WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win! - Page 14

Grammaticus · 01-12-2009, 04:31 PM

I think there is value in leaving Hoops in the hopper for tomorrow and taking another seer scan tonight.

EagleFan · 01-12-2009, 04:48 PM

E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles!!!!!

Oh...

Go Wolves!!!

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 04:48 PM

Then vote it.

Grammaticus · 01-12-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Then vote it.

I'm not voting nightfall and I would like to determine who to go with otherwise. I'm not going to pull the vote without replacing it.

If we leave hoops for a day, I'm looking at either going with RPI or jeheinz.

Abe Sargent · 01-12-2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

Yeah, Abe. Can you expand on the BG hitting a wolf? I remember similar rules in games passed, but I don't see it in this one.

Also, even if there was, I think a seer reveal has a much greater chance of being informative.

I'm trying to dig my way through this thread. Has there been much discussion on RPI? I know he's probably been just busy. But 5 posts, I'm considering putting some fire on him just to get more "stuff" out there.

In many games, the BG gets a kill or a stop or knowledge of the attacker when someone does it. How do you determine which wolf gets killed/revealed/hurt/etc? You force the wolves to choose one of their number to take the action. This is a very common mechanic. I think every time I've been a wolf this has been required, and every GM I've done the same except in the small games I did. It is very simple, clean, elegant, and useful, and I could easily see it being in a game, even one with albeit a simple rules set.

So, just in case it is, I'd say we should kill kill kill, take the Brutal hit now, if any, and then keep searching.

RendeR · 01-12-2009, 05:13 PM

OH MY GOD...what are you people THINKING?????

*resists urge to filet hoop for you*

Just....just.....just KILL HIM ALREAADY!!!!

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 05:17 PM

So it's like what we had in N1.

I typed out a long explanation on why it's still better to keep the seer alive, since relying on the BG depends on Danny's previous and future actions. But I decided not to give the wolvies too many ideas.

Grammaticus · 01-12-2009, 05:31 PM

Look there is still value in getting another seer view. I think that is smart thinking. Not so sure about the BG getting killed in a simple rule set. Maybe and I guess that is something to think about. Many a simple game just allows the BG to stop an attack without knowledge of who the attacker is and no chance of BG dealth. It has been a while since I played, so maybe simple nowadays includes these chances.

I guess you cannot go wrong taking the wolf lynch now. I can understand everyone's apprehension of Jeff's plan.

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 05:38 PM

It's too late to sway people to the correct choice. I needed at least a single backer for people to follow.

But you can go wrong by lynching a wolf now cause you lose a seer while gaining nothing. That is going wrong

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hoopsguy · 01-12-2009, 05:41 PM

Would it make you feel better if I told you guys that I'm not the brutal wolf?

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 05:42 PM

Not, at this point it's the principal of the matter!!!

hoopsguy · 01-12-2009, 05:45 PM

I completely understand, Jeff. I would love to be participating in this discussion in a manner where my opinion held some weight, but that probably is not possible given the circumstances.

Good luck with your decisions going forward.

RendeR · 01-12-2009, 06:23 PM

Hoopsguy: (n) To be heralded as the finest liar in the land. (expletive) to be despised as the most cunning, influential and detested of all.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 06:44 PM

Wow, a whole lot happened today. Starting to catch up.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 07:00 PM

Good job not going for the nightfall, hoopsguy knew I wasn't going to be online to put in a protect so he wanted to hurry to night fall.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 07:03 PM

I wound't be convinced Hoops is the brutal. He was clearing pushing nightfall so that I would not be able to see what happened and protect accordingly.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 07:05 PM

BTW, everyone should ignore everything Hoops says at this point. Don't let it effect your thought process at all. As I am reading what I missed, I am skipping his posts.

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

Good job not going for the nightfall, hoopsguy knew I wasn't going to be online to put in a protect so he wanted to hurry to night fall.

Very good point, should have thought of it, hopefully thats the case.

I'd still rather take control of the situation rather than leave it to chance though

.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 07:10 PM

I think Hoopsguy is noet th brutal wolf, here is my reasoning. If he is brutal wolf, nightfall has no advantage. He simply kills me and then they kill seer with the night kill. If he is not the brutal wolf, nightfall has the advantage that he knows that I am not going to be online to change my guard order and they kill the seer.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 07:14 PM

Vote Hoopsguy

For the reasoning I laid out, I'd bet he is not the brutal wolf.

RPI is probably the Janitor. I think what he did is too risky for a wolf.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 08:23 PM

Still no one is here, Booo!

Hannibal Lecter · 01-12-2009, 08:24 PM

im here! just ..... here.. thats all!

hoopsguy · 01-12-2009, 08:31 PM

I'll talk after the game about any (lack of) scheming that took place today.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 08:38 PM

As we approach deadline, I have a few thoughts and a trust list.

First, I would not rule out Jeheinz as a wolf. RPI's reveal of a role could have been a signal to someone he knew was a wolf to let them know who he was. No way a BG or Seer says a word to their roommates about having a role and if Jeheinz was a wolf, he probably would have picked up on the hint. We've also seen that the wolves are not afraid to put votes on other wolves.

Definitely trust

Myself
Jackal
Barkeep

Lean towards trusting

Jeff

Could go either way

Chief Rum
Abe
Telle
DaddyTorgo

Am leery towards

Jeheinz
Hannibal
Gram

Don't trust

RPI Fan
Hoopsguy

Danny · 01-12-2009, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah Wah

Why do you keep posting that over and over?

Danny · 01-12-2009, 08:42 PM

BTW, that's supposed to be the teacher from Charlie Brown, not crying :P

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny

As we approach deadline, I have a few thoughts and a trust list.

First, I would not rule out Jeheinz as a wolf. RPI's reveal of a role could have been a signal to someone he knew was a wolf to let them know who he was. No way a BG or Seer says a word to their roommates about having a role and if Jeheinz was a wolf, he probably would have picked up on the hint. We've also seen that the wolves are not afraid to put votes on other wolves.

this is a pretty good point. but wait i'm confused, if this was the case, heinz would have picked it up and not said anything about it...right? how do you account for that

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

this is a pretty good point. but wait i'm confused, if this was the case, heinz would have picked it up and not said anything about it...right? how do you account for that

Hmmm, knowing he will be the last remaining wolf and likely won't be scanned in the next couple days before the seer gets killed, hoping he gains enough trust to go the distance? It was looking like once the seer and I are gone that he would probably #1 on the trust list.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:04 PM

I'm not saying he should be lynched tomorrow necessarily, but he has been almost too good and too trustworthy this game

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:05 PM

interesting point to keep in mind for later

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:18 PM

Some math on the Jeheinz front. Right now there are 13 players left. After tonight there may be only 10 if Hoops is the brutal. Tomorrow the group lynches RPI and they night kill Barkeep. At that point there are 8 players left and Jeheinz would probably have been the most trusted. He's a good enough player, I could see him going the distance at that point.

Also, In my PM's with EF, he mentioned Jeheinz' name more than anyone else and even told me he was planning on scanning him before I came out to everyone as the BG. Again, I am not saying he is the final wolf, but since I may not be alive much longer, I wanted to make sure you guys keep this in mind.

Lathum · 01-12-2009, 09:41 PM

hey all, sorry, I had to run some errands and got caught up.

You all gather around and decide it must be hoops who goes. You string him up and sure enough he turns into a hairy beast

Lathum · 01-12-2009, 09:43 PM

You all wake up the next morning and make your way down to the quad where you notice Jackal is missing!!

A quick search of his room show bloody sheets and a paw print on the window sill.

Jackal was the maitnence man!

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:43 PM

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:44 PM

ummm wtf? jackel did you think you were a good guy?

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:53 PM

Wow, lol

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:54 PM

aaaah well the janitor counts as a student so i guess that makes some amount of sense. but that was a person to sow confusion who's gone.

hoopsguy · 01-12-2009, 09:55 PM

I refuse to believe this until Lathum confirms that this was not a mispost.

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:55 PM

i'm way baffled

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:55 PM

I'm guessing Jackal thought the real seer would counter reveal and possible give Hoopsguy some more trust by pinning him.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I refuse to believe this until Lathum confirms that this was not a mispost.

That's true, it may have been a mistake in the role he had listed.

If he is the seer, sorry guys. I thought for sure I was going to be attacked tonight. That was ballsy to still go after Jackal, so props for that. Of course, having the guts to do that doesn't make me feel any better about Jeheinz.

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 09:59 PM

no way. no way you fake reveal and give up an actual wolf when you've already lost one so early.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:00 PM

It was probably a typo. If so, I think we have to go for RPI or Jeheinz now with the next two nights. I can't imagine the wolves going after Jackal unless his roommate was making the kill.

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 10:03 PM

Now that is some good shit.

EagleFan · 01-12-2009, 10:04 PM

I want to say Go Wolves but we're like the furry freaking New York Giants right about now.

DaddyTorgo · 01-12-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

I want to say Go Wolves but we're like the furry freaking New York Giants right about now.

BEST. POST. EVER!

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 10:05 PM

I can't figure out the thinking, he was going to be found out in short order no matter what. Maybe he was trying to gain trust by selling out Hoops. But then he protected Barkeep. I'm looking very strongly at Barkeep now, hist first innocent scan.

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeff061

I can't figure out the thinking, he was going to be found out in short order no matter what. Maybe he was trying to gain trust by selling out Hoops. But then he protected Barkeep. I'm looking very strongly at Barkeep now, hist first innocent scan.

Theoretically if it worked out perfectly it might have worked. If the real seer counter revealed, the matchup would likely then be between Jackal and the real seer and Hoops would not have been killed. Jackyl had to know Hoopsguy would be a scan at some point. Then once Jackyl was killed perhaps Hoopsguy gained trust and the seer would have been outed.

jeff061 · 01-12-2009, 10:10 PM

True. That's pretty risky though.

I'm 50/50 between Barkeep and Heinz right now. Lot of chatting and strange stuff going on with Jackal in that dorm, mostly with heinz.

And once again, the confirm clearance of BK. Which could have been another trust move.

Finally some real meat to sink our teeth into tomorrow! So to speak

Danny · 01-12-2009, 10:12 PM

It's been a crazy game. If true, my mistake turned out to lucky move.

01-12-2009, 04:48 PM	#653
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Then vote it. __________________

01-12-2009, 05:13 PM	#656
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	OH MY GOD...what are you people THINKING????? resists urge to filet hoop for you Just....just.....just KILL HIM ALREAADY!!!! __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

01-12-2009, 05:17 PM	#657
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	So it's like what we had in N1. I typed out a long explanation on why it's still better to keep the seer alive, since relying on the BG depends on Danny's previous and future actions. But I decided not to give the wolvies too many ideas. __________________

01-12-2009, 05:38 PM	#659
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	It's too late to sway people to the correct choice. I needed at least a single backer for people to follow. But you can go wrong by lynching a wolf now cause you lose a seer while gaining nothing. That is going wrong . __________________

01-12-2009, 05:42 PM	#661
jeff061 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MA	Not, at this point it's the principal of the matter!!! __________________

01-12-2009, 04:31 PM	#651
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	I think there is value in leaving Hoops in the hopper for tomorrow and taking another seer scan tonight.

01-12-2009, 04:48 PM	#652
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles!!!!! Oh... Go Wolves!!!

01-12-2009, 05:31 PM	#658
Grammaticus Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tennessee	Look there is still value in getting another seer view. I think that is smart thinking. Not so sure about the BG getting killed in a simple rule set. Maybe and I guess that is something to think about. Many a simple game just allows the BG to stop an attack without knowledge of who the attacker is and no chance of BG dealth. It has been a while since I played, so maybe simple nowadays includes these chances. I guess you cannot go wrong taking the wolf lynch now. I can understand everyone's apprehension of Jeff's plan.

01-12-2009, 05:41 PM	#660
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Would it make you feel better if I told you guys that I'm not the brutal wolf?

01-12-2009, 05:45 PM	#662
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I completely understand, Jeff. I would love to be participating in this discussion in a manner where my opinion held some weight, but that probably is not possible given the circumstances. Good luck with your decisions going forward.

01-12-2009, 06:23 PM	#663
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Hoopsguy: (n) To be heralded as the finest liar in the land. (expletive) to be despised as the most cunning, influential and detested of all. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

01-12-2009, 06:44 PM	#664
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow, a whole lot happened today. Starting to catch up.

01-12-2009, 07:00 PM	#665
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Good job not going for the nightfall, hoopsguy knew I wasn't going to be online to put in a protect so he wanted to hurry to night fall.

01-12-2009, 07:03 PM	#666
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I wound't be convinced Hoops is the brutal. He was clearing pushing nightfall so that I would not be able to see what happened and protect accordingly.

01-12-2009, 07:05 PM	#667
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	BTW, everyone should ignore everything Hoops says at this point. Don't let it effect your thought process at all. As I am reading what I missed, I am skipping his posts.

01-12-2009, 07:10 PM	#669
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think Hoopsguy is noet th brutal wolf, here is my reasoning. If he is brutal wolf, nightfall has no advantage. He simply kills me and then they kill seer with the night kill. If he is not the brutal wolf, nightfall has the advantage that he knows that I am not going to be online to change my guard order and they kill the seer.

01-12-2009, 07:14 PM	#670
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Vote Hoopsguy For the reasoning I laid out, I'd bet he is not the brutal wolf. RPI is probably the Janitor. I think what he did is too risky for a wolf.

01-12-2009, 08:23 PM	#671
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Still no one is here, Booo!

01-12-2009, 08:24 PM	#672
Hannibal Lecter High School JV Join Date: Oct 2008	im here! just ..... here.. thats all!

01-12-2009, 08:31 PM	#673
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'll talk after the game about any (lack of) scheming that took place today.

01-12-2009, 08:38 PM	#674
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	As we approach deadline, I have a few thoughts and a trust list. First, I would not rule out Jeheinz as a wolf. RPI's reveal of a role could have been a signal to someone he knew was a wolf to let them know who he was. No way a BG or Seer says a word to their roommates about having a role and if Jeheinz was a wolf, he probably would have picked up on the hint. We've also seen that the wolves are not afraid to put votes on other wolves. Definitely trust Myself Jackal Barkeep Lean towards trusting Jeff Could go either way Chief Rum Abe Telle DaddyTorgo Am leery towards Jeheinz Hannibal Gram Don't trust RPI Fan Hoopsguy

01-12-2009, 08:42 PM	#676
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	BTW, that's supposed to be the teacher from Charlie Brown, not crying :P

01-12-2009, 09:04 PM	#679
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm not saying he should be lynched tomorrow necessarily, but he has been almost too good and too trustworthy this game

01-12-2009, 09:05 PM	#680
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	interesting point to keep in mind for later

01-12-2009, 09:18 PM	#681
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Some math on the Jeheinz front. Right now there are 13 players left. After tonight there may be only 10 if Hoops is the brutal. Tomorrow the group lynches RPI and they night kill Barkeep. At that point there are 8 players left and Jeheinz would probably have been the most trusted. He's a good enough player, I could see him going the distance at that point. Also, In my PM's with EF, he mentioned Jeheinz' name more than anyone else and even told me he was planning on scanning him before I came out to everyone as the BG. Again, I am not saying he is the final wolf, but since I may not be alive much longer, I wanted to make sure you guys keep this in mind.

01-12-2009, 09:41 PM	#682
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	hey all, sorry, I had to run some errands and got caught up. You all gather around and decide it must be hoops who goes. You string him up and sure enough he turns into a hairy beast

01-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#683
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You all wake up the next morning and make your way down to the quad where you notice Jackal is missing!! A quick search of his room show bloody sheets and a paw print on the window sill. Jackal was the maitnence man! Last edited by Lathum : 01-12-2009 at 10:25 PM.

01-12-2009, 09:43 PM	#684
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	LOL

01-12-2009, 09:44 PM	#685
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	ummm wtf? jackel did you think you were a good guy?

01-12-2009, 09:53 PM	#686
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow, lol

01-12-2009, 09:54 PM	#687
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	aaaah well the janitor counts as a student so i guess that makes some amount of sense. but that was a person to sow confusion who's gone.

01-12-2009, 09:55 PM	#688
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I refuse to believe this until Lathum confirms that this was not a mispost.

01-12-2009, 09:55 PM	#689
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	i'm way baffled

01-12-2009, 09:55 PM	#690
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm guessing Jackal thought the real seer would counter reveal and possible give Hoopsguy some more trust by pinning him.

01-12-2009, 09:59 PM	#692
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	no way. no way you fake reveal and give up an actual wolf when you've already lost one so early.