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Old Yesterday, 10:30 AM   #301
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The 'statement' by the German team was their response to FIFA's 11th hour decision to ban the captain's arm band that several European teams have being wearing in official UEFA competitions this year in an effort to strengthen the anti-discrimination vibe that 'football' is trying to promote. Discrimination of all kinds is still a major problem in football stadiums. The only people that have the ability to influence it, are the players on the field. They are the biggest role models in the world. It's a change of times that players are willing to see that and while many mostly promote silliness on their social media non-sense, every now or then they try to be aware of having the means to do good as well.

FIFA out of the blue stamped the One Love band as a political statement and instead ordered teams to use FIFA's own "No discrimination" band that was worn by the USA and Wales captains. For crying out loud, FIFA has branded the word "Love" as being too political and to not be used in any form whatsoever. Additionally, warming up kits were banned because they were too colorful, hence a political statement in it's opinion. The way I understand it, this band has nothing to do with being anti-Qatar and also it isn't correct when people proclaim that band is pro-LHBTIQX (or whatever the flavor of the day abbreviation is), it's just as much about racism and freedom of religion.

The latter has been subject of quite the uproar in the Netherlands when the KNVB and the Eredivisie clubs picked a weekend where all captains would wear it and two of the 18 captains refused it because they felt that their religious beliefs were in conflict with it. They completely missed the point that the fact they can live in a country where their religion enriched life exists is because of freedom of religion, which makes it a moronic decision to not want to promote it.

But football is not about politics. FIFA claimed the World Cup will bring peace between the Ukraine and Russia (never mind that Russia got disqualified over their invasion of Ukraine, so why would Russia even care for this tournament?). We all know a "World" Cup is always about politics. Every border between countries continues to exist because the politicians in the bordering countries respect them. Hence Belgium and the Netherlands having separate teams.

/rant

Wait, so you're telling me there's more to it than everyone is just a virtue signaling hypocrite? Interesting.

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Old Yesterday, 01:02 PM   #302
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One change to the USMNT lineup. Sargent out, Wright in.
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Old Yesterday, 02:47 PM   #303
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US lucky to get into the half scoreless. They did decent for the half but England had a ton of pressure the last few minutes.

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Old Yesterday, 02:54 PM   #304
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US lucky to get into the half scoreless. They did decent for the half but England had a ton of pressure the last few minutes.

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The US had some excellent opportunities as well. It definitely wasn't a one-sided half.
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Old Yesterday, 03:11 PM   #305
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Yeah, they had a lot more life than they did against Wales. But they felt gassed towards the end.

Starting to feel like they're losing more possession here in the 2nd half and it might become a problem very soon.

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Old Yesterday, 03:12 PM   #306
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So we are allowing to studs on the ankle? Just stay consistent.
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Old Yesterday, 03:18 PM   #307
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I guess I was wrong - as soon as I say that about us starting to lose possession - US gets a number of nice attacks.

I notice England doesn't exactly fear our set pieces

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Old Yesterday, 03:28 PM   #308
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Monday's Game: Corners and free kicks lined straight into the Wales defense. Nothing remotely threatening.

Pundits: Pulisic is awful at set pieces. They really need to get someone in there who can put a dangerous ball in play.

Pulisic: Well...

Teammates on Thursday: Cool corners, bro.

Pulisic: And...

Pundits: Maybe the USA coaches should work on installing some plays there.

That aside, I'm impressed with the effort today. Probably England finds a way to 1-0 in the end, but they came to play today.
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Old Yesterday, 03:36 PM   #309
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I feel like Pulisic's kicks are not awful today but there's nothing going on in the middle, but I'm also not very good at evaluating this

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Old Yesterday, 03:53 PM   #310
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Disappointing they didn't sell out on that last free kick, but a draw is still huge.
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Old Yesterday, 03:55 PM   #311
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So beat Iran and they go forward to second round.
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Old Yesterday, 04:49 PM   #312
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You usually need to win at some point to advance in this format. Because of that +4 in the opener, England didn't have any pressure on it today. Not sure it mattered whether it was 0-1 or 0-0 for the US, so the attacking style today was good to see.

It'll be interesting to see what Iran comes up with on Tuesday, needing a point to eliminate the US and move on. Of course, Wales could come up with a win against England and then a draw eliminates both US and Iran. England looked bored and efficient. Wales just looked tired.

About the armband thing... you're playing in a tournament under the umbrella of an organization that put the tournament in Qatar despite everyone knowing that human rights is a different story in Islamic theocracies. Your participation endorses FIFA's decision.

When I'm watching a sporting event, if it came down to having any interest in armband color because I'm looking for a signal of some sort, I'm already well aware of the issues. But it's like caring about the deck chairs on the Titanic. I would like everyone - gay, straight, combinations of both, neither, women, men, people of all races - to have the same rights everywhere. If I ran the world, they would. It's important. A soccer match can't change that, but it can be an event that brings people together. I won't say that these gestures are meaningless, but they are far, far less important than the fact that people are coming together to watch soccer.

I'm frustrated that FIFA chose money over refusing to help elevate a country where human rights are granted only to a subset of the people. If I thought about it more, maybe I wouldn't watch. But then I'd be missing out on the soccer. Trivial, yes, but so is the armband thing for those on field.

There's a competition out there called Miss America, for those of you too young to remember when it was a major annual television event. We came together to judge the superficial beauty of mostly white, tall, 20-year-old women with what popular culture considered spectacular figures (think of Hot or Not, but with no disagreement). There was a talent portion to make it somehow more competition-like, but everyone made fun of it - the women only had to have some training in putting on a competent display of something - could be flower-arranging, IIRC.

Television ratings were high. It was a mindless, satisfying, easily digested display of men ogling women and women, who made up just as much of the audience, enthusiastically judging as well (evening gowns were very important). Bert Parks would sing, and celebrities wore fancy clothes, and that made it all so legitimate and saccharine.

The key was tying it into states competing against states. The women wore big sashes with their state's name. For those in my generation, so many of us bought into this from childhood. It really was a significant part of our culture at the time.

Like many cultural phenomena, it died out. A new consciousness arose. Pageants felt less legitimate and more exploitative. Honey Boo-Boo happened. Something called the "personal interview" came into being, and we made fun of it because the "right" answer was to say the phrase "world peace" in a hopeful and yet charming manner.

But then it replaced the bathing suit "competition" and the answers were judged in the exact same manner - there's an ideal political mindset out there, and it must be regurgitated. And the audience just disappeared with the snap of a finger. I'm not sure it's even on television any more.

I don't miss it. It is an anachronism, part of our history that I guess makes some people want to make great again, but it wouldn't. In today's world, empathizing far more with women's equality, it would feel too exploitative. But the competition goes on, and apparently, to the delight of the right wing's perpetually-angry talking heads, some states are even choosing winners who are genetically male and identify as women. Which is fascinating, but I'm not sure makes for compelling television.

Some day, perhaps sports will also fall into this anachronistic category of things we once enjoyed, but we cannot feel good about anymore. I think the concussion issue in football could be the impetus here. But that's still a long way off. The point is that if we try and make things that people enjoy as entertainment political, they become insufferable and no longer bring us together at all.
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Old Yesterday, 04:49 PM   #313
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So beat Iran and they go forward to second round.

I think everyone would have taken this scenario coming into the World Cup.
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Old Yesterday, 05:45 PM   #314
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Some players have a hard time getting their bonuses from their country's FA. The Saudis?

Saudi Arabia's National Team Gifted Rolls-Royce Phantoms After Historic World Cup Victory

FYI, from what I can tell none of the players play outside of the Saudi Pro League.
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Old Yesterday, 08:04 PM   #315
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Adams and Robinson might be getting a few calls when they're done in Qatar. Can't imagine they're still at Leeds and Fulham after this season.

Matt Turner might have earned a nice loan move for the second half of the season..

Definitely a nervy first 15-20 minutes, but after that it never felt like England would be a danger from open play. Don't feel like it's a sure thing we'll advance, but if you can't win 1 game you probably don't deserve to advance anyway.
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I think everyone would have taken this scenario coming into the World Cup.

Yup agreed.
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