WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER

[hoopsguy]

I'm all for having at least a little doubt on who Dubb and PB are going to scan in order to make the wolves think harder about their NK orders.

My thoughts on being scanned remain the same - if the seer wants me scanned then go for it.

[Tyrith]

Which just means hoops is cunning, like he's always wanted :P

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Which just means hoops is cunning, like he's always wanted :P

If hoops is cunning I will find out tonight. He can't hide from my scan.

[hoopsguy]

And when I come up clean, then I'm the cultist. I understand how this works.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

And when I come up clean, then I'm the cultist. I understand how this works.

, if you come up clean I will have to assume you are just that.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

And when I come up clean, then I'm the cultist. I understand how this works.

I think it's more likely you are the cultist then a wolf this game.

[dubb93]

My scan order is in. I'm off to bed, have work bright and early in the morning.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by dubb93

If hoops is cunning I will find out tonight. He can't hide from my scan.

Ah, yeah, that's true. He'd probably be really unhappy if his only chance to be a cunning gets blasted through like that :P

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Well, crap. Knew it was a little too over the top (his nonvotes), but I didn't really feel we had much else to go on. Hindsight blah blah blah.

Martin's gonna be annoyed when he gets up. Sorry Martin.

Not really - I'm still pretty new to this game, and it's obvious in hindsight that I made a mistake. I tend to be a bit blunt with some of the things I say, and my last post from yesterday is a pretty good example of that.

For what it's worth, I probably wouldn't have gone as far with my last post from yesterday if I had been a wolf - I remember my first game, where I was running everything I posted through a 'would I post this as a villager' filter before hitting 'submit'...

Good luck villagers.

[Barkeep49]

The morning comes and much to your surprise and happiness everyone who was at the convention yesterday is still there today.

[PurdueBrad]

I'm guessing they got the cultist OR our BG got a block as I did not get a block.

I scanned Tyrith last night and he came back as a villager. Again, I wouldn't mind having the 'other' seer come back through and either hit Tyrith or re-scan whoever dubb scanned to calibrate their results.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm guessing they got the cultist OR our BG got a block as I did not get a block.

I scanned Tyrith last night and he came back as a villager. Again, I wouldn't mind having the 'other' seer come back through and either hit Tyrith or re-scan whoever dubb scanned to calibrate their results.

Yea, I didn't scan Hoops. I scanned Saldana. Saldana is a villager. Figured I would channel the spirit of BG PB by claiming I was doing one thing and end up doing something else to see if the wolves slip up.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm guessing they got the cultist OR our BG got a block as I did not get a block.

I scanned Tyrith last night and he came back as a villager. Again, I wouldn't mind having the 'other' seer come back through and either hit Tyrith or re-scan whoever dubb scanned to calibrate their results.

PB, do you get to do both actions each night or just one?

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yea, I didn't scan Hoops. I scanned Saldana. Saldana is a villager. Figured I would channel the spirit of BG PB by claiming I was doing one thing and end up doing something else to see if the wolves slip up.

I was hoping you would do just that and you actually scanned one of the two I would've looked at. Nicely done sir.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Racer

PB, do you get to do both actions each night or just one?

I get to do both, so life is lots of fun right now!

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'm guessing they got the cultist OR our BG got a block as I did not get a block.

I scanned Tyrith last night and he came back as a villager. Again, I wouldn't mind having the 'other' seer come back through and either hit Tyrith or re-scan whoever dubb scanned to calibrate their results.

Without the other BG revealing as I don't think he would even know if he got a block according to the rules, I wouldn't be shocked if the wolves took a shot at you last night hoping the other BG wouldn't be protecting you. Assuming you are not the false seer I believe the risk would have probably been worth the reward, if they take a shot at you and you are unprotected they eliminate every seer from the game from my understanding of the rules.

[hoopsguy]

OK, so can we get a recap on who is trusted and why at this point? If no one has done one by the time I get to work today I'll start putting this together but I'm going to have to do some re-reading on Day 2 to make sure I've got it covered.

[PurdueBrad]

dubb, which way would you like to go today:

A- believe that Saldana is the duke

B- pick one of the uncleared players and believe them as a vanilla villager

Thoughts?

[PurdueBrad]

For trust:

1 Dubb
2 Saldana


3 Tyrith
4 Chief Rum
5 PurdueBrad

6 The rest

Did I miss anyone there?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

dubb, which way would you like to go today:

A- believe that Saldana is the duke

B- pick one of the uncleared players and believe them as a vanilla villager

Thoughts?

I'm not sure I understand why we would want to believe an uncleared player as a vanilla villager. This would mean that they could not be voted out for three days.

[PurdueBrad]

Hoops wanted reasoning as well, I think:

Dubb- Duke
Saldana- Dubb scanned him and his scans are definitely good

Tyrith- I scanned last night
CR- I scanned the night before last
PB- Could be fake seer, could be making a wolf play

The rest- Yeah, you know who you are, there are wolves among you!

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm not sure I understand why we would want to believe an uncleared player as a vanilla villager. This would mean that they could not be voted out for three days.

I just thought it stripped a wolf of their powers (if they were a wolf), never mind then. Christ I need to go back over all the roles again.

[PurdueBrad]

I'll throw this out there early then as today could be hectic for me as it is the last day of seniors at our high school and I teach about 90 of them.

believe Saldana is duke

[ntndeacon]

Believe Saldana is the brutal wolf

[ntndeacon]

The reasoning for the brutal wolf thing is that we get a "roled " member of the team opposite of Saldana, which seems sure to be a wolf.

[saldana]

a bit worried about the night result....hopefully a BG block and not a conversion.

Originally Posted by dubb93

Yea, I didn't scan Hoops. I scanned Saldana. Saldana is a villager. Figured I would channel the spirit of BG PB by claiming I was doing one thing and end up doing something else to see if the wolves slip up.

you scanned me! me! big shock there .

but now i feel bad that you'll have no outlet for your paranoid delusions about me for the rest of the game

<----very happy to be cleared, although likely dead tonight.

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I'll throw this out there early then as today could be hectic for me as it is the last day of seniors at our high school and I teach about 90 of them.

believe Saldana is duke

i think i have to claim the role before you can believe me for it...i have a packed morning, so i dont know if i will be back til after 1am est, so working from the assumption that this is general consensus

i am the duke.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops wanted reasoning as well, I think:

Dubb- Duke
Saldana- Dubb scanned him and his scans are definitely good

Tyrith- I scanned last night
CR- I scanned the night before last
PB- Could be fake seer, could be making a wolf play

The rest- Yeah, you know who you are, there are wolves among you!

I can believe the possibility of wolf play a little more today. This is exactly why I mentioned the vanilla villager rule the other day.

[ntndeacon]

Saldana claim the brutal wolf as well, if you would not mind.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

Saldana claim the brutal wolf as well, if you would not mind.

ntn, when I get a chance, I'll read back on this but may not be a bad idea at all if I remember correctly.

[PurdueBrad]

I have to do this anyway but I think ntn is dead on with his idea as well.

unbelieve Saldana is duke

[Barkeep49]

You can't believe someone before they claim the role. Therefore as of 878 there are no valid belief votes today.

[PurdueBrad]

Saldana, as ntn said, claim the role of brutal wolf and that nets us a wolf kill at least.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

dubb, which way would you like to go today:

I think we should believe Saldana as brutal today not the duke. If we believe Sal as duke that does nothing other than basically assure he is the night kill tonight. If we believe him as brutal we have a villager that if he dies he takes a wolf with him.

[Racer]

I'm going to try to get a recap of last night's late switches in a bit.

[Racer]

To Recap last night’s vote:

Final Lynch:
Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), Purdue (718), Tyrith (759), Schmidty (776), Danny (782)
Tyrith –Martin (682), saldana (704),
Danny – Lathum (669), Telle (710)
USFL – dubb (738), Racer (742 from Tyrith 708), Hoops (761), NTN (775)

Late vote changes (starting with Dubbs)
9:31- Dubb votes USFL (previous: Martin) - Vote: Martin 3, Tyrith 4, Danny 4, USFL 1
9:39 - Racer votes USFL (previous Tyrith) – Vote: Martin 3, Tyrith 3, Danny 4, USFL 2
9:51 - ntndeacon votes Martin (previous no vote) – Vote Martin 4, Tyrith 3, Danny 4, USFL 2
9:52 - Tyrith votes Martin (previous Danny) – Vote: Martin 5, Tyrith 3, Danny 3, USFL 2
9:53 – Hoops votes USFL (previous no vote) – Vote: Martin 5, Tyrith 3, Danny 3, USFL 3
9:56 – Danny votes USFL (previous Tyrith) – Vote: Martin 5, Tyrith 2, Danny 3, USFL 4
9:56 – ntndeacon votes USFL (previous Martin) – Vote: Martin 4, Tyrith 2, Danny 3, USFL 5
9:57 – Schmidty votes Martin (previous Danny) – Vote: Martin 5, Tyrith 2, Danny 2, USFL 5
9:58 Danny votes Martin (previous USFL) – Vote: Martin 6, Tyrith 2, Danny 2, USFL 4

Note: Lead changes highlighted in bold. Votes that resulted in a new tie for the lead highlighted in green.

[Racer]

To offer my own opinion on the vote switches, if USFL were bad, Schmidty's and Danny's late votes would look bad.

If USFL is good, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Another thing to consider is if Danny or Tyrith were bad (I know Tyrith came up good according to PurdueBrad but there's a 50/50 chance he's the fake seer if he's telling the truth).

[ntndeacon]

of course we may not get a chance to vote saldana brutal. He said he is out all day.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

of course we may not get a chance to vote saldana brutal. He said he is out all day.

Just a guess but I would think when he says 1am est he really means 1pm. I don't see him not casting a vote when he knows he will not be back until well after deadline.

[saldana]

i love teleconferences...i have been in meetings nonstop all morning, but now i am on the phone, i can ignore everything that doesnt have anyting to do with me

i like this plan.

i am the brutal wolf

[PurdueBrad]

Believe Saldana as brutal wolf

[Telle]

Believe saldana as brutal wolf.

[USFLTecmo]

I can work with the brutal theory.

As for last night, sat down, clicked the thread, and the female in my life demanded attention. Such is life with a wedding coming in less than 3 months. I'd like just once, though, for someone to suspect me nearer to the start of the day so that I can do some self-defense. Not that I'd do much, I'd take one for the team as a vanilla villager. (Pass point! )

[USFLTecmo]

BELIEVE SALDANA AS BRUTAL WOLF

I'll withhold a lynch vote until we have a candidate.

[hoopsguy]

BELIEVE SALDANA = BRUTAL WOLF

[Racer]

Believe Saldana as Brutal Wolf

[lerriuqs]

I like this plan.

Believe Saldana as Brutal

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Hoops wanted reasoning as well, I think:

Dubb- Duke
Saldana- Dubb scanned him and his scans are definitely good

Tyrith- I scanned last night
CR- I scanned the night before last
PB- Could be fake seer, could be making a wolf play

The rest- Yeah, you know who you are, there are wolves among you!

OK, just to play some devils advocate:

Dubb - presumed Duke, no seer scan to date? Now in position to clear others as believed seer

Saldana - cleared by Dubb, seems candidate to be the brutal now

PB - claimed seer, has not been countered (rules suggest that there would also be a fake seer, at very least). Has cleared Chief and Tyrith

CR - cleared by PB on N1

Tyrith - cleared by PB on N2


With the structure of this game, we have a ton of variables that should at least be getting some discussion in terms of our COT.
1.) Assuming PB = good then anyone cleared by him could still be either cultist or cunning
2.) Assuming Dubb = good then anyone cleared by him could still be cultist
3.) While the publishing of a COT is generally a good thing, the ramifications of a blown COT are greater here than just about any other game I've played since we are assigning additional role powers to the cleared.

I just want to make sure we understand our chains of trust so we can course-correct quickly if our list isn't as good as we would like.

[dubb93]

Believe Saldana as Brutal Wolf

[hoopsguy]

Also, if/when PB comes on - can you tell us if you had a successful block last night? The "real BG" would not be able to do so.

Starting: May choose a person each night to protect from a wolf kill. May protect the same person only once in a three night period. Does not learn if their guarding is successful or not.
If Believed: Will also gain the starting bodyguard abilities, if they don't already have them. Will learn if they successfully guarded a person. May protect the same person two nights in a row, one time, except himself.

Ideally, I would like to be in a position where we know if the cultist turned last night or if we got a block. PB will know, the real BG will not, and wolves + cultist will know if they added a man.

If PB can't shed light on this then I think we have to assume that the cultist got picked up.

[PurdueBrad]

BK- Sorry if this is a question I should assume I know the answer to but if the wolves attack the cultist on the same night that we choose to scan that person, would we get the results from before (villager) or after (wolf) that attack?