.400 Closing Up Shop - Page 2

Mac Howard · 12-15-2005, 01:09 AM

I find this very sad. I don't think gamers realise what enormous effort and passion goes into publishing these text sims often for little reward and it's a sad day when all that comes to nothing. Best of luck in whatever you take up now Farrah.

Antmeister · 12-15-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

It did suck, that's for sure. But now that it's over, I'm trying to look back at the positives and make sure I appreciate the lessons I learned.

And it did almost kill Arlie's passion for making games. There was a period of time where he really had to soul search to make sure he wanted to do this again. There was also a point during all of it where I wondered if our marriage would survive. Making games for a living was his dream, and we were in the middle of this mess. I wasn't budging on certain issues, and he wanted to give away the farm to get things done. I think we came out of it stronger than ever, but for a while I was very worried.

And to make things worse, I got myself knocked up during the whole thing. Ugh. Try having a conference call with three attorneys trying to keep your lunch down and dealing with whether or not the proper word is "will" or "shall" for section 3 of the agreement.

Wow! I figured it was rough, but I didn't realize it was this rough. I guess as this whole thing was going down, I was actually glad to see that he was back to creating games again. There are a number of situations when the wife or husband would have deterred the other from wanting to achieve their dream after something like this. And from a certain standpoint, it can be understood. I actually didn't think I would see him programming until after everything was over. But things have worked out for you guys and know you have a little guy to take care of. So it appears that this situation did nothing but strengthen your foundation. Cool.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

Joe Stallings is a douchebag.

And I'm quite sure there are those who think I'm a douchebag. No one comes out of a mess like this smelling like roses.

Hurst2112 · 12-15-2005, 01:18 AM

ok, ok...cracked open the wine...

what about a discount?

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac Howard

I find this very sad. I don't think gamers realise what enormous effort and passion goes into publishing these text sims often for little reward and it's a sad day when all that comes to nothing. Best of luck in whatever you take up now Farrah.

Thanks for the kind wishes Mac (and you too Joe Canadian).

But I don't look at it as coming to nothing - lessons were learned here. Sure the company is gone, and three decent games are going away for good. But each person involved learned something - whether it was about themselves or about how they want to do business in the future...something. We're walking away with tools for the future.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:18 AM

Dola - man did that sound sappy. Sorry. But you get my point, right?

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

ok, ok...cracked open the wine...

what about a discount?

TPF for $15. You said you hadn't bought it yet.

Coder · 12-15-2005, 01:25 AM

Lets just hope that Greydog becomes what you wanted with .400.

You're off to a solid start, that's for sure.

JeeberD · 12-15-2005, 01:30 AM

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do in the future, Farrah...

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do in the future, Farrah...

Thanks Jeebie-poo.

KeyserSoze · 12-15-2005, 02:38 AM

Well... I understand that Mrs. Whitworth-Rahn has had a lot of troubles with all .400 mess. And I will miss .400 forum. But that's all. People who loves text-sims is making text-sims. I think the situation of Fast Break is more sad (as I think ther will be no more FBB games).

As a big man said "No matter if there are .400 cats or the cat is grey, the main thing is the cat hunts mouses."

SackAttack · 12-15-2005, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Thanks Jeebie-poo.

I thought that was bbor's line.

Icy · 12-15-2005, 03:03 AM

I can't say i'm sad, as thanks to all that troubles with .400, a new company was born way stronger on GDS. Well done Farrah on supporting Arlie at the end on pursuing his dream and on getting over any possible marriage problem caused by all the .400 mess. You both can be really proud of each other and i'm sure you are.

Over this years i have past from disliking .400 staff to being part of the beta team at GDS for BBCF and to have the pleasure to work with Arlie and to realize how hard is to develop a game and how much pressure we the fans put over the developers. Also learned how a new baby can affect your life and your schedule

It's helping me to plan ahead before my wife gives birth to our little girl in 3 months, as i know how messy will be my schedule, not good when your work as self employed.

Tim Tellean · 12-15-2005, 07:49 AM

A reprint of my post from GDS.
A very sad day has come for me. Arlie's Coaching a Dynasty brought me back to the world of sim games after many years away. I enjoyed CAD so much that when Tournament Dreams College Basketball was released I bought it. Hundreds of hours of fun followed for me and when Total Pro Football was released I bought it. A little helping with TPF patches and Arlie and TC asked me to co-moderate the TPF forum. I've enjoyed the hours of playing and testing all the games and am very sad to see that familiar and comforting .400 banner be folded.
I know through all the bitterness and harsh words that people posted in the forum through the last year they did it out of love. I think we all feel a loss but joy is on the horizon with all the great programmers moving to Grey Dog Software. I know for me it's great to see Arlie, Gary and Adam continue the fine groundwork that .400 laid down.
Hey does anyone remember a few guys with a little baseball game? OOT something....or Shaun and Puresim and the others that over the years that made .400 software studios such a special place.
I'm going to miss the political debates that happened on the forums and the knowledge that even in the final hours people do care for all the friends at .400 that we made and lost.
TC Dale a true champion of the boards and a person I truly call friend. I look forward to a long friendship with you and your family.
Arlie and Farrah thanks for everything you've done for me. I also number you among my friends.
Scott Vibert behind the scenes he did so for .400 and a person I also call friend.
Gary Gorski I appreciate your letting me help to make your basketball games and I look forward to a continued friendship.
Thanks to everyone that made .400 Software Studios such a special place.

Samdari · 12-15-2005, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

im sorry too. 400 is going be known for coming up short with a football sim. that's a pretty shitty legacy (ala Sierra Studios).

I bought TPF, and was disappointed in general, but I will choose to remember it for the good it brought the genre. The draft had much more personality and immersiveness than FOF's, and I cannot help but think that it at least contributed in some small part to the inclusion of multiplayer in FOF2k4.

Congrats on the closing, Farrah?

And stop talking about wearing spit up - you're getting us all hot

Raiders Army · 12-15-2005, 08:10 AM

Good luck with Grey Dog! Like Samdari, I was disappointed with TPF, but I don't think I could do any better making a text-sim.

I hope that this is for the best and wish you the best of luck!

albionmoonlight · 12-15-2005, 08:17 AM

Good luck and best wishes going forward.

sachmo71 · 12-15-2005, 08:46 AM

Good luck, Farrah. I hope things work out the way you want them to.

Buccaneer · 12-15-2005, 08:59 AM

.400 got me into OOTP4 which led to OOTP5 and made my gameplaying days much more fun and lasting.

Farrah, can you restate the ownership situation of GDS?

General Mike · 12-15-2005, 09:06 AM

Sorry about everything that happened Farrah. Hopefully you guys can enjoy the holidays this year.

I better download TDCB and CAD while I still have the chance.

Subby · 12-15-2005, 09:09 AM

I'll miss Stallings' pretty interfaces.

JeeberD · 12-15-2005, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

I thought that was bbor's line.

Is it my fault that I'm loved by all?

vtbub · 12-15-2005, 09:19 AM

Glad you guys got through this. Best of luck in your future.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

.400 got me into OOTP4 which led to OOTP5 and made my gameplaying days much more fun and lasting.

Farrah, can you restate the ownership situation of GDS?

I can, since that's public record. Might need a flere diagram to accompany the entity structure though.

Grey Dog Software, LLC is a single member LLC owned by Grey Dog Media Group, LLC. Grey Dog Media Group is owned 50/50 by Arlie and myself. I'm the equity partner, and have nothing to do with the operations.

GDS is an operating LLC - meaning it owns nothing of substance. Each game developer owns the various trademarks and copyrights to their products. The devloper then contracts with GDS to publish their games. For you EULA militants - GDS is required to obtain permission from each developer to do so. GDS is also authorized by each developer to protect their trademarks and copyrights when necessary. It wouldn't be uncommon for both GDS and the developer's LLC to contact someone found to be violating the EULA or otherwise profiting from their products without permission.

BBCF and whatever games Arlie writes from this point forward are owned by yet another LLC - Grey Dog Game Design, LLC. He owns that LLC individually. Both Gary and Adam have LLC's (or the UK equivalent) that own their products.

Sounds confusing, and unneccessarily complicated. But it's set up this way for a reason and it seems to be working quite well.

FWIW, I also have a single member LLC to house all my projects from this point forward - FWR Financial Services, LLC. I'm looking for someone to help me get a website set up so if anyone's looking to make some extra cash....

EDIT - Actually I do all the accounting work for all these entities, so to say that I have nothing to do with GDS isn't really accurate. I'll also give Arlie advice if he asks, but I don't have any say in release dates or anything like that.

Samdari · 12-15-2005, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I'll also give Arlie advice if he asks.

A wife that waits to be asked to give her opinions to her husband.

I don't believe a word of it.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Samdari

A wife that waits to be asked to give her opinions to her husband.

I don't believe a word of it.

Believe it - this is his deal, not mine. Of course I'll offer suggestions and comments on what the numbers are telling me, but my comments are limited to financial issues in that situation.

albionmoonlight · 12-15-2005, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

I can, since that's public record. Might need a flere diagram to accompany the entity structure though.

Grey Dog Software, LLC is a single member LLC owned by Grey Dog Media Group, LLC. Grey Dog Media Group is owned 50/50 by Arlie and myself. I'm the equity partner, and have nothing to do with the operations.

GDS is an operating LLC - meaning it owns nothing of substance. Each game developer owns the various trademarks and copyrights to their products. The devloper then contracts with GDS to publish their games. For you EULA militants - GDS is required to obtain permission from each developer to do so. GDS is also authorized by each developer to protect their trademarks and copyrights when necessary. It wouldn't be uncommon for both GDS and the developer's LLC to contact someone found to be violating the EULA or otherwise profiting from their products without permission.

BBCF and whatever games Arlie writes from this point forward are owned by yet another LLC - Grey Dog Game Design, LLC. He owns that LLC individually. Both Gary and Adam have LLC's (or the UK equivalent) that own their products.

Sounds confusing, and unneccessarily complicated. But it's set up this way for a reason and it seems to be working quite well.

FWIW, I also have a single member LLC to house all my projects from this point forward - FWR Financial Services, LLC. I'm looking for someone to help me get a website set up so if anyone's looking to make some extra cash....

EDIT - Actually I do all the accounting work for all these entities, so to say that I have nothing to do with GDS isn't really accurate. I'll also give Arlie advice if he asks, but I don't have any say in release dates or anything like that.

Lawyers. Complicating your lives, one LLC at a time.

MalcPow · 12-15-2005, 10:17 AM

Congratulations. Good to see that you guys have found some personal and professional peace after a long road of bullcrap. I feel like the whole community learned a lot from this as well. Hopefully that means better games (or companies) for everyone in the end, or, at the very least, a groundwork has been laid for a steady stream of future douche bag jokes.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-15-2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Might need a flere diagram to accompany the entity structure though.

I understood it I think ... which scares me.

Surtt · 12-15-2005, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hurst2112

im sorry too. 400 is going be known for coming up short with a football sim. that's a pretty shitty legacy (ala Sierra Studios).

Unfortunately, In my mind, I will always associate .400 with the bad launch of TPF. (I think the final version is pretty good, but the damage was done.)

I'm glad Arlie can burry that with .400, and get a fresh start with GDS for BBCF.

Bonegavel · 12-15-2005, 10:40 AM

Just "advise" Arlie to get cracking on a Pro Football sister-game to BBCF. Break out those whips and chains that I hear are popular in Arizona.

Emiliano · 12-15-2005, 11:08 AM

Farrah: good luck for everything you want to do. And please, suggest Arlie to do a pro football game in the future...

hoosiergoody · 12-15-2005, 11:42 AM

Best wishes. How long before the forums close? Love some of the dynasty posts there, especially AZTarheel's Steve Victory...

Anthony · 12-15-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Yoga pants and tank, jacket, tennies and a ponytail.

And spit up from Baby Rahn's dinner.

work it, sister.

Aardvark · 12-15-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

In general, it depends on how parties involve wish to devide the game. Some businesses prefer to look at a whole product, others divide games up in to pieces.

I'm not going to get any more specific about this situation other than to say I retain the rights to the code.

So as a wild speculation there could be further products based on that code base, such as "Police Athletic League Recreational Basketball", or something like that. (Hey, if EA thinks that, of all things, a college baseball game will sell...)

Senator · 12-15-2005, 12:39 PM

/pour 40 ounce

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonegavel

Just "advise" Arlie to get cracking on a Pro Football sister-game to BBCF. Break out those whips and chains that I hear are popular in Arizona.

Whips and chains? Where in Arizona is this, and I mean I'll need directions...

Arlie's not thinking too much about a pro-game at the moment. He seems focused on making sure people are pleased with BBCF.

Edit to add - at least he hasn't discussed it with me. I'm sure he has with Jason W. (wheels).

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hoosiergoody

Best wishes. How long before the forums close? Love some of the dynasty posts there, especially AZTarheel's Steve Victory...

End of January they'll be shut down.

Farrah Whitworth-Rahn · 12-15-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Aardvark

So as a wild speculation there could be further products based on that code base, such as "Police Athletic League Recreational Basketball", or something like that. (Hey, if EA thinks that, of all things, a college baseball game will sell...)

Yes, it is wild speculation. It's going to be California Penal Athletic League Basketball.

stevew · 12-15-2005, 01:19 PM

Someone needs to make a church league softball sim.

KWhit · 12-15-2005, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Farrah Whitworth-Rahn

Yes, it is wild speculation. It's going to be California Penal Athletic League Basketball.

Heh heh.

She said penal.

hoosiergoody · 12-15-2005, 02:50 PM

they won't turn it into a church league softball game- it wasn't created to handle profanity and the like that comes with that ! (unfortunately that is often the case w/ those leagues. not always. just remember seeing more fights there than in the city leagues).

Sad to see .400 end the way it did, but glad that you can now move on. If only we all could have the approach of these situations being learning opportunities...

BuffaloHuskey · 12-15-2005, 02:53 PM

Farrah -

What type of services will FWR Financial Services offer? (I am assuming Tax services and bookkeeping)

Although not a big tax person, I am a CPA, who is part of three LLC's and works for one of the evil 4 firms. If you ever need to bounce a question off anyone, feel free to PM me

Honolulu_Blue · 12-15-2005, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Draft Dodger

must be something about Red Wings fans. Other than HB, they're all pretty easy to rile up.

WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT ME, YOU A$$H*LE!!!?!?11!?1!?! I BET YOU WOULDN'T SAY IT TO MY FACE!!1!!1

As to the thread, glad to see you are able to put this behind you Farah. Seems like, despite how painful it was, you've come out the other side all the better. Good luck!

Pumpy Tudors · 12-15-2005, 03:07 PM

Farrah, if you need to bounce yourself off anyone, feel free to PM me.

JeeberD · 12-15-2005, 03:10 PM

You bastards need to quit trying to cut in on my action...

Schmidty · 12-15-2005, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

WHAT THE F*CK ARE YOU SAYING ABOUT ME, YOU A$$H*LE!!!?!?11!?1!?! I BET YOU WOULDN'T SAY IT TO MY FACE!!1!!1

As to the thread, glad to see you are able to put this behind you Farah. Seems like, despite how painful it was, you've come out the other side all the better. Good luck!

Dude, stop trying to steal my role.

Pumpy Tudors · 12-15-2005, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

You bastards need to quit trying to cut in on my action...

Haha, I'm going to sneak in there while you're watching the G-Mac Bowl. How the hell did that guy get his own bowl game anyway??

st.cronin · 12-15-2005, 03:13 PM

If Kodos really wanted to cause trouble, his next 'hot or not' thread would be about Farrah.

JeeberD · 12-15-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pumpy Tudors

Haha, I'm going to sneak in there while you're watching the G-Mac Bowl. How the hell did that guy get his own bowl game anyway??

I'll beat your ass all the way back to New Orleans if I catch you, you no good so and so!

12-15-2005, 01:18 AM	#54
Hurst2112 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Minneapolis	ok, ok...cracked open the wine... what about a discount? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/longliveanalog

12-15-2005, 01:25 AM	#58
Coder College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Lets just hope that Greydog becomes what you wanted with .400. You're off to a solid start, that's for sure. __________________ IFL - Vermont Mountaineers ~ I am an idiot, walking a tight rope of fortunate things ~

12-15-2005, 01:30 AM	#59
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Best of luck in whatever you decide to do in the future, Farrah... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

12-15-2005, 09:06 AM	#70
General Mike Pro Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The State of Rutgers	Sorry about everything that happened Farrah. Hopefully you guys can enjoy the holidays this year. I better download TDCB and CAD while I still have the chance. __________________ Boise Stampede Continental Football League Jacksonville Jaguars GM North American Football League Nebraska Coach FOFC-BBCF Rutgers & Washington coach Bowl Bound-BBCF

12-15-2005, 09:09 AM	#71
Subby lolzcat Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: sans pants	I'll miss Stallings' pretty interfaces. __________________ Superman was flying around and saw Wonder Woman getting a tan in the nude on her balcony. Superman said I going to hit that real fast. So he flys down toward Wonder Woman to hit it and their is a loud scream. The Invincible Man scream what just hit me in the ass!!!!! I do shit, I take pictures, I write about it: chrisshue.com

12-15-2005, 01:18 AM	#56
Farrah Whitworth-Rahn Red-Headed Vixen Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Dola - man did that sound sappy. Sorry. But you get my point, right?

12-15-2005, 02:38 AM	#61
KeyserSoze H.S. Freshman Team Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Spain	Well... I understand that Mrs. Whitworth-Rahn has had a lot of troubles with all .400 mess. And I will miss .400 forum. But that's all. People who loves text-sims is making text-sims. I think the situation of Fast Break is more sad (as I think ther will be no more FBB games). As a big man said "No matter if there are .400 cats or the cat is grey, the main thing is the cat hunts mouses."

12-15-2005, 03:03 AM	#63
Icy Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo - Spain	I can't say i'm sad, as thanks to all that troubles with .400, a new company was born way stronger on GDS. Well done Farrah on supporting Arlie at the end on pursuing his dream and on getting over any possible marriage problem caused by all the .400 mess. You both can be really proud of each other and i'm sure you are. Over this years i have past from disliking .400 staff to being part of the beta team at GDS for BBCF and to have the pleasure to work with Arlie and to realize how hard is to develop a game and how much pressure we the fans put over the developers. Also learned how a new baby can affect your life and your schedule It's helping me to plan ahead before my wife gives birth to our little girl in 3 months, as i know how messy will be my schedule, not good when your work as self employed.

12-15-2005, 07:49 AM	#64
Tim Tellean High School JV Join Date: Dec 2005	A reprint of my post from GDS. A very sad day has come for me. Arlie's Coaching a Dynasty brought me back to the world of sim games after many years away. I enjoyed CAD so much that when Tournament Dreams College Basketball was released I bought it. Hundreds of hours of fun followed for me and when Total Pro Football was released I bought it. A little helping with TPF patches and Arlie and TC asked me to co-moderate the TPF forum. I've enjoyed the hours of playing and testing all the games and am very sad to see that familiar and comforting .400 banner be folded. I know through all the bitterness and harsh words that people posted in the forum through the last year they did it out of love. I think we all feel a loss but joy is on the horizon with all the great programmers moving to Grey Dog Software. I know for me it's great to see Arlie, Gary and Adam continue the fine groundwork that .400 laid down. Hey does anyone remember a few guys with a little baseball game? OOT something....or Shaun and Puresim and the others that over the years that made .400 software studios such a special place. I'm going to miss the political debates that happened on the forums and the knowledge that even in the final hours people do care for all the friends at .400 that we made and lost. TC Dale a true champion of the boards and a person I truly call friend. I look forward to a long friendship with you and your family. Arlie and Farrah thanks for everything you've done for me. I also number you among my friends. Scott Vibert behind the scenes he did so for .400 and a person I also call friend. Gary Gorski I appreciate your letting me help to make your basketball games and I look forward to a continued friendship. Thanks to everyone that made .400 Software Studios such a special place.

12-15-2005, 08:10 AM	#66
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Good luck with Grey Dog! Like Samdari, I was disappointed with TPF, but I don't think I could do any better making a text-sim. I hope that this is for the best and wish you the best of luck!

12-15-2005, 08:17 AM	#67
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Good luck and best wishes going forward.

12-15-2005, 08:46 AM	#68
sachmo71 The boy who cried Trout Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: TX	Good luck, Farrah. I hope things work out the way you want them to.

12-15-2005, 08:59 AM	#69
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	.400 got me into OOTP4 which led to OOTP5 and made my gameplaying days much more fun and lasting. Farrah, can you restate the ownership situation of GDS?

12-15-2005, 09:19 AM	#73
vtbub College Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burlington, VT USA	Glad you guys got through this. Best of luck in your future. __________________

12-15-2005, 10:17 AM	#78
MalcPow College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Diego	Congratulations. Good to see that you guys have found some personal and professional peace after a long road of bullcrap. I feel like the whole community learned a lot from this as well. Hopefully that means better games (or companies) for everyone in the end, or, at the very least, a groundwork has been laid for a steady stream of future douche bag jokes.

12-15-2005, 10:40 AM	#81
Bonegavel Awaiting Further Instructions... Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Macungie, PA	Just "advise" Arlie to get cracking on a Pro Football sister-game to BBCF. Break out those whips and chains that I hear are popular in Arizona. __________________

12-15-2005, 11:08 AM	#82
Emiliano College Prospect Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nuremberg, Germany	Farrah: good luck for everything you want to do. And please, suggest Arlie to do a pro football game in the future... __________________ Xbox Live&PSN: Emiliano81 GM of the Rome Gladiators in the WOOF

12-15-2005, 11:42 AM	#83
hoosiergoody Mascot Join Date: Nov 2005	Best wishes. How long before the forums close? Love some of the dynasty posts there, especially AZTarheel's Steve Victory...

12-15-2005, 12:39 PM	#86
Senator FOFC's Elected Representative Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The stars at night; are big and bright	/pour 40 ounce __________________ "i have seen chris simms play 4-5 times in the pros and he's very clearly got it. he won't make a pro bowl this year, but it'll come. if you don't like me saying that, so be it, but its true. we'll just have to wait until then" imettrentgreen "looking at only ten games, and oddly using a median only, leaves me unmoved generally" - Quiksand

12-15-2005, 01:19 PM	#90
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Someone needs to make a church league softball sim.

12-15-2005, 02:50 PM	#92
hoosiergoody Mascot Join Date: Nov 2005	they won't turn it into a church league softball game- it wasn't created to handle profanity and the like that comes with that ! (unfortunately that is often the case w/ those leagues. not always. just remember seeing more fights there than in the city leagues). Sad to see .400 end the way it did, but glad that you can now move on. If only we all could have the approach of these situations being learning opportunities...

12-15-2005, 02:53 PM	#93
BuffaloHuskey Mascot Join Date: Aug 2005	Farrah - What type of services will FWR Financial Services offer? (I am assuming Tax services and bookkeeping) Although not a big tax person, I am a CPA, who is part of three LLC's and works for one of the evil 4 firms. If you ever need to bounce a question off anyone, feel free to PM me __________________ "Buffalo is the grundle of the weather system" -T-Shirt

12-15-2005, 03:07 PM	#95
Pumpy Tudors Bounty Hunter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pittsburgh, PA	Farrah, if you need to bounce yourself off anyone, feel free to PM me. __________________ No, I am not Batman, and I will not repair your food processor.

12-15-2005, 03:10 PM	#96
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	You bastards need to quit trying to cut in on my action... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

12-15-2005, 03:13 PM	#99
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	If Kodos really wanted to cause trouble, his next 'hot or not' thread would be about Farrah. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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