(Poll) How SHOULD Penn State be Penalized?

sterlingice · 07-22-2012, 12:17 PM

I'm not trying to take away from the discussion in the Sandusky thread but I did think this pair of polls would yield some curious results.

This is the thread for what they /SHOULD/ get if you were in charge of the NCAA.

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stevew · 07-22-2012, 12:22 PM

I'm hoping they get banned from FOFC

sterlingice · 07-22-2012, 12:29 PM

Ok, I thought about it for a while and came down with this:

Death Penalty: no football program for 2012
All players can transfer without penalty so the program will be starting over

Then harsh penalties for the next 2 seasons

No non-conference or postseason games for the next two years (I suspect with part 1, they were going to have a hard time with the postseason anyways)
After coming back online, they will lose 10 scholarships for the next 2 seasons
There will be no tv for those 2 seasons either
Some percentage of all gate revenue (50%?) will be set aside for a child abuse fund

Lastly:

Strict probation and NCAA compliance personnel onsite for the next 5 years

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britrock88 · 07-22-2012, 12:38 PM

Honestly, I'm much more interested in punishing the actors than the program. Because of that, I only selected money damages and a long probation period.

sterlingice · 07-22-2012, 12:48 PM

Whoops- I accidentally selected >1 year death penalty instead of 1 year as I had said. Too many poll options. What moron started this poll, anyway?

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MylesKnight · 07-22-2012, 01:03 PM

No option for the removal of PSU from Division I?

Young Drachma · 07-22-2012, 01:26 PM

Forced demotion to non-scholarship FCS is what I'd do with them and then affix a period of time before they'd ever be eligible to move up to FBS again. That'd kick them out of the B1G and just seems like the simplest way to do it.

BillJasper · 07-22-2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Forced demotion to non-scholarship FCS is what I'd do with them and then affix a period of time before they'd ever be eligible to move up to FBS again. That'd kick them out of the B1G and just seems like the simplest way to do it.

+1

Ben E Lou · 07-22-2012, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevew

I'm hoping they get banned from FOFC

BUWAHAHAHAHA

Toddzilla · 07-22-2012, 10:37 PM

Just make them forfeit ALL football related revenue - not just the profit, all of it - for 18 years

Lathum · 07-22-2012, 10:47 PM

I think if you let the players transfer without penalty the rest will handle itself. I hate to think that the current players are going to pay for something they had zero control over.

digamma · 07-22-2012, 10:49 PM

I see this as binary. The NCAA should either expel them or do nothing. Some sort of half assed probation, scholarship loss, etc. punishes the wrong people and eliminates a potential healing source.

The NCAA should focus on enforcing its own rule book rather than grand standing in a criminal and civil liability matter.

EagleFan · 07-22-2012, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I think if you let the players transfer without penalty the rest will handle itself. I hate to think that the current players are going to pay for something they had zero control over.

+1

Plus, get rid of anyone related to the scandal. At that point let everything else work itself out.

Passacaglia · 07-23-2012, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digamma

I see this as binary. The NCAA should either expel them or do nothing. Some sort of half assed probation, scholarship loss, etc. punishes the wrong people and eliminates a potential healing source.

The NCAA should focus on enforcing its own rule book rather than grand standing in a criminal and civil liability matter.

And for God's sake, don't do anything 'interesting' where people can't even agree on what the punishment actually is.

jbergey22 · 07-23-2012, 12:19 AM

The culture in Penn St needs to be changed. I dont think its the current players that should be punished so they should be allowed to transfer but Penn St the University needs to pay for their actions or lack there of.

LloydLungs · 07-23-2012, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbergey22

The culture in Penn St needs to be changed. I dont think its the current players that should be punished so they should be allowed to transfer but Penn St the University needs to pay for their actions or lack there of.

Every time I think the death penalty might be too harsh, I read the Penn State football message boards and that sets me straight.

RainMaker · 07-23-2012, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LloydLungs

Every time I think the death penalty might be too harsh, I read the Penn State football message boards and that sets me straight.

Yep. Just taking a look at them and it's clear how little has changed in that community. It's still all about their football.

Vince, Pt. II · 07-23-2012, 11:26 AM

So since they're being docked $60M, what happens to PSU's other athletic programs that require that revenue to function? I'm no college athletics economy scholar, but I seem to recall reading/hearing somewhere that for the most part, college athletics are largely funded by the "profitable" sports (football and basketball). I know that there has to be SOME punishment to try to curb future instances of this, but it seems like no matter what they do, many people who had absolutely no fault whatsoever in this instance are getting completely screwed.

sterlingice · 07-23-2012, 11:30 AM

Unfortunately, this one is really tough to reconcile without going straight to the "life is not fair" clause. There's no way to adequately punish those responsible in a solely personal matter. They also had a large sphere of influence and the culture they created there had a huge role to play in how this happened.

Also, you have to create a deterrent for future programs and the only way to do that is going to be with punishments that harm those who are not involved, namely the other athletes and students at the institution.

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Logan · 07-23-2012, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

So since they're being docked $60M, what happens to PSU's other athletic programs that require that revenue to function? I'm no college athletics economy scholar, but I seem to recall reading/hearing somewhere that for the most part, college athletics are largely funded by the "profitable" sports (football and basketball). I know that there has to be SOME punishment to try to curb future instances of this, but it seems like no matter what they do, many people who had absolutely no fault whatsoever in this instance are getting completely screwed.

They made it a point to say that the revenue couldn't be directed away from non-revenue sports in order to pay the fine. They also noted that money is fungible so who the hell really knows. It's a $12MM fine for 5 years on a program that netted about $40MM last year, so they'll be fine. And you also have the fact that the donors will be cutting this check fairly easily.

Inevitably though, you will hear some stories from the PSU faithful about how this has punished all the innocents, whether it's factual or not.

View Poll Results: How SHOULD Penn State be Penalized?
Death Penalty: >1 year	23	53.49%
Death Penalty: 1 year	6	13.95%
Kicked out of Big Ten	9	20.93%
Loss of non-conference games: >1 year	6	13.95%
Loss of non-conference games: 1 year	0	0%
Postseason ban: >3 years	10	23.26%
Postseason ban: 2-3 years	7	16.28%
Postseason ban: 1 year	1	2.33%
Empty stadium penalty: any duration	3	6.98%
All players can transfer without penalty	23	53.49%
Upperclassmen can transfer without penalty	1	2.33%
Loss of scholarships: 20+ for 3+ years	7	16.28%
Loss of scholarships: 20+ for 1-3 years	1	2.33%
Loss of scholarships: 11-19 for 3+ years	4	9.30%
Loss of scholarships: 11-19 for 1-3 years	3	6.98%
Loss of scholarships: <=10 for 3+ years	0	0%
Loss of scholarships: <=10 for 1-3 years	3	6.98%
No televised games: any duration	10	23.26%
Monetary damages (likely used for a child abuse fund)	22	51.16%
Reduced practice schedule: any duration	3	6.98%
Probation: 5+ years	14	32.56%
Probation: <=5 years	5	11.63%
Forfeit games going back to 1998	6	13.95%
Any other forfeit games penalty	0	0%
Other: Note in Thread	4	9.30%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

07-22-2012, 12:29 PM	#3
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ok, I thought about it for a while and came down with this: Death Penalty: no football program for 2012 All players can transfer without penalty so the program will be starting over Then harsh penalties for the next 2 seasons No non-conference or postseason games for the next two years (I suspect with part 1, they were going to have a hard time with the postseason anyways) After coming back online, they will lose 10 scholarships for the next 2 seasons There will be no tv for those 2 seasons either Some percentage of all gate revenue (50%?) will be set aside for a child abuse fund Lastly: Strict probation and NCAA compliance personnel onsite for the next 5 years SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

07-22-2012, 12:48 PM	#5
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Whoops- I accidentally selected >1 year death penalty instead of 1 year as I had said. Too many poll options. What moron started this poll, anyway? SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!" Last edited by sterlingice : 07-22-2012 at 12:48 PM.

07-22-2012, 01:03 PM	#6
MylesKnight College Benchwarmer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Neptune Beach, Florida	No option for the removal of PSU from Division I? __________________ IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BLACK & GOLD!!

07-23-2012, 11:30 AM	#19
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Unfortunately, this one is really tough to reconcile without going straight to the "life is not fair" clause. There's no way to adequately punish those responsible in a solely personal matter. They also had a large sphere of influence and the culture they created there had a huge role to play in how this happened. Also, you have to create a deterrent for future programs and the only way to do that is going to be with punishments that harm those who are not involved, namely the other athletes and students at the institution. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

07-22-2012, 12:22 PM	#2
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I'm hoping they get banned from FOFC

07-22-2012, 12:38 PM	#4
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	Honestly, I'm much more interested in punishing the actors than the program. Because of that, I only selected money damages and a long probation period.

07-22-2012, 01:26 PM	#7
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	Forced demotion to non-scholarship FCS is what I'd do with them and then affix a period of time before they'd ever be eligible to move up to FBS again. That'd kick them out of the B1G and just seems like the simplest way to do it.

07-22-2012, 10:37 PM	#10
Toddzilla Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Burke, VA	Just make them forfeit ALL football related revenue - not just the profit, all of it - for 18 years

07-22-2012, 10:47 PM	#11
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I think if you let the players transfer without penalty the rest will handle itself. I hate to think that the current players are going to pay for something they had zero control over.

07-22-2012, 10:49 PM	#12
digamma Torchbearer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: On Lake Harriet	I see this as binary. The NCAA should either expel them or do nothing. Some sort of half assed probation, scholarship loss, etc. punishes the wrong people and eliminates a potential healing source. The NCAA should focus on enforcing its own rule book rather than grand standing in a criminal and civil liability matter.

07-23-2012, 12:19 AM	#15
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	The culture in Penn St needs to be changed. I dont think its the current players that should be punished so they should be allowed to transfer but Penn St the University needs to pay for their actions or lack there of.

07-23-2012, 11:26 AM	#18
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	So since they're being docked $60M, what happens to PSU's other athletic programs that require that revenue to function? I'm no college athletics economy scholar, but I seem to recall reading/hearing somewhere that for the most part, college athletics are largely funded by the "profitable" sports (football and basketball). I know that there has to be SOME punishment to try to curb future instances of this, but it seems like no matter what they do, many people who had absolutely no fault whatsoever in this instance are getting completely screwed.

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