Werewolf LXXXVIII: Game Thread

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Considering you never see my side on anything even when I am good and am right (which may or may not be the case here), I don't really consider I'll ever convince you of anything, even if it was to tell you that you were on fire when your pantsleg was burning.

I am not grandstanding, I just don't think the cute tie-game play is really cute, I think it is counterproductive and not helpful actually.

well it's not like you all have a smoking gun or anything. frankly regardless of whether you are angels or not you ought to be thankful people are voting with you.

[Danny]

Dont think the double up was really necessary ugg

[Tyrith]

Efficiency at work.

WORK ON WALLS
WORK ON WALLS

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Considering you never see my side on anything even when I am good and am right (which may or may not be the case here), I don't really consider I'll ever convince you of anything, even if it was to tell you that you were on fire when your pantsleg was burning.

I am not grandstanding, I just don't think the cute tie-game play is really cute, I think it is counterproductive and not helpful actually.

But he's right. You and Real Deal pretty much remove any possibility of a tie. Your presence that is. And that was before JE's votes.

There would have to be a concerted effort to save hoops now, and I just don't see enough evidence to fight that, even if I chose to put my vote elsewhere.

[Danny]

And now two more points on the walls? I think there are some misplays in actions here.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Considering you never see my side on anything even when I am good and am right (which may or may not be the case here), I don't really consider I'll ever convince you of anything, even if it was to tell you that you were on fire when your pantsleg was burning.

I am not grandstanding, I just don't think the cute tie-game play is really cute, I think it is counterproductive and not helpful actually.

ANd of course your high and mighty do this or you're spirit suffers line is so much more appealing. Damnit alan stop being a fuckwit and at least try and give us a real valid reason to listen to you. You're holier than thou (no pun intended here) attitude in these last few pages is enough to make me vomit, wether your right or not.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Efficiency at work.

WORK ON WALLS
WORK ON WALLS

Thank you. Color me paranoid, but three was not enough, IMO, when all three are uncleared. You're not cleared either, but no way in heck five actions somehow "disappear".

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well it's not like you all have a smoking gun or anything. frankly regardless of whether you are angels or not you ought to be thankful people are voting with you.

If people don't want to vote with me, fine so be it. They should at least give a reason why other than the random comments people have made of ugh, umph, igh, oogh and then votes just to keep it close or tie it without a reason.

I partially feel sad that Hoops will be lynched because he was participating in the conversation at least and giving reasons for stuff (whether or not he was honest about them I guess we will see)..

If anything, I think over the last hour I have become more convinced that this is the right play. So I guess I'll either go down in flames (literally) or I'll be right here.

[Danny]

No reason to put two more points on the walls. If you feel like all 3 people were going to fake, why not just put 1 point and then a point on the roof?

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE JEHEINZ
VOTE PACKERFANATIC

[hoopsguy]

I think that move was futile, but I would certainly welcome a bail out.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ANd of course your high and mighty do this or you're spirit suffers line is so much more appealing. Damnit alan stop being a fuckwit and at least try and give us a real valid reason to listen to you. You're holier than thou (no pun intended here) attitude in these last few pages is enough to make me vomit, wether your right or not.

Now, be fair. Alan laid out some reasoning for his votes. Frankly, he has a lot more to back his hoops' vote, IMO, then you did on RD yesterday, and you locked on RD just as bad.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ANd of course your high and mighty do this or you're spirit suffers line is so much more appealing. Damnit alan stop being a fuckwit and at least try and give us a real valid reason to listen to you. You're holier than thou (no pun intended here) attitude in these last few pages is enough to make me vomit, wether your right or not.

I'm done talking with you. This whole coming out cussing at me thing just because you never agree with me is what caused me to quit playing before. (Not just you doing it, but you, Goldeneagle and LSG). I'm not insulting you or DT or anyone else, I don't need the same back at me. I said what I feel, that this is a game that requires people to provide reasons for doing stuff. I have gone on way too much on my reasons for things.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, yeah, and the personal attack on Alan == really not cool, dude (I know you get emotional, though--is this the return of the Render original? ).

[hoopsguy]

Boom goes the dynamite?

[hoopsguy]

Short of a duke, I think I'm done.

Chalk up #2.

[Barkeep49]

I have as a final count:

PF – Jackal (665), Pass (724), Pass (724), KWhit (769), Hoops (810)
Pass – Jackal (665), Packer (691), Render (773)
Heinz – CR (770), CR (770), DT (779)
Hoops – Heniz (687), Danny (729), Danny (729), JE (787), JE (787), DT (779), Alan (799), Alan (799), Real (800), Real (800)

Walls – Hoops (655), Packer (657), Heinz (686), Tyrith (803), Tyrith (803)
Capentry – Kwhit (754)
Roof – Render (783)

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, getting a gut vibe on something. Doesn't affect this vote, and I won't get the information I need from BK. And I can't speak of it right now. But if it turns out right, I'll point to this post as evidence of my greatness.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm done talking with you. This whole coming out cussing at me thing just because you never agree with me is what caused me to quit playing before. (Not just you doing it, but you, Goldeneagle and LSG). I'm not insulting you or DT or anyone else, I don't need the same back at me. I said what I feel, that this is a game that requires people to provide reasons for doing stuff. I have gone on way too much on my reasons for things.

*sigh* thank you for finally doing what you should have shut up and done long ago, put your votes where your mouth is.

why did it take a screaming match to get that to happen?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RendeR

*sigh* thank you for finally doing what you should have shut up and done long ago, put your votes where your mouth is.

why did it take a screaming match to get that to happen?

Seemed to be obvious reasons for why they wanted to wait. They probably shouldn't have put it the way they did, but there were advantages if they didn't have to vote.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

*sigh* thank you for finally doing what you should have shut up and done long ago, put your votes where your mouth is.

why did it take a screaming match to get that to happen?

The spiritual help thing, ya know? We don't know what it really is, but I don't think it's bull.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Oh, yeah, and the personal attack on Alan == really not cool, dude (I know you get emotional, though--is this the return of the Render original? ).

SOrry cheif, if you don't liike me, put me on ignore. I'm not going to sit by and read the tripe Alan posts which I find insulting in general because he feels he's right and anyone who says otherwise is "causing problems".

Its not his factsI disagree with, its the way he comes across on the posts. Its like listening to (for lack of a better example) a born again bible thumping overzealous preacher. "I'm telling you this is how it is and you must do this or you'll burn in hell"

Its ridiculous, especially when he tries to blame everyone else for forcing him to put his votes where his mouth is. Which he finally did. Would have saved a lot of bad feelings if he;d just done that to begin with.

[Barkeep49]

GAH! Accidently just deleted teh lynch post. Sorry.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

GAH! Accidently just deleted teh lynch post. Sorry.

Keep doing it until we get a good result!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Danny

Seemed to be obvious reasons for why they wanted to wait. They probably shouldn't have put it the way they did, but there were advantages if they didn't have to vote.

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The spiritual help thing, ya know? We don't know what it really is, but I don't think it's bull.

Sorry guys, this is werewolf not sunday morning prayers. I don't give anyone blind faith. You want cooperationfrom me you best have an open book of reasons.

[RealDeal]

Seriously, Render, if you turn out to be a villager at the end of this game, I'm going to wonder what on earth you've been trying to do this entire game.

If you believe we are angels, then why would you be so insistent we burn our votes, when we've given as much explanation as we possibly could as to why we preferred to not have to vote this round?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

Keep doing it until we get a good result!

Sorry, you would need to change it to another player to get what most of us would consider a good result.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Danny

Seemed to be obvious reasons for why they wanted to wait. They probably shouldn't have put it the way they did, but there were advantages if they didn't have to vote.

Please note that THIS is indeed the reason for this whole confrontation. I can't help it if other people are just like me and screw up HOW they deliver a message.

[Danny]

I'll be disappointed if my primary reason for making the vote I did (angels going elsewhere) is wasted and we lynched a villager.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

SOrry cheif, if you don't liike me, put me on ignore. I'm not going to sit by and read the tripe Alan posts which I find insulting in general because he feels he's right and anyone who says otherwise is "causing problems".

Its not his factsI disagree with, its the way he comes across on the posts. Its like listening to (for lack of a better example) a born again bible thumping overzealous preacher. "I'm telling you this is how it is and you must do this or you'll burn in hell"

Its ridiculous, especially when he tries to blame everyone else for forcing him to put his votes where his mouth is. Which he finally did. Would have saved a lot of bad feelings if he;d just done that to begin with.

Has nothing to do with like, it has to do with being more respectful. Okay, you don't like his posting style or how he sometimes locks into whatever his opinion of a situation is. Not a reason to call someone a fuckwit.

I don't ignore people. I think babies ignore people, hiding their heads in the sand. I do challenge people, especially when they're being insulting.

Alan stated his reasons for his call for votes on hoops publically, and also stated why he didn't put his votes down himself right away. Whether you agree or disagree with those reasons, he DOES have his reasons, which he has given, and they are legitimate and logical (even if I lean toward him being wrong).

[hoopsguy]

You would be disappointed? Hmm ...

[Barkeep49]

The voices of those who claim to be from above, tell you not to trust the Shepard. At first people aren't sure what to do. But after some debate and thought, they decide to trust those voices. As though that weren't enough there are some extra weight given to the voices against the shepard.

"I will go quietly," the Shepard says as he makes his way to the noose. "But I think you," and here hoops points at Pass, "want to vote for me." Pass stands there enraptured and can only nod his head in agreement. "Good. With that done, I hope you enjoy the final gift from my friend Alastor."

And at that moment, not only does hoop drop dead, but so does your merchant, Pass, and minstrel, Alan.

Originally Posted by hoops' PM

The Shepard was such a good sort, until you corrupted him. He would have even had been able to perform extra work on the cathedral. Too bad for him.

As Lucifer you may freely communicate with your counterpart, Gabriel (aka redacted), though please copy me. You may not vote for Gabriel until at least 2 non-demons have done so and the Rules state you may not reveal who Gabriel is to anyone either directly or indirectly. As Lucifer you have the ultimate power in deciding who shall perform the kill and who the kill shall be and must PM me with the decision. Since, it may not be Gabriel, the PM, as long as you’re alive, must come from you. You may use your evil influence to sway people. Four times during the game you may cause a person to change either the area they are working on or the person they are voting for. You can only change a vote to a different vote or work area to a different area. Finally, if the Duke attempts to kill you, it will backfire and cause the Duke to die instead.

You may also freely communicate with your fellow demons, redacted.

Originally Posted by pass' PM

You travel from town to town. But you would never have dreamed of missing this Bonanza. So many people converging on one place is a dream come true. Plus they should have money to spend, which means you can charge twice your normal rate. Ahh it’s good to be you. But that isn’t always true. Carrying around supplies and money from town to town has meant that you’ve had to learn how to protect yourself. You have become so good at it you may also protect others.

As the bodyguard you may choose one person each night to keep safe from demonic attack. You may not guard the same person a second time until you have guarded until at least half the people who were alive when you first guarded that person are dead (so if there were 12 players in the game at the time you guarded you may not guard that person until there are 6 or fewer players in the game). Finally, if you are one of the final two players alive along with a Demon, you will kill the demon.

Originally Posted by Alan's PM

As the angel Seraph you have always been a fan of music and so you choose the body of the minstrel to occupy. He is so alive with song. You just love it. Upon occupying his body you are confident that he would have been able to use his way with words to avoid death by lynching or night kill one time. You are not sure you have quite mastered this ability, yet so you cannot count on it saving you. Though with time you might come to be able to use the words as well as the minstrel.

redacted

Your fellow angels are redacted. You may communicate freely with them, though you are asked to copy me on the communication.

redacted

As Seraph twice during the game if you work on one thing (may be either the Cathedral or the Spirtual Health) you will accomplish a bonus unit of work, e.g. 3 shifts of work rather than 2. You may not use this power in consecutive days.

PF – Jackal (665), KWhit (769), Hoops (810)
Pass – Jackal (665), Packer (691), Render (773)
Heinz – CR (770), CR (770), DT (779)
Hoops – Heniz (687), Danny (729), Danny (729), JE (787), JE (787), DT (779), Alan (799), Alan (799), Real (800), Real (800), Pass, Pass, Unknown 1, Unknown 2

Walls – Hoops (655), Packer (657), Heinz (686), Tyrith (803), Tyrith (803)
Capentry – Kwhit (754)
Roof – Render (783)

Walls - Repaired
Roof - 6 shifts
Windows - 7 shifts
Artwork - Repaired
Carpentry - Repaired

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Sorry guys, this is werewolf not sunday morning prayers. I don't give anyone blind faith. You want cooperationfrom me you best have an open book of reasons.

Yesterday, you argued Occam's Razor in your attempt to lynch Real Deal, but today, you want us to buy the most unlikely of massive conspiracy theories that Alan and Real Deal are demons who are lying?

Got it.

[Danny]

Sweet, we did get the demon. Why did we lose two people though?

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by RealDeal

Seriously, Render, if you turn out to be a villager at the end of this game, I'm going to wonder what on earth you've been trying to do this entire game.

If you believe we are angels, then why would you be so insistent we burn our votes, when we've given as much explanation as we possibly could as to why we preferred to not have to vote this round?

THere is enough BS floating around in the game without you two adding to it. If you're angels and you expect everyone to believe it (as I do for the most part) then stop with the cloak and dagger bullshit and state your case.

Neither of you made a REAL case against hoops today, why are you even moderatly surprised people are reacting badly to your unwillingness to take action on your own suspicions?

[Chief Rum]

Awesome. Down goes Lucifer. Never happier I was wrong. Sorry I didn't buy in, Alan. Completely understand if the lynch mob comes after me next.

[RealDeal]

Whew. So relieved we were right.

[Danny]

Hoops, you are a heck of a wolf btw. I'm glad I relied solely on logic and not on my gut.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yesterday, you argued Occam's Razor in your attempt to lynch Real Deal, but today, you want us to buy the most unlikely of massive conspiracy theories that Alan and Real Deal are demons who are lying?

Got it.

Stop twisting my words, I never said ANYTHING like that CR. Why are you trying to create more problems?

[RealDeal]

And the answer to the people dropping dead issue is that Alastor is one of the demons.

[Danny]

I still don't understand why two people died, was that the night action?

[Chief Rum]

Aw, crap, just read the hoops PM mostly at first. Now, re-reading it, I am thinking we're fooked.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Stop twisting my words, I never said ANYTHING like that CR. Why are you trying to create more problems?

Why would Alan and Real Deal have lied about that unless they were demons?

And, now, of course, Alan is proven to be an Angel. Well done, Mr. Cleared Villager.

[RendeR]

ALan and RD were right, good. Ifthey'd simply taken the stand themselves right away there wouldn't have been an issue at all.

its the self defeating "I won't tell you anything I don't want to" crap that keeps alan and I from ever seeing eye to eye. It doesn't have to be james fucking bond scenes in this game, its not that damned convoluted.

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Danny

Hoops, you are a heck of a wolf btw. I'm glad I relied solely on logic and not on my gut.

Clearly bummed by the result, but had fun playing and hope to enjoy reading along with the rest of the game.

Thanks for the kind words, btw.

[Danny]

Hmm, I think we are ok actually.

11 players, 2 demons, 2 angels and 7 villagers most likely. we're ok there. And I think tomorrow I would have gone after Pass, so I am glad he is at least one of the two that was killed.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by RendeR

ALan and RD were right, good. Ifthey'd simply taken the stand themselves right away there wouldn't have been an issue at all.

its the self defeating "I won't tell you anything I don't want to" crap that keeps alan and I from ever seeing eye to eye. It doesn't have to be james fucking bond scenes in this game, its not that damned convoluted.

Let's drop it and actually you know play the game?

[RealDeal]

I'm probably dead tonight, so I will give you my final words on who I think is suspicious in a few minutes.

[Danny]

I feel better about Kwhit now. I was pretty sure one wolf was between the two of them, but I don't think two wolves make that mid-late vote on Telle.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Hmm, I think we are ok actually.

11 players, 2 demons, 2 angels and 7 villagers most likely. we're ok there. And I think tomorrow I would have gone after Pass, so I am glad he is at least one of the two that was killed.

But we have lost both the BG and the Seer, and RD is almost certainly dead tonight. And we still don't really have a clue who the demons are.

I can make some educated guesses. I am on the short list, actually, among those uncleared who are left.