WW LXXXVII Terror at the University :Game over, Wolves win!

[Grammaticus]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

If I was a wolf, even if I wanted to get trust for voting for a wolf, why would I take it that far? I mean I was railing against him all day, keeping him on the candidate list.

Furthermore, from a purely strategical level, wouldn't I pick/sacrifice the wolf who is likely to get scanned (hoops)?

You were not really railing against him all day. Just arguing back and forth. Then you posted: ). “My vote stands, if others follow or leave, that's cool. But it's Day One, I've cast my lot and barring some huge revelation in another direction I'm not inclined to change it.”

That type of strategy is to hang a vote on a wolf and make it look like there is friction so when the wolf comes up lupine, you can play fake opposition and say you voted for a wolf. I guess it just feels like you were way too aggressive for a day one thing that really didn’t have any foundation. It just doesn’t feel right. But right now, between you, RPI, Telle and a trailing DT, I think you are the best bet for a wolf. Certainly not a sure thing.

I really wish Jackal had been guarded. If he had we would know right now whether or not you or RPI are for sure a wolf as a roomie hit is 100% unless the target IS the BG. Since the wolves hit the seer, he would have died even if protected if the killer was his roomie. If neither of you were a wolf, it would have been a block and we would know you were both students. At this point, I think we should purge your room and move on. At the same time hoping the BG really did not protect himself and will do so tonight so a wolf hit causes something colossal.

[Telle]

Votes as of post 801:

2 - RPI-Fan - Hannibal (719), Barkeep (730)
2 - Hannibal - Chief Rum (723), jeheinze (770)
2 - jeheinz - jeff (768), Grammaticus (772)

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Grammaticus

You were not really railing against him all day. Just arguing back and forth. Then you posted: ). “My vote stands, if others follow or leave, that's cool. But it's Day One, I've cast my lot and barring some huge revelation in another direction I'm not inclined to change it.”

That type of strategy is to hang a vote on a wolf and make it look like there is friction so when the wolf comes up lupine, you can play fake opposition and say you voted for a wolf. I guess it just feels like you were way too aggressive for a day one thing that really didn’t have any foundation. It just doesn’t feel right. But right now, between you, RPI, Telle and a trailing DT, I think you are the best bet for a wolf. Certainly not a sure thing.

I really wish Jackal had been guarded. If he had we would know right now whether or not you or RPI are for sure a wolf as a roomie hit is 100% unless the target IS the BG. Since the wolves hit the seer, he would have died even if protected if the killer was his roomie. If neither of you were a wolf, it would have been a block and we would know you were both students. At this point, I think we should purge your room and move on. At the same time hoping the BG really did not protect himself and will do so tonight so a wolf hit causes something colossal.

By railing I meant arguing. And really, it was moreso his reaction to my vote that kept me on him. The initial reason on my part was minor

But whatever man

[DaddyTorgo]

2 - Hannibal - Chief Rum (723), jeheinze (770)

I find these voters together to be interesting


2 - RPI-Fan - Hannibal (719), Barkeep (730)

Ditto - particularly given who they are on.


2 - jeheinz - jeff (768), Grammaticus (772)

These votes I don't find all that interesting

[Telle]

Care to share what you find interesting about them, DT?

[DaddyTorgo]

Well we've already established that voting for RPI fan doesn't make sense. Barkeep is cleared, so okay - that's just a dumb vote but I presume he'll change it. But Hannibal has been here all day and has still laid a vote on RPI? To what end? He knows too that that's not a good play. And I was already suspicious of Hannibal as I've said before. So that ratchets him up a bit.

As I mentioned I'm suspicious of Hannibal correct? So I just find it interesting that Chief Rum, who I am always wary of, laid a vote on Hannibal (although it was earlier, before all this back-and-forth).

It doesn't change my feelings on anybody really, but I just think that somewhere in there we may have our last wolf (unless it's you or abe), and that the way the votes are laid out at this moment 2-2-2 with those particular people might actually give us something to meaningfully analyze.

[DaddyTorgo]

Also interesting that Heinzy is the other vote on Hannibal - although he has moved up the trust ladder a lil bit in my eyes, he's still someone i'm keeping an eye on.

Going to be very interesting to watch how the day plays out, as it gets later (before I could possibly be killed at night) I might have some thoughts on how it plays out...

[Telle]

Well Hannibal did vote for RPI-Fan before all this discussion came about.. and in fact was the first vote of the day. And after finding out about RPI-Fan's PMs, I think the first reaction is to want to vote for him. But then again, it's also a really good place for a wolf to hide a vote.

Why does CR voting for Hannibal seem suspicious to you, since you yourself have suspicions of Hannibal?

[DaddyTorgo]

not necessarily suspicious...just...interesting. potentially a breadcrumb for analysis

[jeff061]

Heinze I think just threw it on the only person in the running that wasn't himself or RPI.

[Abe Sargent]

After seeing the evidence:

Vote rpi

I see no reason to keep him around.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Heinze I think just threw it on the only person in the running that wasn't himself or RPI.

Indeed.

I'd prefer to vote for Gramm, but I'm not about to make it 2-2-1-1 if I'm one of the 2's and the other 2 no one wants to vote for.

[DaddyTorgo]

hmmm

+1 for Abe on the suspiscion-o-meter

[Telle]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Indeed.

I'd prefer to vote for Gramm, but I'm not about to make it 2-2-1-1 if I'm one of the 2's and the other 2 no one wants to vote for.

I'll go with you on Gramm, as I'm not too keen on any of the current candidates.

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[jeff061]

Heinze, chances are I'm going to come off you. I just wanted to see others people rock the boat some before.

[jeheinz72]

Well in those cases then, I'll vote moreso in line with who I actually suspect rather than play defense

Unvote Hannibal Lecter
Vote Grammaticus

[Telle]

Vote count as of 816:

3 - RPI-Fan - Hannibal (719), Barkeep (730), Abe Sargent (811)
2 - jeheinz - jeff (768), Grammaticus (772)
2 - Grammaticus - Telle (814), jeheinze (816)
1 - Hannibal - Chief Rum (723)

Yet to vote: RPI Fan, DaddyTorgo, Danny

[Lathum]

3 - RPI-Fan - Hannibal (719), Barkeep (730) Abe (811)
2 - jeheinz - jeff (768), Grammaticus (772)
2 Gramm- Telle (814) heinze (770)
1 - Hannibal - Chief Rum (723)

[DaddyTorgo]

Mr. BK - please refer to my analysis of why a vote for RPI-Fan is suboptimal villager-play at this time and consider adjusting your vote accordingly. As a cleared villager I guess it makes no sense to suggest you might be a wolf, but RPI-Fan is not a necessary vote yet.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Well we've already established that voting for RPI fan doesn't make sense. Barkeep is cleared, so okay - that's just a dumb vote but I presume he'll change it. But Hannibal has been here all day and has still laid a vote on RPI? To what end? He knows too that that's not a good play. And I was already suspicious of Hannibal as I've said before. So that ratchets him up a bit.

As I mentioned I'm suspicious of Hannibal correct? So I just find it interesting that Chief Rum, who I am always wary of, laid a vote on Hannibal (although it was earlier, before all this back-and-forth).

It doesn't change my feelings on anybody really, but I just think that somewhere in there we may have our last wolf (unless it's you or abe), and that the way the votes are laid out at this moment 2-2-2 with those particular people might actually give us something to meaningfully analyze.

i love how you have decided [Wrongly] that voting for RPI si bad, ive seen your statistics.... and that does not answer anything for me, hes bad get rid of him, end of story!

[Hannibal Lecter]

for what its worth, i see nothing WRONG with voting for Gramm or Heinze, and I could conceivable move my vote, but i think an RPI vote now is the right way to go.

[jeff061]

unvote Heinz
Vote Hannibal

Seriously. We can't continually be arguing things that should just be accepted as fact.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Mr. BK - please refer to my analysis of why a vote for RPI-Fan is suboptimal villager-play at this time and consider adjusting your vote accordingly. As a cleared villager I guess it makes no sense to suggest you might be a wolf, but RPI-Fan is not a necessary vote yet.

FWIW this die hard insistence on a flawed analysis makes me wonder if RPI is the wolf, and your the janitor....

[DaddyTorgo]

He's not bad. He counts as a villager for the purposes of determining the final ratio. That means that he's not bad until he reaches that point. You're smarter than this Hannibal. C'mon.

That being said...you're giving off more of a misguided-villager vibe than a wolf-vibe to me.

Question - did anyone else's wolfy roommates engage them in a lot of PM's, or were they mostly quiet?

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by jeff061

unvote Heinz
Vote Hannibal

Seriously. We can't continually be arguing things that should just be accepted as fact.

if you really feel voting me gains you anything then by all means do so.

[jeff061]

Well you've made horrible choices, bad analysys and argue against proper course of action.

It removes a speed bump.

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

He's not bad. He counts as a villager for the purposes of determining the final ratio. That means that he's not bad until he reaches that point. You're smarter than this Hannibal. C'mon.

That being said...you're giving off more of a misguided-villager vibe than a wolf-vibe to me.

Question - did anyone else's wolfy roommates engage them in a lot of PM's, or were they mostly quiet?

were no where near that point yet tho. if it was day 7 and we were nearing endgame then it might matter, NOW we know we dont need him around. we have a while before we need to worry abot ratios.

your trying too hard not to lose, rather than going for the prize!

[jeff061]

That being said...you're giving off more of a misguided-villager vibe than a wolf-vibe to me.

He was to me as well. But christ, he's beyond misguided at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Well you've made horrible choices, bad analysys and argue against proper course of action.

It removes a speed bump.

[jeff061]

I meant to quote that not bold, oops

[Hannibal Lecter]

Originally Posted by jeff061

Well you've made horrible choices, bad analysys and argue against proper course of action.

It removes a speed bump.

I mad a bad choice (which was a calculated risk which went wrong) and Im arguing the right choice,

at this point im actually getting mad, yalls do whatever you want, someone IM me in the mornign if im still alive.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

were no where near that point yet tho. if it was day 7 and we were nearing endgame then it might matter, NOW we know we dont need him around. we have a while before we need to worry abot ratios.

your trying too hard not to lose, rather than going for the prize!

We don't get a "special super victory" by eliminating him though dude. There's no prize in it. It's like taking candy from a baby.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hi hoopsy!

[hoopsguy]

Afternoon, DT.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Hannibal Lecter

were no where near that point yet tho. if it was day 7 and we were nearing endgame then it might matter, NOW we know we dont need him around. we have a while before we need to worry abot ratios.

your trying too hard not to lose, rather than going for the prize!

But eliminating the janitor doesn't get use the "prize". So there's no point in killing off RPI-Fan right away, unless you think he's actually a wolf. In the meantime, our efforts are better spent on catching the remaining wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE GRAMMATICUS

[DaddyTorgo]

for now. of course subject to change.

[DaddyTorgo]

i have a bunch of thoughts, but i want to save them until closer to deadline.

[jeff061]

For what its worth I'll probably jump off hoops. I am leaning towards Gram, was before I voted for Hoops.

[jeff061]

Err Hannibal, not hoops.

Damn Hs confuse my tiny brain.

[Telle]

Originally Posted by jeff061

For what its worth I'll probably jump off hoops. I am leaning towards Gram, was before I voted for Hoops.

Well you're just all over the place today aren't you?

vote RPI-Fan 734
vote jeheinze 768
vote Hannibal 822

[jeff061]

Yes I really am. RPI was a quickie and I quickly agreed with DT. I should not have cast that.

Heinze and Hannibal, well, neither of them were being logical and were putting us into a situation where wrong decisions were being made. Which combined with the fact that neither of them had gained my trust. Especially Hannibal.

I voted for them, those problems went away. Worthwhile votes I say .

[jeff061]

And I would have voted for Gramm awhile ago, if not for the fact I've been all over the place. So I'm waiting, just in case.

[DaddyTorgo]

in-thread: Gram, hoops, jeheinz, telle

[jeheinz72]

I'm honestly just reading along. Nothing to add really

[DaddyTorgo]

that's cool. just pointing it out.

[Telle]

I'm curious as to why Grammaticus hasn't said anything, considering he's now tied for first place in the votes.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Telle

I'm curious as to why Grammaticus hasn't said anything, considering he's now tied for first place in the votes.

that's one of the reasons i was pointing it out Telle. See if I could roust him. And lo-and-behold, he's gone.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hey - RendeR & Telle - GET A ROOM!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

*shameless post-whoring*