WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win! - Page 5

hoopsguy · 01-08-2009, 04:26 PM

6 - EagleFan - jeheinz (79), Abe Sargent (86), jeff061 (109), The Jackal (135), DT (189), Hoops (196)
5 - The Jackel - Barkeep (49), Jonathan Ezarik (103), Telle (147), EF (164), Danny (194)
2 - Grammaticus - RPI-Fan (51), Hannibal (98)
1 - Danny - Chief Rum (46)

Yet to vote: Grammaticus

hoopsguy · 01-08-2009, 04:27 PM

I'm guessing Chief Rum is not going to be changing his vote. I'm hoping that RPI and Hannibal at least consider doing so between now and the deadline given the lack of support for their candidate.

I may be out until deadline at this point.

Barkeep49 · 01-08-2009, 04:29 PM

I can say that CR will not be back before deadline based on his PM to me.

Barkeep49 · 01-08-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Feels the same way. FWIW, D1 is the only time I let meta-game stuff like that creep into my logic. But giving a one-day "welcome back" pass seems like a polite thing to do.

I agree that on D1 I try to avoid voting for someone who is returning to the game after an absence.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 04:35 PM

I see. So come tomorrow should I expect the "let's all pile on Jonathan" game? Bring it, suckas!!!

RPI-Fan · 01-08-2009, 04:36 PM

--I will be around until the deadline and ready to potentially change my vote... in other words, purposefully abstaining at the moment--

Barkeep49 · 01-08-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RPI-Fan

--I will be around until the deadline and ready to potentially change my vote... in other words, purposefully abstaining at the moment--

Why bring that pressure on yourself by potentially being the lynching vote on a villager?

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm guessing Chief Rum is not going to be changing his vote. I'm hoping that RPI and Hannibal at least consider doing so between now and the deadline given the lack of support for their candidate.

I may be out until deadline at this point.

i see no reasont o change... its not like there is any evidence....

Barkeep49 · 01-08-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

i see no reasont o change... its not like there is any evidence....

This is my philosophy on such matters.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

i see no reasont o change... its not like there is any evidence....

Will you consider switching your vote if needed to break a tie?

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:02 PM

Lynch me if you may but then what I see I can no longer say.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:08 PM

Is that a reveal?

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:11 PM

A forced into the corner one. I was hoping to not draw any attention but that is not happening now. I am probably dead tonight anyway if I'm not lynched now that I said it.

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 05:15 PM

Ugh.

Of course if he's lying the seer can't very well refute it or he's dead.

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 05:16 PM

Actually would have been better off saying nothing as the seer and pray for miracle, really. Right?

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Actually would have been better off saying nothing as the seer and pray for miracle, really. Right?

Probably right at this point but it would have taken a miracle with many saying they can't be on for the deadline.

Actually it probably didn't matter much anyway based on the one other time I was the seer.

The wolves happened to attack and kill my scan target each night rendering my scans useless.

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 05:24 PM

Eh whatever, if you are a wolf I may be dead for these quick comments

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I am not a seer people, just streaming thoughts out there. Would really suck if Eagle was, but this does kind of seem like an attempt to get the seer to unmask himself.

If not...

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:27 PM

I tend to believe the reveal, but if there is a seer out there, absolutely don't say anything.

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Eh whatever, if you are a wolf I may be dead for these quick comments

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I am not a seer people, just streaming thoughts out there. Would really suck if Eagle was, but this does kind of seem like an attempt to get the seer to unmask himself.

If not...

The seer did unmask himself, me. No sense in beating around the bush at this point. Here I am wolves, come and get me.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Will you consider switching your vote if needed to break a tie?

yes

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:34 PM

Sadly I don't think Jackal is the way to go today either, maybe it was his go Eagles comment...

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

Eh whatever, if you are a wolf I may be dead for these quick comments

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I am not a seer people, just streaming thoughts out there. Would really suck if Eagle was, but this does kind of seem like an attempt to get the seer to unmask himself.

If not...

My thoughts as well, but it also seems like a rather hasty attempt by a wolf to try to out the seer. Yes, EF is in danger of getting lynched, but we still haven't heard from Gramm and as it stands right now, only one person has to switch from EF to Jackal to change the results.

If I'm a wolf pulling a fake seer reveal, why do it now? There's no way the real seer is going to out him/herself this early.

If I'm the seer, why reveal this now? With 30 minutes to go before deadline there's still a lot of time for votes to be switched around without having to out yourself.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Sadly I don't think Jackal is the way to go today either, maybe it was his go Eagles comment...

What other option do you suggest, then?

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

My thoughts as well, but it also seems like a rather hasty attempt by a wolf to try to out the seer. Yes, EF is in danger of getting lynched, but we still haven't heard from Gramm and as it stands right now, only one person has to switch from EF to Jackal to change the results.

If I'm a wolf pulling a fake seer reveal, why do it now? There's no way the real seer is going to out him/herself this early.

If I'm the seer, why reveal this now? With 30 minutes to go before deadline there's still a lot of time for votes to be switched around without having to out yourself.

I agree. I see it more likely a Wolf making this play than the seer. The wolf at least has something to gain.

And now if we don't lynch Eagle, and the wolves let him go, all day tomorrow the discussion is going to be whether or not Eagle is the seer. W

It's a really tough spot.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:42 PM

The thing I don't like about the reveal is that there is a a a pretty good chance the BG won't be online to send in a protection for you, so it might have been better to not say anything.

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What other option do you suggest, then?

I really don't have a suggestion, it hasn't been past nightfall yet to give me any ideas.

Why reveal? Everyone on me seems rock solid and many can't even be here for the deadline.

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:46 PM

I don't understand this why reveal logic? I am about to be lynched so saying nothing causes the village to lose the role. Saying something at least gives us some kind of chance. Look closely at the votes on me at least, that should tell you something when you see that I am not fake revealing.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

And now if we don't lynch Eagle, and the wolves let him go, all day tomorrow the discussion is going to be whether or not Eagle is the seer. W

It's a really tough spot.

I really hope the wolves put us in that spot. It might sow confusion, but if he really is the seer it will at least give us one or two scans that can be confirmed after his death.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 05:48 PM

yeah, i buy it.

unvote gramticus
vote jackyl

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 05:49 PM

I hate no lynch, but were screwed if we lose the seer, if hes a live in 2 days hes a wolf... so what the hell!

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Look closely at the votes on me at least, that should tell you something when you see that I am not fake revealing.

It really doesn't tell us anything though. I'm not even trying to defend myself, that's fact.

And the only way your reveal helps us is if the BG protects you tonight. I had forgotten about that role during my earlier posts.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:50 PM

The wolves would be stupid not to kill EF if he survives the lynch. Whatever they could gain would not be worth giving him the opportunity to catch a wolf.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

I don't understand this why reveal logic? I am about to be lynched so saying nothing causes the village to lose the role. Saying something at least gives us some kind of chance. Look closely at the votes on me at least, that should tell you something when you see that I am not fake revealing.

My problem is the timing of the reveal. There was almost an hour until deadline when you made the "reveal". Why not wait a little bit longer and see what Gramm did. If he forced a tie, then RPI and Hannibal would have been on the block to break the tie. By waiting, you could have prevented the need for the reveal.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 05:53 PM

no reason to break the tie.... if hes alive in 2 days hes a wolf.... so whatever.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 05:54 PM

We're sitting on six votes for both EagleFan and the Jackal right now, correct? With about five minutes until deadline.

EagleFan · 01-08-2009, 05:55 PM

I'm out, not sure what is going to happen but my wife's car is stuck. Will be back to see what happened.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:57 PM

Gram still has his vote, I'm assuming he will be breaking the tie.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 05:59 PM

Or maybe not, he left the thread

Danny · 01-08-2009, 06:01 PM

Deadline

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 06:02 PM

Great. No lynch.

jeff061 · 01-08-2009, 06:02 PM

So, having been awhile. What is the general perception of ties.

I know this page will certainly be looked at carefully as events unfold, but we don't get anything out of it at least in the short term.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 06:04 PM

No lynch sucks, but it's wasn't worth the risk of lynching EF, if he is lying, we will find out. Should have lynched The Jackal at least to get something out of the votes.

Danny · 01-08-2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff061

So, having been awhile. What is the general perception of ties.

I know this page will certainly be looked at carefully as events unfold, but we don't get anything out of it at least in the short term.

Generally bad and people who caused the tie or failed to break it are not seen in a good light. Hannibal caused the tie, but myself, Jonathan and you were all here to potentially break it. I just didn't feel it was worth the risk of possibly killing the seer and I figured Gram would have made a vote for someone. I think in all of this, Gram might come out looking the worst for not breaking that tie or at least doing something.

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 06:07 PM

no lynches as a genrel rule suck, but we win in this case by not lynching EF
woulda been nice to lycnh jackyl.... but oh well... now at least we learn something is EF dies or not, unless the BG doesnt show up for a night action... then we are messed up!

Danny · 01-08-2009, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

no lynches as a genrel rule suck, but we win in this case by not lynching EF
woulda been nice to lycnh jackyl.... but oh well... now at least we learn something is EF dies or not, unless the BG doesnt show up for a night action... then we are messed up!

It's a 24 hour clock, so night actions were due at deadline?

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 06:08 PM

that being said.... itsup to the wolves now to decide to attack and hope hesnot protected or not attack someone else and hope they can get him tommmorow (unless hes a wolf!)

Hannibal Lecter · 01-08-2009, 06:10 PM

but this way we learn SOMETHING no matter what!

Danny · 01-08-2009, 06:10 PM

Only about a third of us were online to see his reveal, chances are good unfortunately that EF won't be protected.

Jonathan Ezarik · 01-08-2009, 06:12 PM

In the past I've been in favor of no lynches, but those are usually during inactive Day Ones. I think there's been enough action today to validate a day one lynching, and I feel like we really missed out today.

I'm going to be really surprised if EagleFan is killed tonight. I don't think the wolves are going to go after him. If he is the seer, he has a couple of nights of freedom.

So what does this mean to us? If EF lives and we get a scan, we're going to have to take it with a grain of salt. And of course, he could continue his bad luck of "scanning" the person the wolves kill. Either way, we can't fully trust EF until he is dead. This, of course, puts us at possibly a huge disadvantage, depending on how the wolves play this out.

And now we go into Day Two with almost as much information we had coming in today (i.e. almost none). Unless we catch a wolf tonight, then ignore everything I typed.

hoopsguy · 01-08-2009, 06:15 PM

Crap, was coming back to say that I thought I had the wrong side on this one.

On the car ride home I was worrying about the three roommate block, coupled with the innate desire people have shown to at least somewhat support their roommates.
- chances are better that there is a wolf in the three person group than any two person group
- the voting influence of the three person group, coupled with any "wolf backing" grows as we lose villagers to lynch/night kills

So I was going to change the vote over to Jackal. I knew there was an early deadline, but was hoping that I would be able to make it home in time to make the switch. I'm especially bummed about this after seeing a tie and the reveal.

01-08-2009, 04:36 PM	#206
RPI-Fan Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Troy, NY	--I will be around until the deadline and ready to potentially change my vote... in other words, purposefully abstaining at the moment-- __________________ Quis custodiets ipsos custodes?

01-08-2009, 05:15 PM	#214
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Ugh. Of course if he's lying the seer can't very well refute it or he's dead. __________________

01-08-2009, 05:16 PM	#215
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Actually would have been better off saying nothing as the seer and pray for miracle, really. Right? __________________

01-08-2009, 05:24 PM	#217
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Eh whatever, if you are a wolf I may be dead for these quick comments . I am not a seer people, just streaming thoughts out there. Would really suck if Eagle was, but this does kind of seem like an attempt to get the seer to unmask himself. If not... __________________

01-08-2009, 06:02 PM	#241
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	So, having been awhile. What is the general perception of ties. I know this page will certainly be looked at carefully as events unfold, but we don't get anything out of it at least in the short term. __________________

01-08-2009, 04:26 PM	#201
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	6 - EagleFan - jeheinz (79), Abe Sargent (86), jeff061 (109), The Jackal (135), DT (189), Hoops (196) 5 - The Jackel - Barkeep (49), Jonathan Ezarik (103), Telle (147), EF (164), Danny (194) 2 - Grammaticus - RPI-Fan (51), Hannibal (98) 1 - Danny - Chief Rum (46) Yet to vote: Grammaticus

01-08-2009, 04:27 PM	#202
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm guessing Chief Rum is not going to be changing his vote. I'm hoping that RPI and Hannibal at least consider doing so between now and the deadline given the lack of support for their candidate. I may be out until deadline at this point.

01-08-2009, 04:29 PM	#203
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I can say that CR will not be back before deadline based on his PM to me.

01-08-2009, 04:35 PM	#205
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I see. So come tomorrow should I expect the "let's all pile on Jonathan" game? Bring it, suckas!!!

01-08-2009, 05:02 PM	#211
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Lynch me if you may but then what I see I can no longer say.

01-08-2009, 05:08 PM	#212
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Is that a reveal?

01-08-2009, 05:11 PM	#213
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	A forced into the corner one. I was hoping to not draw any attention but that is not happening now. I am probably dead tonight anyway if I'm not lynched now that I said it.

01-08-2009, 05:27 PM	#218
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I tend to believe the reveal, but if there is a seer out there, absolutely don't say anything.

01-08-2009, 05:34 PM	#221
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Sadly I don't think Jackal is the way to go today either, maybe it was his go Eagles comment...

01-08-2009, 05:42 PM	#225
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	The thing I don't like about the reveal is that there is a a a pretty good chance the BG won't be online to send in a protection for you, so it might have been better to not say anything.

01-08-2009, 05:46 PM	#227
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I don't understand this why reveal logic? I am about to be lynched so saying nothing causes the village to lose the role. Saying something at least gives us some kind of chance. Look closely at the votes on me at least, that should tell you something when you see that I am not fake revealing.

01-08-2009, 05:48 PM	#229
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	yeah, i buy it. unvote gramticus vote jackyl

01-08-2009, 05:49 PM	#230
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	I hate no lynch, but were screwed if we lose the seer, if hes a live in 2 days hes a wolf... so what the hell!

01-08-2009, 05:50 PM	#232
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	The wolves would be stupid not to kill EF if he survives the lynch. Whatever they could gain would not be worth giving him the opportunity to catch a wolf.

01-08-2009, 05:53 PM	#234
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	no reason to break the tie.... if hes alive in 2 days hes a wolf.... so whatever.

01-08-2009, 05:54 PM	#235
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	We're sitting on six votes for both EagleFan and the Jackal right now, correct? With about five minutes until deadline.

01-08-2009, 05:55 PM	#236
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I'm out, not sure what is going to happen but my wife's car is stuck. Will be back to see what happened.

01-08-2009, 05:57 PM	#237
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Gram still has his vote, I'm assuming he will be breaking the tie.

01-08-2009, 05:59 PM	#238
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Or maybe not, he left the thread

01-08-2009, 06:01 PM	#239
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Deadline

01-08-2009, 06:02 PM	#240
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Great. No lynch.

01-08-2009, 06:04 PM	#242
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	No lynch sucks, but it's wasn't worth the risk of lynching EF, if he is lying, we will find out. Should have lynched The Jackal at least to get something out of the votes.

01-08-2009, 06:07 PM	#244
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	no lynches as a genrel rule suck, but we win in this case by not lynching EF woulda been nice to lycnh jackyl.... but oh well... now at least we learn something is EF dies or not, unless the BG doesnt show up for a night action... then we are messed up!

01-08-2009, 06:08 PM	#246
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	that being said.... itsup to the wolves now to decide to attack and hope hesnot protected or not attack someone else and hope they can get him tommmorow (unless hes a wolf!)

01-08-2009, 06:10 PM	#247
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	but this way we learn SOMETHING no matter what!

01-08-2009, 06:10 PM	#248
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Only about a third of us were online to see his reveal, chances are good unfortunately that EF won't be protected.

01-08-2009, 06:12 PM	#249
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	In the past I've been in favor of no lynches, but those are usually during inactive Day Ones. I think there's been enough action today to validate a day one lynching, and I feel like we really missed out today. I'm going to be really surprised if EagleFan is killed tonight. I don't think the wolves are going to go after him. If he is the seer, he has a couple of nights of freedom. So what does this mean to us? If EF lives and we get a scan, we're going to have to take it with a grain of salt. And of course, he could continue his bad luck of "scanning" the person the wolves kill. Either way, we can't fully trust EF until he is dead. This, of course, puts us at possibly a huge disadvantage, depending on how the wolves play this out. And now we go into Day Two with almost as much information we had coming in today (i.e. almost none). Unless we catch a wolf tonight, then ignore everything I typed.

01-08-2009, 06:15 PM	#250
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Crap, was coming back to say that I thought I had the wrong side on this one. On the car ride home I was worrying about the three roommate block, coupled with the innate desire people have shown to at least somewhat support their roommates. - chances are better that there is a wolf in the three person group than any two person group - the voting influence of the three person group, coupled with any "wolf backing" grows as we lose villagers to lynch/night kills So I was going to change the vote over to Jackal. I knew there was an early deadline, but was hoping that I would be able to make it home in time to make the switch. I'm especially bummed about this after seeing a tie and the reveal.

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