Werewolf XLIV: The Fightin’ Fundies vs. Them Gays - GAME OVER

[Blade6119]

So then why make an argument about tyrith joining the list so you two could have a standoff if you dont intend to add yourself to the list?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

So then why make an argument about tyrith joining the list so you two could have a standoff if you dont intend to add yourself to the list?

because I know I am good hence Tyrith is bad, I want him to be on the list as quickly as possible.

What you all don't see is Tyrith is doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of doing, stretching things out.

[Blade6119]

I see what your trying to say, but what does you current path net us? You know that were going to kill you before him...so all you doing in killing others is delaying tyriths death too. The longer you play this game, the longer tyrith lives. If your good, which you claim, and you want tyrith dead, which you claim, i dont see how you can ignore this fact. You are delaying tyriths death just as long as you delay your own. So if you are good, you will fall on the sword. One man is not bigger then the team, and if your good you will help the team in the bigger picture by sacrificing yourself to net us tyrith quickly

[hoopsguy]

Lathum, why do you think that you would come off the list?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

there is no point to me putting myself on the list. I would just be removed anyway.

Well, do it and we'll see for sure

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I see what your trying to say, but what does you current path net us? You know that were going to kill you before him...so all you doing in killing others is delaying tyriths death too. The longer you play this game, the longer tyrith lives. If your good, which you claim, and you want tyrith dead, which you claim, i dont see how you can ignore this fact. You are delaying tyriths death just as long as you delay your own. So if you are good, you will fall on the sword. One man is not bigger then the team, and if your good you will help the team in the bigger picture by sacrificing yourself to net us tyrith quickly

I disagree. Do you really think there would be a gay duke?

Once I duke myself I hope you realize I'm good.

[Blade6119]

tyrith, stop...im trying to have a serious talk with lathum, and im open to his ideas(like chief is)...dont antagonize lathum

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I disagree. Do you really think there would be a gay duke?

Once I duke myself I hope you realize I'm good.

Ok, if your the duke why wouldnt you want to go on the list and then duke it to tyrith and lynch him? That would be the perfect way to reach your goal

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Well, do it and we'll see for sure

The mechanic of my role is I can only remove myself during the night phase. If I was to get myself put on the list today I would be eligable to be lynched tonight, which would happen, and I wouldn't be able to use my ability.

[Tyrith]

No, seriously. It wasn't antagonizing him, but at this point, he's been spewing a LOT of stuff out there about the list. I want him to put his life where his mouth is, then I might theoretically listen to him. Except not, because I personally know he's bad, but you all would have a better case.

Lathum, if you want me on the list, I will be more than happy to oblige you. Just get the "real" seer to come out, and I will gladly sacrifice myself to roll up the two of you

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ok, if your the duke why wouldnt you want to go on the list and then duke it to tyrith and lynch him? That would be the perfect way to reach your goal

I can only get someone removed from the list, not added to it.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The mechanic of my role is I can only remove myself during the night phase. If I was to get myself put on the list today I would be eligable to be lynched tonight, which would happen, and I wouldn't be able to use my ability.

And you waited 12 hours to tell us this why, precisely?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

No, seriously. It wasn't antagonizing him, but at this point, he's been spewing a LOT of stuff out there about the list. I want him to put his life where his mouth is, then I might theoretically listen to him. Except not, because I personally know he's bad, but you all would have a better case.

Lathum, if you want me on the list, I will be more than happy to oblige you. Just get the "real" seer to come out, and I will gladly sacrifice myself to roll up the two of you

If I am on the list at any point during the day phase today I am dead.

you would like for the real seer to come out, wouldn't you.

[DaddyTorgo]

blade is very right lathum. if you are truly good, all you are doing is costing us time. the fact that you persist on this course only makes everyone more certain you are a wolf.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If I am on the list at any point during the day phase today I am dead.

you would like for the real seer to come out, wouldn't you.

Id love for the real seer to come out...then we could vote tyrith to the list, and kill him tomorrow. And then scan DT tonight with the BG block, and were down to 1-2 evil with still like 8 good guys...we would be set

[Blade6119]

But, until i hear someone else come out i have to listen to tyrith

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I have enough now to reveal myself to the world. For, see, at night I have been doing some investigations of some people that concern me.

It saddens me that cronin fell yesterday, because I knew he was still of the light, although circumstances dictated that even if I were here I probably would not have said so at the time. And we were fortunate, because his death allowed one of our real enemies to be known...Lathum is one of...one of THEM! HE'S A GAY!

N0: hoops, clean
N1: blade, I couldn't find him
N2: cronin, clean
N3: lathum, quite gay

Tyrith, please tell me more about your role...who are you?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

And you waited 12 hours to tell us this why, precisely?

well considering there were 6 votes cast on me while I was sleeping I didn't really see any way to turn things around.

I decided to keep it to myself and instead try and get as much info as possible while trying to get you on the list along with me.

The fact that you are so unwilling to put yourself out there tells me you are concerned to be on the list when really it shouldn't matter to you.

I hope once I remove myself from the list we can explore other options instead of continuing to waste time, but kudos to you, you probably bought them gays enough time to win.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

blade is very right lathum. if you are truly good, all you are doing is costing us time. the fact that you persist on this course only makes everyone more certain you are a wolf.

and you could very easily be bad. I would rather take a shot today then lose more time and allow more night kills.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If I am on the list at any point during the day phase today I am dead.

you would like for the real seer to come out, wouldn't you.

Yup. You want me dead, that's how you can get it. 1 for 1 trade, a bad guy for a seer? That's a winner for the good guys, no matter if I'm the bad guy (not so much) or if it's your accomplice.

[Chief Rum]

Lathum, I for one believe much of what you're saying here, but this vote for DT doesn't do us any good at all. Please remove this vote and allow yourself to go on the list by vote. You won't die today, but you also won't be the primary element that gets someone who turns out to be good killed either. Give another night phase for people to do their work and get some information out there.

I don't believe DT is gay, and killing him hurts us. Let yourself go on the list, and then if Tyrith is who he says he is, he will put himself on the lsit tomorrow. Then we'll have all three of you on there and can decide properly how to go about things.

[Tyrith]

I'm the head of the deacons. Currently I'm the de facto leader of the community because we don't have a pastor. Each night I can investigate one person, basic seer scan.

[ImTheCrew]

id just want you all to know i went to visit blade last night and he was gone

[Blade6119]

ok...lathum, who are you?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

id just want you all to know i went to visit blade last night and he was gone

Did you not listen when i said i was never going to be cleared? That was a nice waste of a scan ITC...are you saying your a seer?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Lathum, I for one believe much of what you're saying here, but this vote for DT doesn't do us any good at all. Please remove this vote and allow yourself to go on the list by vote. You won't die today, but you also won't be the primary element that gets someone who turns out to be good killed either. Give another night phase for people to do their work and get some information out there.

I don't believe DT is gay, and killing him hurts us. Let yourself go on the list, and then if Tyrith is who he says he is, he will put himself on the lsit tomorrow. Then we'll have all three of you on there and can decide properly how to go about things.

I can't do that.

The only concievable way Tyrith would make that play is if DT was gay.

I know I am good so I have to assume that is the case. I realize it is an all or none move but I suspect I am right, if I am not I'll accept full responsibility tomorrow.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

ok...lathum, who are you?

I am the duke.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am the duke.

No, who are you...your role

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

id just want you all to know i went to visit blade last night and he was gone

interesting

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I can't do that.

The only concievable way Tyrith would make that play is if DT was gay.

I know I am good so I have to assume that is the case. I realize it is an all or none move but I suspect I am right, if I am not I'll accept full responsibility tomorrow.

No you wont, as we will have to vote you to the list then as per you, you will remove yourself that night. Then we have to vote you again, then spend another day killing you. Basically, the rest of the game

[Lathum]

I'm Brother Tanner McFlannery the Head Usher at the church.

Without quoting my PM I am studying to be a man of the cloth. Since I am so in touch with my spirituality during the game ONCE I am allowed to forgive all those who wrongly accuse me, hence removing my name from the list. I can only do it at night.

Basicly if others put me on the list I can forgive them and be removed but if I put myself on there I can't remove myself.

Anxiety, I hope this isn't to close to directly quoting my PM.

[Tyrith]

If DT was gay, why would I hand you the game by linking myself with him? The exact play I was talking to Lathum about and he laughed at?

[Chief Rum]

Okay there are entirely too many people out at night.

Pa Crew, what are you talking about? Are you revealing you, too, have seer like abilities? Why did you visit Blade last night? And did you see anything besides that he is not home?

Blade, you have been out now at least two nights, maybe more. You have claimed you cannot be cleared. Am I to assume you mean whatever you say about your role will liekly be misconstrued as gay? So you don't reveal because it will just get you lynched? Can you give us more information about your role and what you do at night?

How many seers do we have in this game? Role information is actually not listed from what I saw, so we don't really know.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

No you wont, as we will have to vote you to the list then as per you, you will remove yourself that night. Then we have to vote you again, then spend another day killing you. Basically, the rest of the game

which is what the gays want.

where exactly were you last night if ITC couldn't find you?

[Blade6119]

Nowhere, same thing as night 1 with tyrith....i told you all repeatedly all game, im never going to be cleared.

[Chief Rum]

Tyrith, can you give us more information about what happened on your scans? What exactly happened, what did you do, how did you get the info, did you learn anything else? Without quoting the PMs of course.

My guess is you didn't just get a message from Anxiety that said: Lathum is gay; you can't find Blade; etc.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Nowhere, same thing as night 1 with tyrith....i told you all repeatedly all game, im never going to be cleared.

Blade, I knwo you like messing around with us, but this is weird. How does this confusion about your role help the village? You say you aren't out. You have been confirmed you are not home by more than one person. My bet is you aren't home any night at all. So what's the deal?

I don't want to take away from the Lathum-Tyrith-DT discussion, but my gut says your role is either critical or you are lying, and I don't want to lose the chance to clear things up a bit. Can you say why exactly you can't be cleared? Or explain that some more?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Blade, I knwo you like messing around with us, but this is weird. How does this confusion about your role help the village? You say you aren't out. You have been confirmed you are not home by more than one person. My bet is you aren't home any night at all. So what's the deal?

I don't want to take away from the Lathum-Tyrith-DT discussion, but my gut says your role is either critical or you are lying, and I don't want to lose the chance to clear things up a bit. Can you say why exactly you can't be cleared? Or explain that some more?

Id prefer not to for the time being...i do believe im home everynight, and for now id like to leave it at that.

[Tyrith]

Night 0: I feel that God commands me to trespass, so I sneak into hoops house. I find him talking in his sleep about how he finds Kathy Griffin attractive. Anxiety has quite a sense of humor :P

Night 1: I try to find blade, but he's avoiding me and I can't find him for the entire night.

Night 2: I find cronin praying in the woods, praying that the gays will be converted. A gay would never do this, so I know he's good.

Night 3: I start watching Lathum at dinner, and see him...touching himself as he watches two men share a Christian kiss on the cheek.

[Blade6119]

But i warned ITC in advance he wouldnt be able to clear me, and tyrith couldnt find me a night we have a non-kill. So ive been fairly upfront(compared with you and most others) about my where-abouts, more so then most.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Blade, I knwo you like messing around with us, but this is weird. How does this confusion about your role help the village? You say you aren't out. You have been confirmed you are not home by more than one person. My bet is you aren't home any night at all. So what's the deal?

I don't want to take away from the Lathum-Tyrith-DT discussion, but my gut says your role is either critical or you are lying, and I don't want to lose the chance to clear things up a bit. Can you say why exactly you can't be cleared? Or explain that some more?

Chief, this is pretty much what I've been thinking the entire time since I got my Night 1 PM.

[path12]

Blade, quick question based on something you said previously. Paternostal envoy?

[Blade6119]

Since i have no idea what that is, ill say no.

[Blade6119]

Ill say this, im the choir director here in town...what that grants me, i wont say. But it has its benefits and downsides.

[hoopsguy]

OK, trying to work through scenarios here on Lathum/Tyrith:

Scenario #1: Lathum is lying.
Day 4 - DaddyTorgo is stoned based on the vote from Lathum (likely good)
Night 4 - Lathum is put on the liberal list
Day 5 - Lathum is stoned (very likely bad)

Scenario #2: Lathum is telling the truth.
Day 4 - DaddyTorgo is stoned based on the vote from Lathum (about 50/50?)
Night 4 - Lathum is put on the liberal list
Day 5 - Lathum is not on the liberal list, we have no opportunity to stone anyone unless someone shows up on our list due to profanity or night actions

Does anyone have a legitimate reason to trust Lathum's story? Because if he is telling the truth we are going to find ourselves in a tough spot tomorrow.

[Blade6119]

Quick question...why do you assume lathum will go on the list over the night(in both scenarios)

[hoopsguy]

Blade, you are right - it doesn't happen since he is stoning Tyrith!

[Blade6119]

Well, DT..but yes...so then we vote him day 5, and we dont get our first crack at him until day 6 if hes lying...day 7 if telling the truth.

[hoopsguy]

Updated scenarios:

Scenario #1: Lathum is lying.
Day 4 - DaddyTorgo is stoned based on the vote from Lathum (likely good), no one on list
Night 4 -
Day 5 - Lathum is put on the liberal list
Night 5 - Lathum awaits his death
Day 6 - Lathum is stoned (very likely bad)

So we only get him on Day 6, and this assumes that no one else finds their way onto the liberal list between now and then as he would just choose to stone them.


Scenario #2: Lathum is telling the truth.
Day 4 - DaddyTorgo is stoned based on the vote from Lathum (about 50/50?)
Night 4 -
Day 5 - Lathum is put on the liberal list
Night 5 - Lathum removes himself from the liberal list
Day 6 - Lathum is not on the liberal list, we have no opportunity to stone anyone unless someone shows up on our list due to profanity or night actions. We put Tyrith on liberal list
Night 6
Day 7 - we stone Tyrith

One day swing. Again, we are counting on no one else appearing on the liberal list in between for reasons of profanity or night-related activity.

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE LIBERAL LIST LATHUM

VOTE TYRITH LIBERAL LIST