Colorado some how won it I would throw up.

bob · 07-22-2005, 09:09 AM

Yeah, if Colorado gets it, I won't be happy. Or answer the phone for about a week.

Draft Dodger · 07-22-2005, 09:26 AM

funny, I think I'd be pretty stoked if the Avs got it. Gut feeling is Columbus though

MikeVic · 07-22-2005, 09:42 AM

I think some weird team like Buffalo...

Draft Dodger · 07-22-2005, 10:05 AM

actually, Buffalo would be my second gut feeling

Chubby · 07-22-2005, 10:08 AM

I'll be jumping up and down at work if the Sabres get it

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 10:12 AM

I always have had a spot in my heart for the Sabres, so I wouldn't mind at all if they got Crosby.

sachmo71 · 07-22-2005, 10:17 AM

I'll take Montreal.

Chubby · 07-22-2005, 10:17 AM

my gut feeling (besides Buffalo) is Phoenix, Gretzky coaching Crosby

Blade · 07-22-2005, 10:18 AM

I have a feeling that a one ball team will get him...just a hunch.

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 10:19 AM

Pheonix was a team I was thinking about to.

Gretzky coaching the kid he says could shatter his records.. Makes for an amazing story.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

funny, I think I'd be pretty stoked if the Avs got it.

That's only because when it comes to hockey you're horribly mis-guided and even somewhat evil.

MikeVic · 07-22-2005, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Pheonix was a team I was thinking about to.

Gretzky coaching the kid he says could shatter his records.. Makes for an amazing story.

"Ok Crosby, this is is my top secret method for breaking records! All you have to do is go in that dark alley over there. A magical hockey guy will give you the secret hockey stick..."

*CLANG*

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

"Ok Crosby, this is is my top secret method for breaking records! All you have to do is go in that dark alley over there. A magical hockey guy will give you the secret hockey stick..."

*CLANG*

lmao.

Hey .. A Great One investigation for assault and battery is almost as good.

Draft Dodger · 07-22-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

That's only because when it comes to hockey you're horribly mis-guided and even somewhat evil.

right. and your wife was totally just "hanging out" with a "friend"

stevew · 07-22-2005, 10:34 AM

I barely follow hockey, but this new lottery system is stupid. Some team like the RedWings will get Crosby. It will be just another way to screw over the sucky teams(like the Penguins.)

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I barely follow hockey, but this new lottery system is stupid. Some team like the RedWings will get Crosby. It will be just another way to screw over the sucky teams(like the Penguins.)

I wish that were true .. But I can't see it happening.

We still gotta remember, the Rangers are a crappy team.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

right. and your wife was totally just "hanging out" with a "friend"

DUDE! Why you got to be so nasty?!

stevew · 07-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Crosby will play in the NHL this fall, right? Or will he head to AAA(AHL?).

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

I barely follow hockey, but this new lottery system is stupid. Some team like the RedWings will get Crosby. It will be just another way to screw over the sucky teams(like the Penguins.)

Lottery system makes perfect sense. There are other ways it could be done, but I think it's fair that, considering there was no season last year to base the draft order on (who knows what could have happened), every team has a shot at the #1 pick with those teams that have been less successful of late (like the Penguins) have a slightly higher chance. Seems fair enough.

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Crosby will play in the NHL this fall, right? Or will he head to AAA(AHL?).

I can't see any reason he won't be in the NHL. Especially with the new cap, he'll make far less money then he ought to be, and with a lot of teams cutting guys, he'll slide right in to a lineup.

sachmo71 · 07-22-2005, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

That's only because when it comes to hockey you're horribly mis-guided and even somewhat evil.

Seconded. Avs are just evil.

stevew · 07-22-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Lottery system makes perfect sense. There are other ways it could be done, but I think it's fair that, considering there was no season last year to base the draft order on (who knows what could have happened), every team has a shot at the #1 pick with those teams that have been less successful of late (like the Penguins) have a slightly higher chance. Seems fair enough.

Okay, i didnt realize that this was just the one time method of doing the lottery.

Wolfpack · 07-22-2005, 10:54 AM

Heck, for all this talk of conspiracy for Crosby, maybe the NHL should have just auctioned it off to the highest bidder and then random-ordered the remaining the picks. They would have killed the conspiracies (unless you believe teams would collude to deny other teams the top pick by pooling money) and gotten Crosby to go to a major-market franchise. Proceeds from selling the pick could have been re-distributed in some sort of market-sharing way. True, minor franchises wouldn't have had any chance at Crosby, but it seems so many fans are scared to death that Crosby would end up in a backwater.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Okay, i didnt realize that this was just the one time method of doing the lottery.

Yeah. It's only because there was no season. Typically the draft works like the NBA draft with there being a lottery for the worst teams in the league which is weighted by final record. This is just to avoid tanking a season.

JeeberD · 07-22-2005, 10:58 AM

Go Oilers Go!

Karim · 07-22-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

I can't see any reason he won't be in the NHL. Especially with the new cap, he'll make far less money then he ought to be, and with a lot of teams cutting guys, he'll slide right in to a lineup.

According to the last CBA, you had to be 20 years old to play in the AHL. The lockout year was an exception. Since the draft age has been raised to 19, I suspect it's still 20 years old. Crosby will definitely be playing in the NHL as an 18 year old.

I'd actually like to see him go to Pittsburgh or Buffalo. I definitely don't want to see him go to Toronto, Carolina, or Florida.

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 11:08 AM

Just put him in Detroit.

Crosby/Datsyuk/Zetterburg?

Oh man. Just the thought of it.

sachmo71 · 07-22-2005, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Just put him in Detroit.

Crosby/Datsyuk/Zetterburg?

Oh man. Just the thought of it.

Makes me sick to my stomach.

DeToxRox · 07-22-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sachmo71

Makes me sick to my stomach.

Haha. You would say that.

At least HB agrees.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

Haha. You would say that.

At least HB agrees.

Indeed I do!

It would be a perfect "passing of the torch" from the Steve Yzerman Era to the Sidney Crosby Era. This would be great for Detroit, great for hockey, great for our country, and great for small children everywhere!

Qwikshot · 07-22-2005, 12:23 PM

Flyers BABY!!!

sovereignstar · 07-22-2005, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Indded I do!

It would be a perfect "passing of the torch" from the Steve Yzerman Era to the Sidney Crosby Era. This would be great for Detroit, great for hockey, great for our contry, and great for small children everywhere!

Spoken and spelled like a true DC-ian.

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sovereignstar

Spoken and spelled like a true DC-ian.

Ouch. That spelling was brutal! For shame!

Schmidty · 07-22-2005, 12:38 PM

Red Wings for teh win!!!!!!111!

General Mike · 07-22-2005, 12:51 PM

Nashville needs him, but go Devils.

Johnny93g · 07-22-2005, 12:55 PM

if its the Rangers, Im calling a fix...any other team, im fine with...obviously, i hope the Leafs get him.....the best place for him would be Montreal, and i think that would be great

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

if its the Rangers, Im calling a fix...any other team, im fine with...obviously, i hope the Leafs get him.....the best place for him would be Montreal, and i think that would be great

Maybe if the Rangers weren't one of the few teams with three balls in the lottery there could be tenuous grounds to suspect a fix, but they are one of those few teams. There is really no evidence to support the NHL having any real interest in the Rangers. They are horrible. Talks of fixes and conspiracies is the work of paranoid Canadians.

Blade · 07-22-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Go Oilers Go!

Amen

Honolulu_Blue · 07-22-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

Red Wings for teh win!!!!!!111!

You're mocking me, aren't you?

jbmagic · 07-22-2005, 01:25 PM

LA Kings select Crosby

Logan · 07-22-2005, 01:30 PM

First of all, if he ends up with any team besides the Rangers, Detroit, Montreal, Toronto (Original Six etc) its going to be terrible for the league. This kid is the NHL's last hope. If Crosby ends up in somewhere like Buffalo or Nashville the league loses any benefit that he might bring.

Read an article a couple days ago about Jeremy Roenick. He was talking about the new CBA and also about Crosby. He said that if the NHL wanted to do the right thing, they should just assign the #1 pick to the Rangers. They're the only team that has the mix of a shitty enough squad along with a market that could actually benefit the league. I honestly don't think the rest of the teams would have a problem with it.

My biggest problem with this lottery is that the teams with the "best" chance only do have a slightly better chance than the Detroits and Colorados of the league. In my opinion, they should have used the system they started using, taking the teams who have missed the playoffs for 4+ years (Rangers, Nashville, Chicago, etc) and guaranteed those teams the top X picks (where X is the number of teams who fit that category). Then take the teams who have only made one playoff appearance in that past 4 years and guaranteed them the next Y picks, continuing down the line until you get to teams who have made the playoffs every year.

MrBug708 · 07-22-2005, 01:35 PM

I might follow hockey if the Kings got Crosby

Logan · 07-22-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I might follow hockey if the Kings got Crosby

You and the other 14 people in LA who would care.

sovereignstar · 07-22-2005, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

I might follow hockey if the Kings got Crosby

Hold the phone! Let's get this boy on a plane to LA then!!

Vince · 07-22-2005, 02:05 PM

How about the Sharks?

Johnny93g · 07-22-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

First of all, if he ends up with any team besides the Rangers, Detroit, Montreal, Toronto (Original Six etc) its going to be terrible for the league. This kid is the NHL's last hope. If Crosby ends up in somewhere like Buffalo or Nashville the league loses any benefit that he might bring.

Read an article a couple days ago about Jeremy Roenick. He was talking about the new CBA and also about Crosby. He said that if the NHL wanted to do the right thing, they should just assign the #1 pick to the Rangers. They're the only team that has the mix of a shitty enough squad along with a market that could actually benefit the league. I honestly don't think the rest of the teams would have a problem with it.

My biggest problem with this lottery is that the teams with the "best" chance only do have a slightly better chance than the Detroits and Colorados of the league. In my opinion, they should have used the system they started using, taking the teams who have missed the playoffs for 4+ years (Rangers, Nashville, Chicago, etc) and guaranteed those teams the top X picks (where X is the number of teams who fit that category). Then take the teams who have only made one playoff appearance in that past 4 years and guaranteed them the next Y picks, continuing down the line until you get to teams who have made the playoffs every year.

i beg to differ, I think just about every team in the league would have a MAJOR problem with it...

My biggest problem in the lottery is punishing teams that made the playoffs....whose to say what could have happend last year......Calgary came out of nowhere to win the cup.....how do we know Brodeur doesnt get hurt, NJ sucks and finishes close to last, with a great shot in the regular lottery......the fact that the lottery is weighted is unfair...it should be an equal change for every team, but this is the way it is, and im glad my Leafs have a shot at him....

assigning the pic to the Rangers, man, thats going way overboard

Schmidty · 07-22-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

You're mocking me, aren't you?

Yes and no. I take any opportunity I can to mock you, but I also love the Wings. Best of both worlds.

07-22-2005, 08:55 AM	#3
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Could it be fixed? Sure. Will it be fixed? I highly highly doubt it. But if the Rangers get the #1 pick it will be hard to convince some folks it was anything but fixed. Same goes (though to a lesser extent) if LA, Toronto, or Montreal get the pick. Let the conspiracy theorists talk til their blue in the face I'm not too worried about it. As far as predictions go... I have no idea. I'll be disappointed if certain teams win the lottery. Ambivalent if others. Excited if a few. If Detroit managed to pull it off I would be doing the "dance of joy" for the entire weekend, month perhaps. If Colorado some how won it I would throw up. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

07-22-2005, 09:26 AM	#5
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	funny, I think I'd be pretty stoked if the Avs got it. Gut feeling is Columbus though __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-22-2005, 10:05 AM	#7
Draft Dodger Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Keene, NH	actually, Buffalo would be my second gut feeling __________________ Mile High Hockey

07-22-2005, 10:08 AM	#8
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I'll be jumping up and down at work if the Sabres get it Last edited by Chubby : 07-22-2005 at 10:08 AM.

07-22-2005, 10:18 AM	#12
Blade College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Edmonton, Alberta	I have a feeling that a one ball team will get him...just a hunch. __________________ Just trying to get by unnoticed... Loyal fan of the Edmonton Oilers and Philadelphia Eagles.

07-22-2005, 08:38 AM	#2
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	My prediction (based on absolutely nothing, just guessing) is that Chicago will get the pick.

07-22-2005, 09:09 AM	#4
bob College Starter Join Date: Oct 2004	Yeah, if Colorado gets it, I won't be happy. Or answer the phone for about a week.

07-22-2005, 09:42 AM	#6
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	I think some weird team like Buffalo...

07-22-2005, 10:12 AM	#9
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	I always have had a spot in my heart for the Sabres, so I wouldn't mind at all if they got Crosby.

07-22-2005, 10:17 AM	#10
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	I'll take Montreal.

07-22-2005, 10:19 AM	#13
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Pheonix was a team I was thinking about to. Gretzky coaching the kid he says could shatter his records.. Makes for an amazing story.

07-22-2005, 10:34 AM	#18
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I barely follow hockey, but this new lottery system is stupid. Some team like the RedWings will get Crosby. It will be just another way to screw over the sucky teams(like the Penguins.)

07-22-2005, 10:41 AM	#21
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Crosby will play in the NHL this fall, right? Or will he head to AAA(AHL?).

07-22-2005, 10:54 AM	#26
Wolfpack Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC	Heck, for all this talk of conspiracy for Crosby, maybe the NHL should have just auctioned it off to the highest bidder and then random-ordered the remaining the picks. They would have killed the conspiracies (unless you believe teams would collude to deny other teams the top pick by pooling money) and gotten Crosby to go to a major-market franchise. Proceeds from selling the pick could have been re-distributed in some sort of market-sharing way. True, minor franchises wouldn't have had any chance at Crosby, but it seems so many fans are scared to death that Crosby would end up in a backwater.

07-22-2005, 10:58 AM	#28
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Go Oilers Go! __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

07-22-2005, 11:08 AM	#30
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Just put him in Detroit. Crosby/Datsyuk/Zetterburg? Oh man. Just the thought of it.

07-22-2005, 12:23 PM	#34
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Flyers BABY!!!

07-22-2005, 12:38 PM	#37
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Red Wings for teh win!!!!!!111! __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

07-22-2005, 12:51 PM	#38
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Nashville needs him, but go Devils.

07-22-2005, 12:55 PM	#39
Johnny93g College Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto	if its the Rangers, Im calling a fix...any other team, im fine with...obviously, i hope the Leafs get him.....the best place for him would be Montreal, and i think that would be great __________________ FOOL- Toronto Marlboros FOOL Classic Champions 2073, 2078, 2079, 2114, 2116, 2117, 2129, 2152, 2155, 2169, 2192 46 35 FOOL H- New York Giants World Champions 1914, 1928 BBCF: Notre Dame TML

07-22-2005, 01:25 PM	#43
jbmagic Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2004	LA Kings select Crosby

07-22-2005, 01:30 PM	#44
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	First of all, if he ends up with any team besides the Rangers, Detroit, Montreal, Toronto (Original Six etc) its going to be terrible for the league. This kid is the NHL's last hope. If Crosby ends up in somewhere like Buffalo or Nashville the league loses any benefit that he might bring. Read an article a couple days ago about Jeremy Roenick. He was talking about the new CBA and also about Crosby. He said that if the NHL wanted to do the right thing, they should just assign the #1 pick to the Rangers. They're the only team that has the mix of a shitty enough squad along with a market that could actually benefit the league. I honestly don't think the rest of the teams would have a problem with it. My biggest problem with this lottery is that the teams with the "best" chance only do have a slightly better chance than the Detroits and Colorados of the league. In my opinion, they should have used the system they started using, taking the teams who have missed the playoffs for 4+ years (Rangers, Nashville, Chicago, etc) and guaranteed those teams the top X picks (where X is the number of teams who fit that category). Then take the teams who have only made one playoff appearance in that past 4 years and guaranteed them the next Y picks, continuing down the line until you get to teams who have made the playoffs every year. Last edited by Logan : 07-22-2005 at 01:43 PM.

07-22-2005, 01:35 PM	#45
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I might follow hockey if the Kings got Crosby

07-22-2005, 02:05 PM	#48
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