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Old 10-31-2006, 04:15 PM   #2251
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Fouts, I wish you had scanned someone else but after a review of Day 2 posts I believe your scan results.

Post #772


Vote at the time?
Lathum (Umbrella) - 5
Cronin (STARS) - 4
SnDvls (Umbrella) - 3
Brian (Umbrella) -2
Alan (STARS) - 2

Then Chief (Umbrella) rolled in and initially voted for Cronin to tie it up, before switching when he realized how that could play out for his faction.

Wow, what a horrible day for the Umbrella, and a horrible spot for Chief to be in.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:16 PM   #2252
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Umbrella is not going to win this one. Neither are the zombies. We tried a bluff yesterday with the claim that there were two zombies remaining, but nobody bought it. All we can do now is take out the last zombie and move on.

So you are saying DC is the last zombie, and Chief is saying spleen is a zombie. I don't get it.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:18 PM   #2253
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So you are saying DC is the last zombie, and Chief is saying spleen is a zombie. I don't get it.

Ok, wait, maybe I do.

Chief was bluffing to get us to knock off a STARS and save SnDvls. I believe Chief does know spleen's faction. Whether he tells us the truth is another story.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:29 PM   #2254
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Yep, think we are playing a shell game here.
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Old 10-31-2006, 04:38 PM   #2255
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I think it is pretty clear that the Umbrella's wanted us to lynch Spleen last night. But it would have been preferable for them to lynch STARS instead of Zombie, all things being equal. They had three people last night and were looking at a game with seven people today.

The only way I think that Spleen turns up as a Zombie is if Chief really thought we would refuse his generous offer yesterday and then distrust him again today. That requires a pretty decent amount of foresight - my hat is off to him if he was playing it that way. Even if he was do to that, they would need help to have Fouts avoid positively identifying a Zombie today - Zombie night kill, Fouts choosing a non-Zombie, or something else I haven't considered.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:09 PM   #2256
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If I follow this, then...

The claim now is that there were five STARS yesterday, one zombie, and three Umbrella. Umbrella was trying to get us to hit a STARS in the lynch, and then they would count on the remaining zombie to clear out another, and that would leave Umbrella in control. If they had pulled it off, they would have won.

Instead, we all united on one of the Umbrella players, triggering a one-for-one exchange and leaving four STARS, one zombie, and two Umbrella.

Do we presume, then, that they are claiming to throw up their hands on this because we have refused to play along and direct suspicion toward any of the remaining STARS players?

Should we give any credence to the possibility that they are still in the same endgame strategy?

I'm thinking not, because that doesn't work with the players who have been pushed for votes.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:13 PM   #2257
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Dola, actually, Umbrella would not have been in complete control, it would have set up a standoff where the zombie would probably be able to manipulate a win.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:24 PM   #2258
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MrW, we could be in a situation where we have a 3-2-2 ratio. If that is the case, we strongly suspect who the two Zombies are - both Spleen and Dodgerchick. More on this below.

But if we are at 4-2-1 then we have a 50/50 today. If we miss on the lynch, you still have the option to snipe the other person tonight. I can go ahead and guard you so you can complete that action. No more zombies = STARS win.

Only risk here is if we somehow have an incomplete read on one of the five identified players. You can not be falsely in the circle based on a snipe and no counter-claim. I know that I am in the circle. I can't fathom Fouts being a converted IA and having made the move he did on Night 4 - all my suspicious scenarios revolved around him as potential Umbrella.

So, I trust Fouts. And that means BrianD is Umbrella (viewed last night). Which means that we know four people out of the remaining seven if you trust my analysis here.

Remaining three:
- Rum could actually be the converted Umbrella like Spleen has suggested, but he has no way of knowing this unless they are both Zombies.

- We do not know about Spleen or DC, thus they are the vote options for this lynch.
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:45 PM   #2259
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Looking at how things went down yesterday, unless the Chief was attempting reverse psychology (push Spleen in the anticipation that we wouldn't go for him), I feel fairly confident that Umbrella believed spleen to be STARS, although I'm still a little mystified as to what Brian was trying to do.

If that's the case, we've got the right vote today, with the outside possibility that spleen is right and the Chief is a convert.

I'm going to be out for a while, and possibly not back before the deadline.
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Old 10-31-2006, 06:50 PM   #2260
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If the Dodgerchick lynch is successful and the game isn't over, I hope to hell Fouts can survive the night and scan me to prove what I am.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:03 PM   #2261
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Tough night for me as well, as I'm going to be in and out before the deadline. Hopefully I'll be around and available prior to the deadline in the event that there is anything odd transpiring.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:16 PM   #2262
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No worries guys, vote Dodgerchick and the game should end.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:42 PM   #2263
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No worries guys, vote Dodgerchick and the game should end.

LOL. You are a tough read.
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Old 10-31-2006, 08:27 PM   #2264
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*sigh*

So you guys are willing to lynch me because of a hunch? Alright, I think I made my peace with it. Don't be surprised when the results aren't what you're looking for.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:19 PM   #2265
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:23 PM   #2266
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Brian, the Chief has claimed to be the Umbrella seer. Do you have any reason to doubt that this is still the case? Has he claimed to get a scan since night 3 that gives knowledge that he wouldn't also obtain from receiving zombie PMs?
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:35 PM   #2267
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I just got back from the airport and I won't be able to participate all that much between now and deadline. My wife has been out of town for the last couple of days and is not going to be thrilled with me ignoring her on her return to play WW So I'm hoping we made the right decision earlier and will try to take at least one more look before the deadline in case there is anything late breaking.
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Old 10-31-2006, 09:57 PM   #2268
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Brian, the Chief has claimed to be the Umbrella seer. Do you have any reason to doubt that this is still the case? Has he claimed to get a scan since night 3 that gives knowledge that he wouldn't also obtain from receiving zombie PMs?

I have no reason to doubt it.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:03 PM   #2269
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Sorry, was busy here and kept me away the last hour. Not much changed though.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:05 PM   #2270
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Sorry, was busy here and kept me away the last hour. Not much changed though.

Nobody was here for anything to change.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:05 PM   #2271
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Yup, no change. I was around if we'd felt we needed to move.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:06 PM   #2272
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:07 PM   #2273
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I will join you soon...
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:07 PM   #2274
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Looks like I'm back in time to join the crowd awaiting results.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:08 PM   #2275
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Dodgerchick is lynched.

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Old 10-31-2006, 10:08 PM   #2276
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Chubby's here... and I see spleen is back too...
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:08 PM   #2277
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Wtf? Is that all I'm worth? One freaking line?!
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:09 PM   #2278
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OK, once we get the confirmation on her side, we're going to need to do some fancy footwork.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:10 PM   #2279
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3. Dodgerchick - Lynched Day Six - Umbrella
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:11 PM   #2280
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Looks like I'm back in time to join the crowd awaiting results.

So what'cha tell your wife?
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:12 PM   #2281
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So looks like there are still Zombies to hunt. Didn't really see that result coming ...
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:13 PM   #2282
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So what'cha tell your wife?

"Um, I have to check something on the computer ..."

She is getting ready for bed right now so I'm sneaking a couple of minutes in post-deadline.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:15 PM   #2283
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"Um, I have to check something on the computer ..."

She is getting ready for bed right now so I'm sneaking a couple of minutes in post-deadline.

lol

Alright, I'm out. Thanks again for letting me come aboard Chubbs, it's been fun.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:18 PM   #2284
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3. Dodgerchick - Lynched Day Six - Umbrella

Somebody's pulling a fast one.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:19 PM   #2285
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hoops, what do you make of the situation?
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:20 PM   #2286
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Well, that didn't happen as I planned.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:21 PM   #2287
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I know one thing, WW is awesome.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:22 PM   #2288
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So you say...
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:22 PM   #2289
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So looks like there are still Zombies to hunt. Didn't really see that result coming ...

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Old 10-31-2006, 10:22 PM   #2290
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Somebody's playing a hell of a game, I'll give them that.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:24 PM   #2291
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I'm still trying to make out Umbrella's endgame here, though.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:27 PM   #2292
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So we have had Lathum, SnDvls, Anxiety/DC, BrianD, and Chief Rum all as Umbrella to start the game?

Chief is the only one who is not confirmed, but would the Umbrella let him represent himself as such?

Assuming Chief was telling the truth, Umbrella was basically in end-game mode yesterday with four members. Would have been in position to control the vote. Yet they pushed Spleen as the guy for us to lynch - any reason for them to actually give us a Zombie in that situation rather than have us lynch a STARS?

Fouts, hope to see you tomorrow morning to lock this game up.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:35 PM   #2293
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Amusing that I ask both Brian and DC to move their votes on Day 4, one follows and the other doesn't. Both are Umbrella. Perfect.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:38 PM   #2294
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If Fouts were actually the Umbrella seer, but represented as IA... and the Chief were a zombie who decided to try to hide in plain view as the Umbrella seer (dunno how that would work, being as how he wouldn't know Fouts was dissembling unless he were himself a convert, maybe the converted STARS seer)... would Umbrella play along with that, seeing an opportunity to play off of him against us?
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OK, I need to crash for the night. Protect order submitted. Would love to strategize on this tonight but I do not want to neglect the home front any more than I already have tonight. Catch up with you guys tomorrow.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:39 PM   #2296
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Dola, wow, we've had several lynch votes where we've managed to set Umbrella vs. umbrella.
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:39 PM   #2297
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hoops, will you be in before deadline?
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Old 10-31-2006, 10:55 PM   #2298
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Well, spleen, what do you think now that your sure zombie has proven to be not so sure after all?
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Old 10-31-2006, 11:11 PM   #2299
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Well, you guys saw through my bluff and offed DC. We had four members yesterday with SnDvls. Now we have two, with SnDvls and DC gone. You guys have three members, not the four you envision.

You still have numbers, and I think that means the zombie will go after one of you tonight. If he succeeds, it will be 2-2-1--and anyone's ball game.

I would say I am rooting for you guys, but of course, I am not. If the zombie kills one of you, it opens up things for Brian and me.
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Well, spleen, what do you think now that your sure zombie has proven to be not so sure after all?

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