Werewolf IX: Village of the Damned - Page 24

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 07:55 PM

Eagles, build me a case where Raiders gets the Coat without being a wolf.

I confirm that I passed the Notebook to Vince.
Vince used the Notebook to detect the Coat.
RealDeal says he passed the Coat to Henry.
Henry is dead, wolves get his item.

The sorcerer does not know who the wolves are. So you would have to think that Real, Vince, and I are playing together to set up this little drama to frame Raiders.

Or you can believe that at least Vince and I are playing it straight, regardless of your thoughts on RealDeal.

Finally, if RealDeal is a wolf then why would he pass the Coat of Arms last night? To give it to Raiders when Real was on the lynching block - so he could be lynched in one day instead of two? Does that sound like a wolf play?

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 07:56 PM

It's a bird! It's a plane! It's .... Superman=#54!

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Eagles, build me a case where Raiders gets the Coat without being a wolf.

I confirm that I passed the Notebook to Vince.
Vince used the Notebook to detect the Coat.
RealDeal says he passed the Coat to Henry.
Henry is dead, wolves get his item.

The sorcerer does not know who the wolves are. So you would have to think that Real, Vince, and I are playing together to set up this little drama to frame Raiders.

Or you can believe that at least Vince and I are playing it straight, regardless of your thoughts on RealDeal.

Finally, if RealDeal is a wolf then why would he pass the Coat of Arms last night? To give it to Raiders when Real was on the lynching block - so he could be lynched in one day instead of two? Does that sound like a wolf play?

I've already said that I think Raiders is a wolf. Since, I reviewed the rules and realized that the passing phase occurs before eating, there is no other explaination if you and vince are telling the truth. I think you are. I think Raiders is a wolf. I'm fine with him being lynched tonight, but I stuck to my guns because in a previous vote, I allowed someone to change my mind and it was a very costly mistake. I still think Raiders is a freaking crazy wolf and should be the next to die, if he doesn't die before Raiders. I'm just afraid he might have lethal items to kill us with tonight while we try to kill Raiders and can't do so because of the coat.

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 08:00 PM

Looking at my argument, I guess that Vince could be a wolf and I passed him the Notebook. He is now outing Raiders, who is a villager I suspected. That is a scenario I can concoct where this turns out wrong.

He could be telling the truth about Raiders ending up with the item because Real passed it to him in the night. And it would take us two days to lynch Raiders, who in this scenario is an innocent villager, while the wolves eat each night.

But you have to trust someone - I've thrown my lot behind Vince.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 08:00 PM

Err, I meant in a previous game, not a previous vote in this game.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Alright I am tired, I meant I think RealDeal is a crazy wolf. Not Raiders. I think he is a wolf, but he has been generally shrewd.

Raiders Army · 08-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Wow. A lot happened while I watched that movie and the storm passed.

Raiders Army · 08-12-2005, 08:04 PM

As I read this, it's too late to appeal to anyone. I'm too tired at this point to argue, so I'll wait until tomorrow morning to defend myself.

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 08:08 PM

Quote:

I'll wait until tomorrow morning to defend myself

Yep, he has the Coat.

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 08:23 PM

In my Post #1154 scenario where I tried to concoct a scenario where Raiders is innocent this would imply that Real is a wolf who lied about his pass to Henry, instead passing it to an innocent Raiders. He would then need Vince to say that he used the Notebook - perhaps Vince was converted to sorcerer last night after I passed it? Or was a wolf when I passed it to him? Then can only count on this play if Vince is now evil. And if Vince is the Sorceror then he doesn't know who the wolves are, so they could not have talked about this strategy.

But does anyone think that Real is playing that type of game with his 'Kill me' attitude? And drawing all kinds of attention to himself yesterday in the Blade dust-up?

I'm having to work really hard to come up with any scenarios for Raiders. Maybe he will have a better argument to save himself tomorrow morning.

RealDeal · 08-12-2005, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I hope RealDeal doesn't have any lethal items to kill any of us with tonight. I also hope we are right about Raiders Army being a werewolf.

I have no items, and I have one silver piece. I have no desire to hurt the villager and want them to win. As you have seen, I have given all the information I know to help them, and it all is true. I want to die to prove my innocence, but I want the villagers to win, and I think I have helped them throughout the game except for the Blade things (and I honestly thought he was a wolf) and with asking to die now so I can be proved correct.

My voting history shows someone who was trying to do the right thing. I was not the member of this team trying to bring the team down. Blade was. Please let me die this turn.

Blade6119 · 08-12-2005, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I was not the member of this team trying to bring the team down. Blade was.

Honestly, play the game but stop bloody attacking me...its really tactless and disrespectful after i was proven to be a villager...i thought we agreed to end this like 10 pages back, but you keep at it...

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 08:44 PM

RealDeal - the rest of the villagers are trying to kill wolves, not get themselves run out of the game.

Make you a deal - if you are a villager, and play the game trying to help the villagers, then we'll go ahead and play one extra round after getting the wolves so we can all lynch you then. If Peregrine isn't up for that then I'll start another thread where we can lynch you. We can even let the dead people back in for the event - except Blade, out of respect for everything you've done for our cause.

jeff061 · 08-12-2005, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

RealDeal - the rest of the villagers are trying to kill wolves, not get themselves run out of the game.

Make you a deal - if you are a villager, and play the game trying to help the villagers, then we'll go ahead and play one extra round after getting the wolves so we can all lynch you then. If Peregrine isn't up for that then I'll start another thread where we can lynch you. We can even let the dead people back in for the event - except Blade, out of respect for everything you've done for our cause.

hehe, nice.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 08:55 PM

I also found that post quite funny

RealDeal · 08-12-2005, 09:14 PM

I have never mislead the villagers. Every post I have made is true or I believed it to be true at the time I made it. I have never taken any actions with passing or not passing items that would purposefully harm my team. I did pass items to Henry, but I didn't know he would die. I do want to be vindicated, but I have never once claimed to be a wolf. I would have been suspected whether I had asked to be killed or not. But that is not my fault.

Edit: to be clear, I don't want to die for the sake of dying. I want to be shown a villager to be validated in the fact that I was singled out from the start for reasons that were bad faith or not objectively reasonable even within the context of the game.

If people will acknowledge, at a minimum, that Blade's reasoning for fingering me at the beginning was, at best, loopy, then I am happy.

Peregrine · 08-12-2005, 09:27 PM

Superman casts the deciding vote in favor of Raiders Army. Raiders Army has the Coat of Arms, which activates, so there is no lynch tonight!

Night 5

Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
kingfc22
sundvls
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Coffee Warlord
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
eaglesfan27
hoopsguy
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army
Mr. Wednesday
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

Night actions in by tomorrow morning, we'll push back the next lynch deadline to Monday night at player request. I'll post the results of the night actions tomorrow.

Schmidty · 08-12-2005, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealDeal

I have never mislead the villagers. Every post I have made is true or I believed it to be true at the time I made it. I have never taken any actions with passing or not passing items that would purposefully harm my team. I did pass items to Henry, but I didn't know he would die. I do want to be vindicated, but I have never once claimed to be a wolf. I would have been suspected whether I had asked to be killed or not. But that is not my fault.

Edit: to be clear, I don't want to die for the sake of dying. I want to be shown a villager to be validated in the fact that I was singled out from the start for reasons that were bad faith or not objectively reasonable even within the context of the game.

If people will acknowledge, at a minimum, that Blade's reasoning for fingering me at the beginning was, at best, loopy, then I am happy.

I hope you're insane ssssensssitivity is gamesmanship, because if not, you are one sad dude.

RealDeal · 08-12-2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peregrine

Superman casts the deciding vote in favor of Raiders Army. Raiders Army has the Coat of Arms, which activates, so there is no lynch tonight!

RA is clearly a wolf.

Poli · 08-12-2005, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Something give me a bad feeling that all my talk about trusting AE that he was converted last night.

No conversion here. Same old Ardent.

Poli · 08-12-2005, 09:54 PM

Can someone give me a Cliff notes version of the past 8 hours?

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Can someone give me a Cliff notes version of the past 8 hours?

Vince and Hoopsguy showed that Raiders Army had received the Coat last night. Presumably, he received it from eating a villager. We had a split vote between Raiders Army and RealDeal. I think some of us voted for RealDeal because he was acting so suicidal and odd. Also, for at least myself, I didn't want to waste a vote tonight and give the wolves a better chance of using a lethal item on us. I still RealDeal is probably the other wolf. Eventually, Superman broke the tie at the last minute after Peregrine extended it (due to the late announcement that the ring had cast a vote for Raiders to tie it up.)

Finally, Raiders was lynched, except he wasn't because he does have the Coat. The coat saved him, and now we likely all have reason to lynch him tomorrow (unless he can come up with a very convincing explanation of how he acquired that coat.)

Those are the key items, IMHO.

Poli · 08-12-2005, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Vince and Hoopsguy showed that Raiders Army had received the Coat last night. Presumably, he received it from eating a villager. We had a split vote between Raiders Army and RealDeal. I think some of us voted for RealDeal because he was acting so suicidal and odd. Also, for at least myself, I didn't want to waste a vote tonight and give the wolves a better chance of using a lethal item on us. I still RealDeal is probably the other wolf. Eventually, Superman broke the tie at the last minute after Peregrine extended it (due to the late announcement that the ring had cast a vote for Raiders to tie it up.)

Finally, Raiders was lynched, except he wasn't because he does have the Coat. The coat saved him, and now we likely all have reason to lynch him tomorrow (unless he can come up with a very convincing explanation of how he acquired that coat.)

Those are the key items, IMHO.

Interesting, henry had RA in his circle of trust, IIRC.

Vote Raiders Army

Poli · 08-12-2005, 10:04 PM

Yeah, I know I can't vote yet. It's out there for the intimidation factor.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-12-2005, 10:06 PM

LOL

I'm all for voting Raiders tomorrow unless he has a very convincing explanation. Since the coat is gone, my resistance to voting for him is gone too.

I still think RealDeal must die after that, barring convincing evidence of someone else being the "other" wolf.

hoopsguy · 08-12-2005, 10:11 PM

No argument here, Eagles. But we do have some time for night actions to kick in and to see what else can be stirred up.

In the absence of good candidates I'm all for positioning RealDeal as the next-best available option. Heck, RealDeal is up for himself in this role.

Vince · 08-13-2005, 05:05 AM

Did anyone notice anything with post #1059? I was trying to be subtle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Post #1059

Raiders Army -- Well Other Leads Fail me.

I've been trying to follow up on any sort of lead possible, and I keep coming up with question marks. I still don't know if subtlety or brazen revealing is the way to go -- I think I'm leaning towards subtlety right now.

MrBug708 · 08-13-2005, 05:11 AM

Talk about a pretty big error if not true....

Vince · 08-13-2005, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBug708

Talk about a pretty big error if not true....

I would love to hear a scenario (outside of me lying) where it isn't true. Based upon what I have seen, it is irrefutable that Raiders Army is a wolf. I just wish I had been able to draw out the other wolf first. I figured with any chance that I die this evening, my knowlege needed to be put out there, or it would have been a crippling blow to the villagers.

MrBug708 · 08-13-2005, 05:49 AM

Vince, why the hell are you up right now? Beer Pong? Pretty coherent post if true...

Im sure someone is going to end up dead...*looks at Vince and his fangs sticking out*

Poli · 08-13-2005, 08:20 AM

Our beloved moderator must have had a heck of a night. That or Raiders Army killed us all.

Coffee Warlord · 08-13-2005, 08:29 AM

Wake up at the asscrack of dawn for no reason, and the entertainment hasn't begun yet! Bah!

Peregrine · 08-13-2005, 09:17 AM

Ugh, just rolled out of bed. Give me a while to look through the stack of PMs I have and I'll post the night action results (besides the result of me getting pretty drunk.)

Poli · 08-13-2005, 09:35 AM

I win the prize.

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

Did anyone notice anything with post #1059? I was trying to be subtle.

Alrighty then. I was appalled yesterday when I received the Coat of Arms. After RealDeal said he gave it to henry, and then henry died, I knew I was set up.

How exactly did I lie when I said I gave the saber to henry? Because I received the coat of arms last night? Come on. Vince, you're trying to mislead us, and now I know you're really setting me up. And you're setting me up quite well. Well, now it looks as if I'm a wolf, but it's just your say so. Why did you go through the "ploy" of letting me say what I had so you could exonerate me? That seems really weak if you knew yesterday morning that I had the coat of arms and you thought I was a wolf.

I see that everyone fell for it. Oh well. I'll catch up with you guys next game, and good luck against the wolves. I tried to do my part, but I guess it's a lost cause. I'll try and remain a little quieter next time.

Peregrine · 08-13-2005, 09:48 AM

The night is an anxious one, as terrifying screams that seem to last half the night are heard. In the morning, RealDeal is found, not so much torn apart as shredded. He was an innocent villager.

Day 6

Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager
kingfc22
sundvls
blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager
Coffee Warlord
Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager
BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager
digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf
eaglesfan27
hoopsguy
fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager
schmidty
dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager
vince
Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror
RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager
Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror
Raiders Army
Mr. Wednesday
MrBug708
Superman=#54
ardent enthusiast

Lynch votes due by Monday night at 8

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 09:49 AM

Great. This gets better. Vince covers up his tracks so RealDeal can't back me up....then again, not like anyone would believe him (or me) now.

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 09:55 AM

Why would RealDeal lie about who he gave the coat to if he was a villager?

Even when I've tried to come up with scenarios where you aren't a wolf it depended on RealDeal lying.

Mr. Wednesday · 08-13-2005, 09:57 AM

I think our path is clear today.

Vote Raiders Army

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 10:00 AM

Would take something overwhelming to steer me in another direction.

Vote Raiders Army

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 10:16 AM

My case against Vince since these posts are buried in the pages. Note that I put the post # by them and I quoted him ENTIRELY:

Post #1004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

So you are the notebook man? Between you and Bug, we've got an awful lot of "I know xxx" going around.

Here Vince says he doesn't know who has the notebook.

Post #1073

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

So now the Wolves have a sabre of duels AND the coat of arms (if RealDeal is to be believed)? Ay...what a disastrous night. Give me a minute to update my info here, and I'll see what I can do about clearing you, RA.

Clears me. ROTFLMAO. After he posts this, I go home from work thinking "hunky dory".

Post #1086

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince

Well, I'm running late, and I agree with hoopsguy -- this is a pivotal vote. I wanted to try to figure out who the second werewolf was before posting this...but since I'm on the way out and I might be killed tonight, it needs to be put out in the open.

I own the Notebook. It was passed to me yesterday, and I used it that night to track the Coat of Arms. This is where things get interesting.

RealDeal is telling the truth -- he passed the Coat of Arms to Henry. Henry was killed, so the coat of arms was lost to the wolves, however...the notebook also allows me to see where the item ended up...

...which is with Raiders Army.

Even though he has the coat of arms and it's a wasted vote, I haven't been able to draw out the other wolf, so I vote for Raiders Army.

I am going to pass the notebook on to someone who I think is a villager tonight, so that in case I die, it remains in the game -- it is a quite valuable item, in my opinion.

Good luck gentlemen, and godspeed.

Here he says he has the notebook and he knows I got the coat. He points the finger to me so he can knock me off. Very good ploy...no, in fact, it's an excellent plan. You got everyone to pile on me in the last hours when I left work. Nice pick of the guy who wanted to frame as well. I post a lot, but didn't yesterday due to my workload...of course, you didn't know I wouldn't post a lot yesteday, but my numerous postings in this thread make me a suspect.

If I could shake your hand I would. Great job.

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

There are two wolves. If RealDeal turns out to be a wolf, then the other wolf (Raiders is my vehement claim for that role) would be fuming that he is now alone because RealDeal voted for himself.

It stinks out loud that a villager would basically marginalize himself in mid-game. But it is even worse if a wolf would do it since they always have big numbers against them.

Yeah, this argument is really valid now. I was absolutely fuming that RealDeal voted for himself. That's why I "turned" on my fellow wolf.

/sarcasm

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Would take something overwhelming to steer me in another direction.

Vote Raiders Army

Please see your quote above. Do you think your logic may be flawed somewhat? I guess RealDeal's death was good for me in the fact that I can point out you're wrong this time.

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 10:26 AM

Are you suggesting he doesn't have the Notebook? If so, how would he have known that you had the coat? RealDeal - a now confirmed villager - said he passed it to Henry.

For us to believe you we have to accept that
1.) A known villager lied about who he passed his item to
2.) A wolf would have knowledge of you having the item

Seems a lot easier to believe you are the bad guy.

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 10:34 AM

Raiders, I spent about 50 posts last night saying I thought you were a wolf and RealDeal was a village. The quote you pulled in Post #1192 is way out of context - was responding to someone who thought you guys might both be wolves.

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Are you suggesting he doesn't have the Notebook? If so, how would he have known that you had the coat? RealDeal - a now confirmed villager - said he passed it to Henry.

For us to believe you we have to accept that
1.) A known villager lied about who he passed his item to
2.) A wolf would have knowledge of you having the item

Seems a lot easier to believe you are the bad guy.

I'm not saying he doesn't have the notebook. Obviously he does. RealDeal said he passed it to henry.

Do you see a pattern here?

henry killed--can corroborate speaking to me via the robe
RealDeal killed--can corroborate passing the coat to me (although who knows what he would say)

The wolves killed henry. The wolves killed RealDeal. If Vince is a wolf, wouldn't he be the perfect person to frame me?

Raiders Army · 08-13-2005, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Raiders, I spent about 50 posts last night saying I thought you were a wolf and RealDeal was a village. The quote you pulled in Post #1192 is way out of context - was responding to someone who thought you guys might both be wolves.

I don't understand how I pulled it out of context. I quoted you completely. Please elucidate.

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 11:19 AM

Very well. The post you quoted is #1145.

We had been extended the extra forty-five minutes because of the late-breaking tie. Schmidty, EaglesFan, and RealDeal were all online. Each of them had a vote on RealDeal that I was trying to get switched to you. RealDeal responded that he was not switching his vote off of himself.

At that point Eagles said he was pretty sure you were a wolf but he thought that RealDeal might be one as well. And that even if he was not that RealDeal wasn't an asset to the villagers.

Here was one of my replies, Post #1137

Quote:

Schmidty - by all means turn up the heat on me if RealDeal is a werewolf. I will have earned it.

I'm much more convinced that Raiders is a wolf than I am that RealDeal is a villager. But I think it is better than 50% likely Real is a villager who doesn't give a damn about the villagers winning. And I think it is just about 0% chance that Real is the sorceror.

I then said this in Post #1140

Quote:

It is hard for me to try and twist your arm into voting for someone that won't vote to save himself.

I'm just hoping that the other wolf is even more pissed with him than I am right now.

Some conversation ensued between Eagles, Schmidty, and I about what I was implying with the above quote. That is where I gave the quote you list about the two of you possibly being wolves. But anyone who takes the time to read the posts from yesterday afternoon/evening will see that you are really reaching here.

hoopsguy · 08-13-2005, 11:29 AM

Assuming that Raiders is lynched and that he is a wolf, the biggest threat to the villagers going forward is the sorceror being converted to a wolf.

The sorceror doesn't have a way to accumulate the six silver other than by not having items. So the remaining wolf will have to get silver through kills and pass it to him.

Again, assuming that Raiders is a wolf and we are down to our last remaining wolf I think it makes sense that anyone who has been accumulating silver make a purchase after the lynching. Better to give the last wolf an item rather than silver at this point. Since the purchase goes down during the activation phase, and that follows the eat phase, this won't help for the next night. But it should going forward.

I'm less sure about this strategy if there are still two wolves after the Monday lynching.

Eaglesfan27 · 08-13-2005, 12:09 PM

I'm a little surprised that the wolves ate RealDeal, but I think the evidence is strong.

I vote Raiders Army.

08-12-2005, 08:00 PM	#1155
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Err, I meant in a previous game, not a previous vote in this game. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-12-2005, 08:01 PM	#1156
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Alright I am tired, I meant I think RealDeal is a crazy wolf. Not Raiders. I think he is a wolf, but he has been generally shrewd. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-12-2005, 08:55 PM	#1165
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I also found that post quite funny __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-12-2005, 09:14 PM	#1166
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I have never mislead the villagers. Every post I have made is true or I believed it to be true at the time I made it. I have never taken any actions with passing or not passing items that would purposefully harm my team. I did pass items to Henry, but I didn't know he would die. I do want to be vindicated, but I have never once claimed to be a wolf. I would have been suspected whether I had asked to be killed or not. But that is not my fault. Edit: to be clear, I don't want to die for the sake of dying. I want to be shown a villager to be validated in the fact that I was singled out from the start for reasons that were bad faith or not objectively reasonable even within the context of the game. If people will acknowledge, at a minimum, that Blade's reasoning for fingering me at the beginning was, at best, loopy, then I am happy. Last edited by RealDeal : 08-12-2005 at 09:17 PM.

08-12-2005, 09:54 PM	#1171
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Can someone give me a Cliff notes version of the past 8 hours? __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-12-2005, 07:55 PM	#1151
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Eagles, build me a case where Raiders gets the Coat without being a wolf. I confirm that I passed the Notebook to Vince. Vince used the Notebook to detect the Coat. RealDeal says he passed the Coat to Henry. Henry is dead, wolves get his item. The sorcerer does not know who the wolves are. So you would have to think that Real, Vince, and I are playing together to set up this little drama to frame Raiders. Or you can believe that at least Vince and I are playing it straight, regardless of your thoughts on RealDeal. Finally, if RealDeal is a wolf then why would he pass the Coat of Arms last night? To give it to Raiders when Real was on the lynching block - so he could be lynched in one day instead of two? Does that sound like a wolf play?

08-12-2005, 07:56 PM	#1152
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	It's a bird! It's a plane! It's .... Superman=#54!

08-12-2005, 08:00 PM	#1154
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Looking at my argument, I guess that Vince could be a wolf and I passed him the Notebook. He is now outing Raiders, who is a villager I suspected. That is a scenario I can concoct where this turns out wrong. He could be telling the truth about Raiders ending up with the item because Real passed it to him in the night. And it would take us two days to lynch Raiders, who in this scenario is an innocent villager, while the wolves eat each night. But you have to trust someone - I've thrown my lot behind Vince.

08-12-2005, 08:01 PM	#1157
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Wow. A lot happened while I watched that movie and the storm passed.

08-12-2005, 08:04 PM	#1158
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	As I read this, it's too late to appeal to anyone. I'm too tired at this point to argue, so I'll wait until tomorrow morning to defend myself.

08-12-2005, 08:23 PM	#1160
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	In my Post #1154 scenario where I tried to concoct a scenario where Raiders is innocent this would imply that Real is a wolf who lied about his pass to Henry, instead passing it to an innocent Raiders. He would then need Vince to say that he used the Notebook - perhaps Vince was converted to sorcerer last night after I passed it? Or was a wolf when I passed it to him? Then can only count on this play if Vince is now evil. And if Vince is the Sorceror then he doesn't know who the wolves are, so they could not have talked about this strategy. But does anyone think that Real is playing that type of game with his 'Kill me' attitude? And drawing all kinds of attention to himself yesterday in the Blade dust-up? I'm having to work really hard to come up with any scenarios for Raiders. Maybe he will have a better argument to save himself tomorrow morning.

08-12-2005, 08:44 PM	#1163
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	RealDeal - the rest of the villagers are trying to kill wolves, not get themselves run out of the game. Make you a deal - if you are a villager, and play the game trying to help the villagers, then we'll go ahead and play one extra round after getting the wolves so we can all lynch you then. If Peregrine isn't up for that then I'll start another thread where we can lynch you. We can even let the dead people back in for the event - except Blade, out of respect for everything you've done for our cause.

08-12-2005, 09:27 PM	#1167
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Superman casts the deciding vote in favor of Raiders Army. Raiders Army has the Coat of Arms, which activates, so there is no lynch tonight! Night 5 Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager kingfc22 sundvls blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager Coffee Warlord Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf eaglesfan27 hoopsguy fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager schmidty dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager vince Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror RealDeal Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror Raiders Army Mr. Wednesday MrBug708 Superman=#54 ardent enthusiast Night actions in by tomorrow morning, we'll push back the next lynch deadline to Monday night at player request. I'll post the results of the night actions tomorrow.

08-12-2005, 10:04 PM	#1174
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Yeah, I know I can't vote yet. It's out there for the intimidation factor. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-12-2005, 10:06 PM	#1175
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	LOL I'm all for voting Raiders tomorrow unless he has a very convincing explanation. Since the coat is gone, my resistance to voting for him is gone too. I still think RealDeal must die after that, barring convincing evidence of someone else being the "other" wolf. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

08-12-2005, 10:11 PM	#1176
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	No argument here, Eagles. But we do have some time for night actions to kick in and to see what else can be stirred up. In the absence of good candidates I'm all for positioning RealDeal as the next-best available option. Heck, RealDeal is up for himself in this role.

08-13-2005, 05:11 AM	#1178
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Talk about a pretty big error if not true....

08-13-2005, 05:49 AM	#1180
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Vince, why the hell are you up right now? Beer Pong? Pretty coherent post if true... Im sure someone is going to end up dead...looks at Vince and his fangs sticking out

08-13-2005, 08:20 AM	#1181
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Our beloved moderator must have had a heck of a night. That or Raiders Army killed us all. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-13-2005, 08:29 AM	#1182
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Wake up at the asscrack of dawn for no reason, and the entertainment hasn't begun yet! Bah!

08-13-2005, 09:17 AM	#1183
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	Ugh, just rolled out of bed. Give me a while to look through the stack of PMs I have and I'll post the night action results (besides the result of me getting pretty drunk.)

08-13-2005, 09:35 AM	#1184
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	I win the prize. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

08-13-2005, 09:48 AM	#1186
Peregrine Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Cary, NC	The night is an anxious one, as terrifying screams that seem to last half the night are heard. In the morning, RealDeal is found, not so much torn apart as shredded. He was an innocent villager. Day 6 Lathum - Lynched Day 2 - villager kingfc22 sundvls blade6119 - Lynched Day 4 - villager Coffee Warlord Henry296 - killed Night 4 - villager BrianD - killed Night 3 - villager digamma - Lynched Day 3 - werewolf eaglesfan27 hoopsguy fouts - Poisoned and died Night 3 - villager schmidty dubb93 - killed Night 2 - villager vince Qwikshot - Lynched Day 1 - Sorceror RealDeal - Killed Night 5 - villager Jeff061 - Killed Night 1 - Sorceror Raiders Army Mr. Wednesday MrBug708 Superman=#54 ardent enthusiast Lynch votes due by Monday night at 8 Last edited by Peregrine : 08-13-2005 at 09:49 AM.

08-13-2005, 09:49 AM	#1187
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Great. This gets better. Vince covers up his tracks so RealDeal can't back me up....then again, not like anyone would believe him (or me) now.

08-13-2005, 09:55 AM	#1188
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Why would RealDeal lie about who he gave the coat to if he was a villager? Even when I've tried to come up with scenarios where you aren't a wolf it depended on RealDeal lying.

08-13-2005, 09:57 AM	#1189
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I think our path is clear today. Vote Raiders Army __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

08-13-2005, 10:00 AM	#1190
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Would take something overwhelming to steer me in another direction. Vote Raiders Army

08-13-2005, 10:26 AM	#1194
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Are you suggesting he doesn't have the Notebook? If so, how would he have known that you had the coat? RealDeal - a now confirmed villager - said he passed it to Henry. For us to believe you we have to accept that 1.) A known villager lied about who he passed his item to 2.) A wolf would have knowledge of you having the item Seems a lot easier to believe you are the bad guy.

08-13-2005, 10:34 AM	#1195
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Raiders, I spent about 50 posts last night saying I thought you were a wolf and RealDeal was a village. The quote you pulled in Post #1192 is way out of context - was responding to someone who thought you guys might both be wolves.

08-13-2005, 11:29 AM	#1199
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Assuming that Raiders is lynched and that he is a wolf, the biggest threat to the villagers going forward is the sorceror being converted to a wolf. The sorceror doesn't have a way to accumulate the six silver other than by not having items. So the remaining wolf will have to get silver through kills and pass it to him. Again, assuming that Raiders is a wolf and we are down to our last remaining wolf I think it makes sense that anyone who has been accumulating silver make a purchase after the lynching. Better to give the last wolf an item rather than silver at this point. Since the purchase goes down during the activation phase, and that follows the eat phase, this won't help for the next night. But it should going forward. I'm less sure about this strategy if there are still two wolves after the Monday lynching.

08-13-2005, 12:09 PM	#1200
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	I'm a little surprised that the wolves ate RealDeal, but I think the evidence is strong. I vote Raiders Army. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

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