Jerry Sandusky thread

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

In a normal situation, sure. But I'm just not convinced that that's how it works in a major college football program when something like this happens. As I said earlier, I tend to think this sort of head-in-the-sand and cover-up behavior could happen (and probably has) at the majority of the big-time college football programs in the country. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that he never said a word about it to Sandusky. I'd also be unsurprised if he went to Sandusky and Sanduksy said "No way, Joe. I would never do something like that!" And then Paterno used a categorical denial to convince himself that he didn't need to do anything further.

Any number of scenarios could be true here, but the primary agenda was to protect themselves and the Penn State image. I probably sounded a little harsh and/or cynical when I said that yesterday, but the interview linked above is saying pretty much exactly the same thing.

Plausible deniability.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Front Page of the Harrisburg Patriot-News

[Ksyrup]

He added: “The appropriate people were contacted by Joe. That was the chain of command. It was a retired employee and it falls under the university’s auspices, not the football auspices.”

Really? It was a choice between the university chain of command, or the football chain of command? That's it? So if someone finds the dead body of a retired employee in the shower next time, they're just supposed to call the AD, head off to practice, and not give it a second thought?

[Grego]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...ing-penn-state

Not sure if this was posted earlier, but a different perspective on this mess.

[jbergey22]

Yup, this is a bunch of BS.

Reports of this were from 98, Sandusky was asked to resign Im sure in 99 after these reports surfaced. Joe Pa knew the entire time what this POS was doing.

Victim#1 sounded like a multiple time victim. Sad.

If there was a police investigation in 98 you would think Jo Pa would have been questioned which should be in the police records, correct? Unless the investigator didnt do his/her job which it appears was the case since this scum was set free to harm more innocent children.

[Logan]

Do Scott and Jay Paterno have kids? Wonder if JoePa would have been comfortable having his grandkids around Sandusky.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Yup, this is a bunch of BS.

Reports of this were from 98, Sandusky was asked to resign Im sure in 99 after these reports surfaced. Joe Pa knew the entire time what this POS was doing.

Victim#1 sounded like a multiple time victim. Sad.

If there was a police investigation in 98 you would think Jo Pa would have been questioned which should be in the police records, correct? Unless the investigator didnt do his/her job which it appears was the case since this scum was set free to harm more innocent children.

Even if Joe wasn't questioned I can't believe he didn't see a report written about hid DC and hand picked successor. That's what makes the 2002 story so bad, IMO. A one time allegation is one thing, but a second incident with an eyewitness demands action greater than telling your boss and forgetting about it. He may be legally clear, but he sure as hell is morally culpable.

[jbergey22]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Even if Joe wasn't questioned I can't believe he didn't see a report written about hid DC and hand picked successor. That's what makes the 2002 story so bad, IMO. A one time allegation is one thing, but a second incident with an eyewitness demands action greater than telling your boss and forgetting about it. He may be legally clear, but he sure as hell is morally culpable.

Correct. He knew and chose to look the other way like a coward.

[Ben E Lou]

Penn State cancels Joe Paterno's scheduled news conference

[yacovfb]

Penn State Said to Be Planning Paternos Exit - NYTimes.com

[Crapshoot]

Good. JoePa and that whole program needs to get shaken up. the AD should go to jail for not reporting it.

[Rizon]

what more done

jopa
cain
philly eagles
trout baked at 550 degrees for 2 hours

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Rizon

what more done

jopa
cain
philly eagles
trout baked at 550 degrees for 2 hours

I think you've got it in the right order.

[Logan]

Just listening to Kim Jones on WFAN right now...she states that yesterday when Paterno addressed the team, he said he "knew nothing about Sandusky".

[Matthean]

My guess is the more PSU looks into this the more screwed they see they are. I'll never understand how Mike McQueary, according to reports, witnessed the raping of a young child, had Sandusky and the child see him, and yet when it came time to decide if Sandusky should still have ties to PSU with having kids there with an overnight camp on the campus the idea wasn't shot down by him raising issues with the idea. I'll never understand Sandusky's side of things were he knows he's caught doing the act and somehow thinks it's ok to keep ties with PSU and do the whole camp thing while on PSU's campus. If I got caught like he did, I would make sure I never saw McQueary or the PSU campus ever again and moved far away asap. Interactions between McQueary and Sandusky had to be awkward as hell after that.

[Bisbo]

Let Cain grope JoePa for about an hour - should cure both of them.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Penn State cancels Joe Paterno's scheduled news conference

I guess they figured out that telling reporters they could only ask about football wouldn't work.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Paterno is trying to set up an off-campus press conference.

http://twitter.com/#!/Ben_Jones88

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Logan

Just listening to Kim Jones on WFAN right now...she states that yesterday when Paterno addressed the team, he said he "knew nothing about Sandusky".

Yeah, but why didn't he know anything about it when it was his own DC?

[bhlloy]

This sounds like its about to get very ugly between JoePa and PSU

Not that that's the most important thing here in any way

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Matthean

My guess is the more PSU looks into this the more screwed they see they are. I'll never understand how Mike McQueary, according to reports, witnessed the raping of a young child, had Sandusky and the child see him, and yet when it came time to decide if Sandusky should still have ties to PSU with having kids there with an overnight camp on the campus the idea wasn't shot down by him raising issues with the idea. I'll never understand Sandusky's side of things were he knows he's caught doing the act and somehow thinks it's ok to keep ties with PSU and do the whole camp thing while on PSU's campus. If I got caught like he did, I would make sure I never saw McQueary or the PSU campus ever again and moved far away asap. Interactions between McQueary and Sandusky had to be awkward as hell after that.

McQueary is PSU's recruiting coordinator, too, right? He has to leave. How does the recruiting coordinator not have his position completely compromised by such a total lack of looking out for a young person's best interests?

About the only thing that could save Paterno at this point is if a dozen or more people fell on their sword for him, saying that they hid stuff from him about Sandusky and that this one 2002 incident is the only one he knew of in a vaccuum and he'd been told by his superiors that it was resolved with lawyers. And even that's still not a great resolution. But anything else, and unfortunately (for us, if not him), his entire legacy and image are completely shattered.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Paterno is trying to set up an off-campus press conference.

http://twitter.com/#!/Ben_Jones88

SAme dude...

Ben_Jones88 Ben Jones



Scott Paterno says his father is "not stepping down" and will be on the sidelines this weekend. They'll fight this one to the end.

Wow.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Matthean

My guess is the more PSU looks into this the more screwed they see they are. I'll never understand how Mike McQueary, according to reports, witnessed the raping of a young child, had Sandusky and the child see him, and yet when it came time to decide if Sandusky should still have ties to PSU with having kids there with an overnight camp on the campus the idea wasn't shot down by him raising issues with the idea. I'll never understand Sandusky's side of things were he knows he's caught doing the act and somehow thinks it's ok to keep ties with PSU and do the whole camp thing while on PSU's campus. If I got caught like he did, I would make sure I never saw McQueary or the PSU campus ever again and moved far away asap. Interactions between McQueary and Sandusky had to be awkward as hell after that.

Makes me wonder if anyone else was involved in this besides the cover up. Was anyone else present when Sandusky was doing this disgusting act to children? I just don't see how a handful of people can keep this a secret and all be on the same page as far as covering it up without someone, anyone, going to authorities.

The more I read about this disgusting situation, the more I suspect that other people were involved in this in ways that we don't want to know about.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

McQueary is PSU's recruiting coordinator, too, right?

Yep and I agree that he's gone. I at least can see the cover up/protecting angle, but to witness that and have the things that followed happened is inexcusable.

[RomaGoth]

I have a little more respect for Matt Millen after this, at least as a person (not so much on the football side of things):

Matt Millen Breaks Down And Cries On SportsCenter: "If We Can't Protect Our Kids, We, As A Society, Are Pathetic"

[Ben E Lou]

Ben_Jones88 Ben Jones



People are burning their Penn State diplomas outside of Old Main. This is getting a little out of hand.

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[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

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Just saw this. Is he for real? Happy Valley ain't looking so happy.....

[Logan]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Makes me wonder if anyone else was involved in this besides the cover up. Was anyone else present when Sandusky was doing this disgusting act to children? I just don't see how a handful of people can keep this a secret and all be on the same page as far as covering it up without someone, anyone, going to authorities.

The more I read about this disgusting situation, the more I suspect that other people were involved in this in ways that we don't want to know about.

Feel the same way. Posted the following on another board this morning: Paterno only "covering this up" could be the best case scenario as far as we know. Who knows what else is out there.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Paterno is trying to set up an off-campus press conference.

Twitter

Oh wow. Not to make too much fun of this stuation, but the first thing that came to mind, given Paterno's age, crankiness, and general Grandpa Simpson demeanor, is him going off about 30 minutes into his press conference in a "YOU'RE GODDAM RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!!!' tangent.

[britrock88]

Let me know when we can articulate exactly why JoePa's head (in contrast to those of his superiors) needs to roll.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

I have a little more respect for Matt Millen after this, at least as a person (not so much on the football side of things):

Matt Millen Breaks Down And Cries On SportsCenter: "If We Can't Protect Our Kids, We, As A Society, Are Pathetic"

Poor choice of words, Matt.

there are so many more good things to come out of that program and out of that man. this is what will end up biting him in the rear end.

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Oh wow. Not to make too much fun of this stuation, but the first thing that came to mind, given Paterno's age, crankiness, and general Grandpa Simpson demeanor, is him going off about 30 minutes into his press conference in a "YOU'RE GODDAM RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!!!' tangent.

Off-campus press conference has been shut down.

[Ksyrup]

It is in Pennsylvania - so I assume Derek Bell has finally been gainfully employed again.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Let me know when we can articulate exactly why JoePa's head (in contrast to those of his superiors) needs to roll.

JoePa doesn't have superiors, you clown.

edit: In case that's not what you wanted to hear...we can ignore the ethical/moral side of how he should have done more than go up the supposed chain of command. But how about by not allowing Sandusky an office in his facilities, not allowing him full use of his facilities, not allowing him to be at closed practices, not allowing him to bring young boys to closed practices, not allowing him to hold overnight football camps?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Let me know when we can articulate exactly why JoePa's head (in contrast to those of his superiors) needs to roll.

Penn State must fire Joe Paterno amid Jerry Sandusky sex scandal - Andy Staples - SI.com

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Just saw this. Is he for real? Happy Valley ain't looking so happy.....

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by britrock88

Let me know when we can articulate exactly why JoePa's head (along with those of his superiors) shouldn't roll.

fixed that for ya

[molson]

Just wait until the civil lawsuits from the victims start.....this is going to define Penn St. for a very long time. It's kind of hard to believe that Paterno is even still there right now.

I'm not sure the NYTimes counts as a reputable news source anymore, at least when it comes to sports (I lost respect for them when they jumped into the whole conference movement wild speculation arena), but they're reporting that "Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno Exit Amid Scandal". (Edit, sorry, I see that was posted earlier)

[molson]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Paterno is trying to set up an off-campus press conference.

http://twitter.com/#!/Ben_Jones88

I love that, they're going to "try". I mean, really, I don't think it's that difficult to hold a press conference. I'm sure people will show up for it. I'm sure you can secure a venue with microphones.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by molson

I love that, they're going to "try". I mean, really, I don't think it's that difficult to hold a press conference. I'm sure people will show up for it. I'm sure you can secure a venue with microphones.

The issue here is that Paterno wants a press conference that only talks about the upcoming game. Good luck with that.

[britrock88]

My impression is something like this.

In 2002, Sandusky is off the coaching staff. A grad assistant notices him doing something funny with a kid in the locker room, and decides to tell JoePa. I imagine that the GA doesn't articulate this to JoePa with a whole lot of specificity. JoePa nonetheless takes the GA's account seriously, and tells his superiors something to the effect that Sandusky was doing something weird with a kid in the showers. At this point, he's fulfilled his legal obligation, and he may not know enough to feel comfortable alerting the authorities directly. So he trusts the administration to act properly.

Certainly this sequence doesn't show JoePa's reaction to be a good example. But at least in a sense, he did nothing wrong. Perhaps he should have picked up on the trail and contacted police after noticing that nothing came of him telling the athletic administration about the incident. Sandusky wasn't a member of JoePa's staff; JoePa responded appropriately to the single report he received from the GA (at least in the legal sense). So why does this fall on his head?

(Please feel free to correct my understanding of the facts. I'm not making this point about JoePa just to be stubborn; I just haven't seen a failing on his part that requires him to be separated from PSU, (and apparently he hasn't, either).)

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Originally Posted by RomaGoth

The issue here is that Paterno wants a press conference that only talks about the upcoming game. Good luck with that.

Hard to say with all the noise, but my understanding is that Paterno wants to "explain" and the school was the one who only wanted football questions. Could be wrong, though.

[Ksyrup]

First question: "I'm sorry coach, I've been distracted by the allegations against former coach Jerry Sandusky and the fact that you might be involved in a cover-up of a serial child molester who used school grounds to lure and commit these alleged atrocities. Who is your opponent this weekend?"

[Matthean]

He pretty much could have held a press conference standing where he was at. Looks like they are attempting another conference tomorrow.

[RomaGoth]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Dobbs2

Hard to say with all the noise, but my understanding is that Paterno wants to "explain" and the school was the one who only wanted football questions. Could be wrong, though.

That could be true, I may have it backwards. In either case, though, there is no way in hell a press conference happens that even remotely discusses football at this point.

[molson]

It would be kind of funny if one obnoxious reporter just kept yelling football questions at him. "JOE, JOE - what do you think of the Nebraska pass defense, JOE!!"

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by britrock88

(Please feel free to correct my understanding of the facts. I'm not making this point about JoePa just to be stubborn; I just haven't seen a failing on his part that requires him to be separated from PSU, (and apparently he hasn't, either).)

Legally he might be fine. It's the moral issue that everybody is taking an issue with.

[Izulde]

Originally Posted by britrock88

My impression is something like this.

In 2002, Sandusky is off the coaching staff. A grad assistant notices him doing something funny with a kid in the locker room, and decides to tell JoePa. I imagine that the GA doesn't articulate this to JoePa with a whole lot of specificity. JoePa nonetheless takes the GA's account seriously, and tells his superiors something to the effect that Sandusky was doing something weird with a kid in the showers. At this point, he's fulfilled his legal obligation, and he may not know enough to feel comfortable alerting the authorities directly. So he trusts the administration to act properly.

Certainly this sequence doesn't show JoePa's reaction to be a good example. But at least in a sense, he did nothing wrong. Perhaps he should have picked up on the trail and contacted police after noticing that nothing came of him telling the athletic administration about the incident. Sandusky wasn't a member of JoePa's staff; JoePa responded appropriately to the single report he received from the GA (at least in the legal sense). So why does this fall on his head?

(Please feel free to correct my understanding of the facts. I'm not making this point about JoePa just to be stubborn; I just haven't seen a failing on his part that requires him to be separated from PSU, (and apparently he hasn't, either).)

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter as well.