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Old 05-30-2020, 10:04 AM   #4951
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We've had to deal with it periodically due to my 91 y/o mother-in-law's inability to grasp that Walmart is not the only place on the planet that stocks grocery items. WM is her ride-or-die.

The average lead time required for pickup here has been 2-3 full days, with some occasions having no available delivery in a 7-day window.

No other store in the area comes close to that (and I'm pretty sure we've done delivery from virtually every chain here at some point).

We've gotten good about planning a week ahead for the pick-up. You can add to the order up to the night before, so as long as we get a delivery slot, we can make the actual order closer to the pickup.
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Old 05-30-2020, 12:43 PM   #4952
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We've gotten good about planning a week ahead for the pick-up. You can add to the order up to the night before, so as long as we get a delivery slot, we can make the actual order closer to the pickup.

To some extent, we've always done this (we tend to make a menu for the week and buy the things we might be missing but I would also buy things on sale to stock up or something that looked good). So it's not that different for us. The only difficulties that pop up now are the things that are out. But that even popped up before from time to time, just less often.

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Old 05-30-2020, 03:09 PM   #4953
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Speaking of Walmart, my wife is laughing at me today. I picked up three packages of no-nitrate uncured bacon, two packs of organic grass-fed bitter, and a dozen avocados. Apart from occasionally grabbing cooking oil or a loaf of bread for the kids’ morning toast. The three items mentioned are the only groceries I ever get at Walmart. Yeah, I go to Walmart to buy Whole Foods groceries. *shurg*

(In fairness, the same brands of those three items that we used to get at WF are crazy cheaper at our WM, and the latter is much closer to boot.)
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Old 05-30-2020, 03:51 PM   #4954
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We've gotten good about planning a week ahead for the pick-up. You can add to the order up to the night before, so as long as we get a delivery slot, we can make the actual order closer to the pickup.

Yeah, doesn't really work when dealing with a 91 y/o. (Lots of things don't really work well when dealing with a 91 y/o ... but I digress)

It ain't entirely accidental that we borrowed her car while ours was in the shop and just sorta haven't gotten around to returning it. Kinda sneaky perhaps but I don't believe she'd have behaved this long had it been there for her to drive either.
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Old 05-30-2020, 10:39 PM   #4955
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What are the odds all these mass protests in big cities cause another mini outbreak in coronavirus cases this week?
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Old 05-30-2020, 10:50 PM   #4956
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Pretty good I would imagine.
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Old 05-31-2020, 09:28 AM   #4957
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Seems pretty high.

So someone in my family works at a cancer hospital. They have been taking a ton of precautions there but, at the end of the day, you still have to see patients. To the patients, it doesn't matter if they die by COVID or if they die by cancer: death is still death.

I think something similar applies here. If you think you're risking dying just by going out in public, death by COVID vs death by police brutality: death is death.

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Old 05-31-2020, 10:39 AM   #4958
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I think something similar applies here. If you think you're risking dying just by going out in public, death by COVID vs death by police brutality: death is death.

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Yeah, I've thought along the same lines when they were talking about covid hitting poor, minority communities hardest....if you live in a community where drug/street violence is a real, daily threat, of course the concern & insistence that you should stay home, so you don't get sick in a couple weeks, is going to ring hollow.
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Old 05-31-2020, 01:59 PM   #4959
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That's actually a good point. When you live in a community facing daily violence from gangs, police and others, how scary is a disease that kills less than 1% of the people who get it?
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:17 PM   #4960
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Well partially inspired by COVID I decided to jump back into Nutrisystem

I say inspired because I figure Nutrisystem would cut down on my grocery shopping which I hate to do these days.

So I get my box from Nutrisystem and they leave out 5 breakfast items. The bastards.

Well I'm 202 pounds on a 5'3 frame. Let's see how this goes.

FWIW I'm down 10 pounds following a Nutrisytemish system since this post.
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Old 05-31-2020, 10:15 PM   #4961
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My county borders St. Louis county but is pretty rural. A few cities of around 10k or less. One of maybe 20k.

We opened up 2 weeks ago. Wide open. We have had one new case in our county in that time period.

I think this is turning into an urban issue. As well as, a nursing home and meat packing plant issue.
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Old 05-31-2020, 11:15 PM   #4962
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I think this is turning into an urban issue. As well as, a nursing home and meat packing plant issue.

Well it makes some sense due to density. Though I still see Albany GA being hit super hard a few months back and think it can hit even smaller cities. I do think rural areas have more distancing just by design which helps.

And it's been these cities that have had protests - anti-lockdown and now anti-police brutality - folks like to march on City Hall after all.
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Old Yesterday, 07:58 AM   #4963
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My county borders St. Louis county but is pretty rural. A few cities of around 10k or less. One of maybe 20k.

We opened up 2 weeks ago. Wide open. We have had one new case in our county in that time period.

I think this is turning into an urban issue. As well as, a nursing home and meat packing plant issue.

A county with almost no cases will not suddenly see many. It is more and more safe to say that this is not spread in 3s an 4s but in 1s and 15s.
Those maybe 5-10 concurrent infected in your county first need to be at one of the, for Arguments sake, 10% open businesses that pose an elevated risk and be there at the right time (peak infectiousness is a short period). 5 of 10 might be most infectious on days they don't go out much. 2 might not go out much in general.
At low levels, chance comes into play. Which is why it took time to go from imported cases to catastrophe. Critical Mass is a concept that originated in Epidemiology, after all !

Household transmission is generally 1 in 4 chance with the highest propability by far being the spouse (which makes sense).Lots if places are safe, especially with basic precautions (even just keeping a bit distance, not stop in the same place and talk for a long while), but lots more avenues than Meatpacking Plants, too ...

In Germany we have very few cases and excellent contact tracing (not SK et al level but just about the next best thing) so the true number now will not be as much larger by far than in March.
And still in the last 2 weeks we had: 2 church outbreaks of 60-100 cases, a private even at a restaurant (30+), a series of private family Parties (scope yet unclear), a UPS sorting center (50+). This does not happen via droplets, this is Aerosol infection.

The place does not matter as much as These Basic conditions:

- indoor vs outdoor. Air displacement outdoors just mitigates a lot
- lots of people literally sharing the same air
- staying stationary for 15 + minutes OR moving around the same space over and over along with everybody else
- close contact and face-to-face interaction up close
-loud and animated speaking, singing or heavy breathing

The problem is that it would be guaranteed desaster if everything was done the same as a year ago, everything will be super if done like in April. Finding the sweet spot in between is the hard part.

As for retirement homes: These are vulnerable to spread the same way all closed systems are (a Party same as a meatpacking plant). However, it is much easier to keep the virus out in the first place when few peope carry it in general and with less draconic measures (isolating them for months or a year is NOT desirable) It's just Basic propability.

These propabilities come into play Rural vs Urban as well. How many Potential spreading events happen in a big city vs a small ? How many events with different people is one likely to infect ? How likely is it contact tracing works because participants knew each other ?

If it happens and is missed, the virus does not care much. Look of Heinsberg or Tirschenreuth in Germany or Vo in Italy. One party gone wrong = things spreads like wildfire.
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Old Yesterday, 09:02 AM   #4964
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Had a friend over yesterday for a pool play date with the kids. She is a nurse at a busy hospital here in the Jersey shore. Said things have calmed down a lot at her hospital. She then said they are still very nervous and making preparations for things to get really bad again between the protests, people relaxing, and huge influx of tourists here on the shore.
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Old Yesterday, 09:26 AM   #4965
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The place does not matter as much as These Basic conditions:

- indoor vs outdoor. Air displacement outdoors just mitigates a lot
- lots of people literally sharing the same air
- staying stationary for 15 + minutes OR moving around the same space over and over along with everybody else
- close contact and face-to-face interaction up close
-loud and animated speaking, singing or heavy breathing

So your thoughts on risks re:

1) Being in an airplane with masks, an empty seat inbetween (even though the air is recirculated and filtered)
2) Being in a crowded beach without mask, social distancing with strangers but close with friends, but breezy
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Old Yesterday, 10:13 AM   #4966
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#2 may depend on the amount and distancing your friends did. But if it's a small amount and they have all self isolated for a few weeks as well, that should be pretty safe. Outdoor spreading, especially while distancing seems to be very low.

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So your thoughts on risks re:

1) Being in an airplane with masks, an empty seat inbetween (even though the air is recirculated and filtered)
2) Being in a crowded beach without mask, social distancing with strangers but close with friends, but breezy

Remember i am merely reading up on this and know a few people that work in research or in the 'field'. There are no definitive answers and if there were, i would not know them all.

One general thing: The empty seat is to prevent droplet infection. Right now best guess is that it is sth like 50/50 between droplet and aerosol (surface transmission vers much a distant afterthought)
With the former happening more often, but the latter affecting more people at once if the conditions are right.

Planes i think you have a strange Mix of pros and cons (and i know tons of experiments are made on both this and trains/busses right know) but many experts seem to veer on the side of "might be less of an issue than you'd think".

At a beach i am fairly certain that everything that happens there happens at close contact between people and is not adding to the problem if is people that know each other and have that contact elsewhere as well. Might as well have it there rather than a closed space.

I think it is virtually impossible to transmit to someone over more than a few feet there, as there virus is immediately exposed to Air currents and displaced (even with no breeze!). Remember you do not get infected by any amount of virus, it needs to be a decent amount (AND some research indicates that more initial exposure = sicker.).
That is why stores are negligible as well imo, with everybody walking around without much/long social/physical interaction.

Might have posted this before: How coronavirus spreads outdoors vs. indoors - YouTube

The only way to be 100% safe is not meeting anybody, but that is not sustainable or healthy or even necessary. It was crucial in march to stop a lot of transmission chains, fast. And to give science and health infrastructure time to catch up.
Next best thing is limiting contacts from the normal, maybe try to not visit the most popular or 'beautiful' beach/places at the same time as anybody else. That sort of thing is how i handle it.

And maybe limit your interactions to people you know, because that is the other thing: Say one of you gets mildly ill (remember, this is NOT Ebola or some shit for younger folk), either you get tested and can tell public health workers who to contact or you have at least informal information "hey guys, coming down with sth" which then results in everybody being careful for a week or whatever, avoiding their older relatives or that nurse they know, or getting tested themselves.

Meeting mainly people you know rather than party with a bunch of strangers or semi-strangers ("I also talked to a guy for 20 minutes, Whatshisname, guy with a mole on his cheek. Ah, can't remember, sorry") immediately lowers the risk for the general public because odds are much lower at a continouus chain of transmissions and much higher odds it hits a dead end because people get notice sth might be up.
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So we rescheduled my kidney doctor appt from april until about 2 weeks now. So I went to LabCorp where I get my blood tested. No problems with getting that done, but the lab and waitng room are very small, and it was a Monday so busy times with the lab. About a 1/3 of the people in for testing didn't wear masks and LabCorp was not requiring them to wear any. They had added some extra chairs and a bench outside the office for overflow and COVID social distancing, but with it being a small office, you couldn't really do that anyway.

Traffic was back to pre-COVID levels I would say as well.
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Two of my boys and I got haircuts today. First in 5 months. Our stylist was the only one in the entire salon and we were the only customers the entire time we were in there. Did some shopping where the store was metering the number of people inside the store and forming a queue when needed. Lots of people in the store didn't really care about anything and were going on like nothing had changed (like I said earlier about KY). But the store had sanitary barriers, and the cashiers had to wipe the station down after every customer. Then we went to a restaurant for the first time since March. The employees were all very good, most of the seating was in the parking lot, but they also had inside seating with every other booth blocked off and tables on the floor very spaced out. I don't know how it'll last, but it was nice to have those normal, pedestrian things to do again.
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So we rescheduled my kidney doctor appt from april until about 2 weeks now. So I went to LabCorp where I get my blood tested. No problems with getting that done, but the lab and waitng room are very small, and it was a Monday so busy times with the lab. About a 1/3 of the people in for testing didn't wear masks and LabCorp was not requiring them to wear any. They had added some extra chairs and a bench outside the office for overflow and COVID social distancing, but with it being a small office, you couldn't really do that anyway.

Traffic was back to pre-COVID levels I would say as well.

Anecdotally I'd say that health services (from simple visits and/or tests to full blown surgeries) are all over the place with regulations to some extent.

Less than 10 miles apart a couple hospitals in ATL range from one having the surgical waiting room open pretty much as normal (even for outpatient stuff) to another only allowing 2 people to attend the bedside of a literal dying (as in removing life support) person and going so far as to count someone adminstering last rites against the 2-person limit.

That's a pretty wide gap in restrictions, so I'm not really that surprised by what you posted.
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Emory is mask only, Children’s (where I work sometimes) is mask, limited visitors, and temp check. We return to labs at Emory this week and they are very low density, masks, and possibly random temp checks and tests.

I’m currently in Blairsville GA and went to Walmart. I thought somebody was going to punch me for wearing a mask. It was like I was the devil. Saw some ice cream stops and BBQ joints that had large crowds and no masks.
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Coronavirus Antibody Testing Shows Lower Fatality Rate For Infection : Shots - Health News : NPR

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Mounting evidence suggests the coronavirus is more common and less deadly than it first appeared.

The evidence comes from tests that detect antibodies to the coronavirus in a person's blood rather than the virus itself.

The tests are finding large numbers of people in the U.S. who were infected but never became seriously ill. And when these mild infections are included in coronavirus statistics, the virus appears less dangerous.

"The current best estimates for the infection fatality risk are between 0.5% and 1%," says Caitlin Rivers, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

That's in contrast with death rates of 5% or more based on calculations that included only people who got sick enough to be diagnosed with tests that detect the presence of virus in a person's body.
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