Anyone still playing World of Warcraft?

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by saldana

...me and Daxor ran 5 heroics...

How long did it take you to run 5 heroics?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

if we had run those same 5 heroics with all five guys being from the same realm, there would have been 75 items coming back to the AH.

if anything, this is going to create a seller's market (i guess you didnt really say if you thought it was going to be positive or negative impact)

How does adding more items create a sellers market? There is a finite number of different items. The more of those items that are introduced the less they are worth.

[flere-imsaho]

The cost of enchanting mats going down (due to greater availability on the AH) might be offset by the increased funds players have from running instances (and getting the cash rewards, including the new cash rewards from choosing "random"). Plus, in the short-term, as everyone gears up to Tier 10 and Emblems of Frost gear, enchanting mats (and jewels) will be back in demand as everyone re-enchants/re-gems their gear.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

How long did it take you to run 5 heroics?

about 4 1/2 hours, and that was with 3 wipes in ToC and 3 more in HoS (crappy shaman healers that kept thinking they should stand IN FRONT of the tank)

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

How does adding more items create a sellers market? There is a finite number of different items. The more of those items that are introduced the less they are worth.

there arent more items coming back...there are less because 4/5 of the items from each run are going to different realms

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

The cost of enchanting mats going down (due to greater availability on the AH) might be offset by the increased funds players have from running instances (and getting the cash rewards, including the new cash rewards from choosing "random"). Plus, in the short-term, as everyone gears up to Tier 10 and Emblems of Frost gear, enchanting mats (and jewels) will be back in demand as everyone re-enchants/re-gems their gear.

this is absolutely going to be true...i already need to get my gloves regemmed and reenchanted, and a new gem on my weapon, and thats only in 219s...by the time i get to 245s or whatever T10 is, i will have gone through 3 or 4 more sets of gems.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by saldana

about 4 1/2 hours, and that was with 3 wipes in ToC and 3 more in HoS (crappy shaman healers that kept thinking they should stand IN FRONT of the tank)

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

there arent more items coming back...there are less because 4/5 of the items from each run are going to different realms



.

But there are more people runninig instances and doing them a lot faster.

Hypotheticaly 5 people from the same server want to run an instance, they have to get a pug, etc...

Those same 5 people from the same server will still run that instance now, just do it with 5 different groups, and do it faster. Which gives them time to run more instances and get more gear to list.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Rizon

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by saldana

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

LOL ... sounds like a good example of why I never PUG.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by saldana

it is when your dps priest decides to pull the black knight before the tank, and the healer decides to stand between the tank and the risen ghoul so when it runs in, it pulls on the healer, who after you rescue him with a misdirect, decides to stand right next to the tank, and is apparently not running deadlybossmods or paying attention to which ghoul has the mark over his head becasue he is about to explode....i have never seen a healer get killed as fast as this guy did

the tank and were screaming on Vent about how blatantly dumb they were.

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose.

the best was the tank, who is a RL friend, totally focused on the black night and trying to kite all the ghouls so he didnt see what was going on (i am a hunter, and was at the edge of my range, right where i should be, so I had a great view of the healer getting pwned)....when the tank dies without ever receiving a heal, he asked me where the hell the healer was...all i said was "he died first, in less than 10 seconds" and the slew of profanities was priceless.

[Lathum]

lol, I can see Dave reacting that way.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Rizon

It's possible to wipe in ToC?

The only wipes I see in HToC (and these are only PUGs - guild 5-mans sleep through HToC) are either:

1. Some unfortunate luck with Paletress when she summons the other mob (like the mob immediately ganking the healer).

2. People forgetting (or not seeing, for some reason) the exploding zombies during the Black Knight.

Having said that, even in PUGs I have always been able to clear it for the past two months or so even if (as with my most recent run, prior to 3.3) I had to do, literally, 50% of the overall damage on Black Knight. (See, we're not all huntards. )

[spleen1015]

I ran Deadmines last night using the new Dungeon Finder. It took about 5-10 minutes to get a group, but everything functioned well from there.

A couple of the folks in the group were 3-4 levels higher than me, so they pulled a lot of aggro. We wiped when we got to the ship and someone aggroed the whole damn boat, then the healer quit. We got a new healer quickly and finished up.

I got a really nice Rare belt from the goody bag.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I ran Deadmines last night using the new Dungeon Finder. It took about 5-10 minutes to get a group, but everything functioned well from there.

A couple of the folks in the group were 3-4 levels higher than me, so they pulled a lot of aggro. We wiped when we got to the ship and someone aggroed the whole damn boat, then the healer quit. We got a new healer quickly and finished up.

I got a really nice Rare belt from the goody bag.

i have had the pull of the whole boat happen in groups that I knew everyone...those ramps are a pain in the ass, and if you dont know exactly where cookie is, he can wander over your head and grab...did you do it on Redi?

[spleen1015]

I did it on a Pally I have on my main's realm. Redi will be 20 (hopefully) by the time we go Monday. I want to have Consecration available to me.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

I did it on a Pally I have on my main's realm. Redi will be 20 (hopefully) by the time we go Monday. I want to have Consecration available to me.

i want you to have consecration available to you too

my wife and kids are leaving tonight for the weekend, so I plan on doing very little other than play Wow...anyone that wants to run on sentinels let me know and I will switch over if i'm not busy.

[MacroGuru]

alright I am going to roll a new toon tonight...what server so when I play, I can play with everyone.

[SirFozzie]

Sentinels/Alliance

I've created my Rogue, Dagran btw.. it'll be a race to be DM ready Monday night.

BTW, if everyone's on steam we may do voice chat (or I think someone had a vent server)

[thealmighty]

Rolled a Dwarf hunter (didn't see anyone with one). Up to lvl 7.

[spleen1015]

I am going to start a guild for us. Thinking of names, I'm looking for something FOFC related like 'jb's Dictator Trouts' or something.

Anyone have an good ideas?

[spleen1015]

I have the charter going for "What No Trout Option".

Ping Redi when you're on and we'll get it going.

[MacroGuru]

Just rolled my toon...Myrdore, Female Night Elf Druid.

[JediKooter]

Just created a character on Sentinels...Smiddy. Created a paladin and am in Northshire Valley.

[Lonnie]

Well I haven't played in two years either, but I used that 7-day anniversary freebie. I rolled a Warlock named Lonn on Sentinels.

[MacroGuru]

I will be back on when I am done watching UFC.

[thealmighty]

Things sure are different than when I started my first toon...

I remember not even being able to afford my mount until lvl 44 I was so broke. Now, at lvl 10, I already have 5 gold.

[SirFozzie]

Think that's insane? I have a Blood Elf Pally (L18) on Moon Guard with 90+ gold. Why? Because there are tons of creatures who drop 1-2 Small Eggs in the BE Starting Zone each. Those eggs go for BIG money on the AH

[SirFozzie]

Anyone who is on, type /join FOFC ad it will set up a chat channel for us as well..

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by thealmighty

Things sure are different than when I started my first toon...

I remember not even being able to afford my mount until lvl 44 I was so broke. Now, at lvl 10, I already have 5 gold.

Making gold can be ridiculously easy with the right professions. I'm inscription/herbalist. Right now I'm selling Vellums and Frost Lotus, before that I was crafting the cards but that relied on a little too much luck for my liking. Earlier this morning I hit 21k gold. There's a way to make thousands of gold a day with inscription by basically making every glyph in the game and selling them each for around 2-3g but you need a ton of addons and patience to make it work and I'm way too lazy for that.

[spleen1015]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Anyone who is on, type /join FOFC ad it will set up a chat channel for us as well..

Do we need a chat channel when we have guild chat?

[spleen1015]

Foz, if you see this, I'm on that same People's Militia quest. Come back and we can knock it out.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

1. Some unfortunate luck with Paletress when she summons the other mob (like the mob immediately ganking the healer).

If the healer gets killed by that mob they are an idiot. I have an 80 healer and imagine this.....when that add is spawned it spawns with a near empty threat table(whoever was the highest on the Paletress does start with just a little bit of threat on the add). The secret? It is really freaking simple, don't heal before the tank picks the add up or your heals will increase your threat over the tank's threat and bam, you are dead.

An even more simple solution is that if the add spawns on the healer the healer should take the time to run towards and behind the tank. That way there is no way you can pop off a heal before the tank gets threat. It really isn't hard, the add doesn't do anywhere close to enough damage that the healer can't wait until the tank has established threat before healing the tank up to full health.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

This is gold. A healer standing in front of the tank is priceless. Unless you are there I suppose.

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

[saldana]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

this is awesome, unless you are one of the other 4, so i guess its pretty much the same as my healer in front of the tank.

[spleen1015]

Deadmines tonight at 9pm EST.

Ping Redi, Saltana or Dagran in game to get a guild invite.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by spleen1015

Deadmines tonight at 9pm EST.

Ping Redi, Saltana or Dagran in game to get a guild invite.

i put the run on the guild calendar, but it woulnt let me send out actual invites until I have a level 20 toon on the realm/in the guild

you should still be able to sign up on there yourself though.

[Lonnie]

Signed up and ready. Up to level 19 with the Warlock. I have soul stone so that should help out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by dubb93

I have an 80 mage that isn't guilded and I get on him sometimes when I just want to mess around with people or do something stupid.....I have ran a heroic with him before in all +strength/stam greens(well as much as I could get on the ah that was actually cloth) and done nothing but melee. I made sure I told the people in the group how awesome I am and told them how stupid I thought they were when they thought I should be standing back and casting. I was the group leader so they couldn't kick me......

this is why I don't run pug's.

[SirFozzie]

well, just a few hiccups, but Deadmines COMPLETE!

[saldana]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

well, just a few hiccups, but Deadmines COMPLETE!

i thought it was a real good run...the stupid ship is just hard...i think most level appropriate groups have some issues there

and once i remembered how far away i need to stand, i think we were doing pretty well.

[spleen1015]

Yeah, the aggro issues around the boat suck. We saw some out of ordinary aggoring last night.

[RainMaker]

[saldana]

so are we gonna grind at all on our own/small groups between now and next week, or just stay parked and run SFK or WC next week, since we can just port right into them

also, spleen, do we have a guild bank tab? i thought the first one was free?..if it isnt free, how much does it cost? i have a bunch of BoE gear from quests that other classes could use (mail, swords, cloth, etc), plus pots from alchemy

[Lathum]

hey all, I have some time this week and can grind my way up but will be away the next 2 Mondays so will miss out on anything.

I'll post before I log on if anyone is around and wants to run.

[SirFozzie]

I'll be on, trying to get to 25 or so, but if anyone needs a DM/WC run, I'll be glad to help out

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

I'll be on, trying to get to 25 or so, but if anyone needs a DM/WC run, I'll be glad to help out

My goal is to maybe get to 15 tomorrow then run deadmines in a PUG to catch up with you guys.

[JediKooter]

My character is at 15 right now and about half way to 16. I should be on tonight after work.

[Lathum]

I am out tonight but in Wed/Thu for sure.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by Lathum

this is why I don't run pug's.

I honestly can't believe you can play the game and not pug. I would say that my successful pug rate would be around 90%+. That ofcourse goes down once you get into raids and I would say that pug raids are probably below 50%, but hell that is what is a guild is for. I couldn't imagine never having a pug 5 man considering 5 mans are so easy that I have 3 manned alot of them, including heroics. My priest could literally keep a tank up in heroics for like 20 minutes before he would need mana. Hell I normally go an entire heroic run without a mana break. I can't imagine the fail you have seen to completely scare you off of pug 5 mans.