2013 NFL Offseason/Coaches Fired/Draft discussions- - Page 6

stevew · 01-04-2013, 03:41 PM

Matt Flynn and Alex Smith being traded for the 33 and 34 pick respectively seems like deals that benefit the Jags/Chiefs and possibly could happen. The strength of the draft looks to be defense.

Chief Rum · 01-04-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

yeah, i watched a few wvu games and i wasn't too impressed. that said he is the most gifted qb available this year and developing qb's is reid's forte.

plus for pioli it makes a ton of sense because drafting a qb buys you a couple years as he 'develops'

Pioli was fired this morning.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 01-04-2013, 03:46 PM

or they could trade for mallet. don't know how well that would go over in kc though

Mizzou B-ball fan · 01-04-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

yeah, i watched a few wvu games and i wasn't too impressed. that said he is the most gifted qb available this year and developing qb's is reid's forte.

plus for pioli it makes a ton of sense because drafting a qb buys you a couple years as he 'develops'

You do realize that Pioli is no longer with the Chiefs, right?

kingfc22 · 01-04-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

I think Smith will end up fetching a decent pick for the Niners. He's not a great starter, but he's a guy you could plug in short term and feel comfortable. And if you think of it as $8 million for "Starting QB" and not $8 million for "Alex Smith", it's not unreasonable. I mean, Matt Hasselbeck has a $7.5MM cap number for 2013 if I'm looking at his contract right.

When you compare him against other FAs, he's a great option. And if you want him as a FA, you will be competing with around 10 teams who are looking for a QB, so on the open market, you may be laying out more than $8 million anyway. I'd view it as being better to acquire him with a mid round pick, pay him the money, and allow him the opportunity to play his way to a long term deal.

From my understanding, the Niners would be the ones paying him the $8M dollar roster bonus and any subsequent trade would have the team acquiring him only on the hook for the salary. I don't see why the Niners would pay $8M for a draft pick.

Now if a team wants to trade for him prior to this deadline to beat the bidding war you mentioned above, then yes I can see that happening.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 01-04-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Pioli was fired this morning.

my bad. sub 'new gm' for pioli

#outoftheloop

britrock88 · 01-04-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

What's the difference between career-long and year-by-year?

Hard to be terribly precise, but the best thing I can think of is that the career-based comparison acts as if Roethlisberger is done playing (and perhaps judging by totals). The year-by-year comparisons, OTOH, chart a player's trajectory more thoroughly -- this is who Roethlisberger resembles after 1 season as a pro, 2 seasons, so on. Kelly (a HOFer himself) is #1 all the way, but two other HOFers (Warren Moon and one of Montana/Young -- sorry, not looking at the page) have crept their way up to Ben's top 4 comparable QBs after this much of his career.

DaddyTorgo · 01-04-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

Hard to be terribly precise, but the best thing I can think of is that the career-based comparison acts as if Roethlisberger is done playing (and perhaps judging by totals). The year-by-year comparisons, OTOH, chart a player's trajectory more thoroughly -- this is who Roethlisberger resembles after 1 season as a pro, 2 seasons, so on. Kelly (a HOFer himself) is #1 all the way, but two other HOFers (Warren Moon and one of Montana/Young -- sorry, not looking at the page) have crept their way up to Ben's top 4 comparable QBs after this much of his career.

doesn't year-by-year just show who they resembled in that one year and not cumulatively?

tucker rocky · 01-04-2013, 05:35 PM

Now that KC has hired Andy Reid as their new HC, all the KC BBQ joints will need to stock up.

tucker rocky · 01-04-2013, 05:38 PM

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eveland-browns

BillJasper · 01-04-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Now that KC has hired Andy Reid as their new HC, all the KC BBQ joints will need to stock up.

I'm sure pork futures are heading higher on the news...

Suicane75 · 01-04-2013, 05:53 PM

Pork has no future with Andy around. Mutton better head for higher ground too.

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 07:35 AM

Logan · 01-05-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kingfc22

From my understanding, the Niners would be the ones paying him the $8M dollar roster bonus and any subsequent trade would have the team acquiring him only on the hook for the salary. I don't see why the Niners would pay $8M for a draft pick.

Now if a team wants to trade for him prior to this deadline to beat the bidding war you mentioned above, then yes I can see that happening.

According to his contract details on rotoworld, it's not an $8 million roster bonus: he's due a $7.5 million salary in 2013 plus a $1 million roster bonus paid in March. And if that bonus is paid, the 2013 salary then becomes guaranteed. So I'm not sure why that entire salary would remain with the team.

stevew · 01-05-2013, 03:50 PM

Another guy that could be worth something is TJ Yates. He's made 5 starts with OK numbers. I'd imagine the Texans will try to cash him in now that Schaub is signed long term.

Logan · 01-05-2013, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Another guy that could be worth something is TJ Yates. He's made 5 starts with OK numbers. I'd imagine the Texans will try to cash him in now that Schaub is signed long term.

Judging by tonight so far, they might want to hold onto him a little longer.

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Judging by tonight so far, they might want to hold onto him a little longer.

This was my thinking as well.

CleBrownsfan · 01-05-2013, 05:56 PM

It's looking like Chip's going to be the next coach of the Browns. What do you guys think they'll get for trading Weeden? What's the highest draft pick you think someone will give them for this stiff??

Btw- I can't stand the Kelly hire.

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CleBrownsfan

It's looking like Chip's going to be the next coach of the Browns. What do you guys think they'll get for trading Weeden? What's the highest draft pick you think someone will give them for this stiff??

Btw- I can't stand the Kelly hire.

Something like a 4th maybe. He's 29 years old and had more INTs than TDs. I think the hire is interesting, but I'm not sure it works.

Abe Sargent · 01-05-2013, 06:31 PM

I thinkthe Borwns is the best place for Kelly

corbes · 01-05-2013, 06:55 PM

Does Kelly have any NFL experience?

CleBrownsfan · 01-05-2013, 06:57 PM

Eaglesfan27 · 01-05-2013, 07:00 PM

I love seeing Kelly go to the Browns. I can't stand him and I was afraid my Eagles would hire him.

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 07:21 PM

Kelly gives me a Spurrier vibe so I'm curious if he pans out or not.

BillJasper · 01-05-2013, 08:49 PM

I think Chip Kelly will be in way over his head. He's not going to be able to outspend the other teams with better facilities and equipment using Nike money.

The Browns would've been better off waiting til Tuesday and feeling out Brian Kelly, in my opinion.

Danny · 01-05-2013, 08:51 PM

Brian Kelley already said he's not leaving

Danny · 01-05-2013, 08:52 PM

I'm glad chip got s job. As an Nfl fan I am interested to see what he does with an nfl offense. Will be interesting at least

rowech · 01-05-2013, 08:53 PM

Here's to hoping the Bengals fire Marvin and promote Zimmer. A person can dream.

BillJasper · 01-05-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Brian Kelley already said he's not leaving

Hadn't heard that but lots of coaches say they aren't leaving then change their minds.

rowech · 01-05-2013, 09:01 PM

I can't believe the number of people on the Bengals message board ready to dump Dalton and Gresham. I agree that Dalton was a little inaccurate this year, mostly with overthrows, but I still feel like he's a good (not great) QB at this point. Maybe I'm an idiot. Feel the same about Gresham. He's good but just hasn't turned the corner into great but both of these guys are 25 I think.

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Hadn't heard that but lots of coaches say they aren't leaving then change their minds.

That's his dream job though.

Abe Sargent · 01-05-2013, 09:13 PM

Its hard ot leave Notre Dame after having an undefeated yera with them

BillJasper · 01-05-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I'm glad chip got s job. As an Nfl fan I am interested to see what he does with an nfl offense. Will be interesting at least

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Originally Posted by Matthean

That's his dream job though.

I know. I lived here when he bailed on Cincinnati.

Just watched too many of these guys profess they aren't going anywhere then all of a sudden they up and go.

But if I had to chose a Kelly that I think would be successful at the pro level, it would be Brian.

henry296 · 01-05-2013, 09:19 PM

Can someone explain why Doug Marrone is such a hot candidate?

Matthean · 01-05-2013, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

Its hard ot leave Notre Dame after having an undefeated yera with them

He's just getting started, and he knows it.

Jon · 01-05-2013, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by henry296

Can someone explain why Doug Marrone is such a hot candidate?

He was a former Saints offensive coordinator and is given credit for turning around the Syracuse program.

He's been viewed as "future NFL head coach" even before he went to Syracuse.

henry296 · 01-05-2013, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

He was a former Saints offensive coordinator and is given credit for turning around the Syracuse program.

He's been viewed as "future NFL head coach" even before he went to Syracuse.

Thanks. Didn't realize the Saints connection.

corbes · 01-06-2013, 06:27 AM

Doug Marrone to Buffalo, per ESPN.

And Eagles and Browns in "apparent dead heat" for Chip Kelly. I wish the Eagles would lose this race. I'm just not so sure that NFL players will respect a guy without any NFL experience telling them what to do. Totally anecdotally, my perception is that the "college guys" who succeed in the NFL actually have some NFL experience in their background: Harbaugh, Carroll, etc.

Suburban Rhythm · 01-06-2013, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rowech

I can't believe the number of people on the Bengals message board ready to dump Dalton and Gresham. I agree that Dalton was a little inaccurate this year, mostly with overthrows, but I still feel like he's a good (not great) QB at this point. Maybe I'm an idiot. Feel the same about Gresham. He's good but just hasn't turned the corner into great but both of these guys are 25 I think.

You just described Pittsburgh...after a regular season loss. Actually, every regular season loss. Wild swings of emotion. Either fire everyone, or keep them all, because they're the best ever.

Danny · 01-06-2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

You just described SteveW...after a regular season loss. Actually, every regular season loss. Wild swings of emotion. Either fire everyone, or keep them all, because they're the best ever.

Fixed

Suicane75 · 01-06-2013, 08:37 AM

As an Eagles fan who cares a little bit less about football than he did thanks the past two passionless seasons, I wouldn't mind Chip Kelly. I don't think he'll be very good in the NFL or that his system will work in the NFL but I'm in the mood for some excitement.

Abe Sargent · 01-06-2013, 09:13 AM

Doesn't have to even move very far really

Doug Marrone new Buffalo Bills coach, leaves Syracuse Orange, sources say - ESPN

Butter · 01-06-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Here's to hoping the Bengals fire Marvin and promote Zimmer. A person can dream.

Was just coming on to say the same. They can let Gruden go also, that was a ridiculously ineffective gameplan. They clearly could run the ball but barely tried.

claphamsa · 01-06-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Was just coming on to say the same. They can let Gruden go also, that was a ridiculously ineffective gameplan. They clearly could run the ball but barely tried.

was just looking over the contracts... seems andre smith is a UFA, I guess hes worth something... but no where near what we paid him.

mckerney · 01-06-2013, 12:21 PM

Phil Knight pushing to keep Chip Kelly from NFL jump - NFL.com

So the Browns and Eagles are going to have to outbid Nike now. Chip Kelly gonna get paaaaid.

CleBrownsfan · 01-06-2013, 01:06 PM

Sources: No Chip Kelly for Browns

The Cleveland Browns have decided to reboot their coach search after leaving Arizona late Sunday morning without landing Oregon's Chip Kelly, according to league sources.

Matthean · 01-06-2013, 01:18 PM

The Browns are far better off without him. They really don't have the talent base to play his style anyway.

JPhillips · 01-06-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

was just looking over the contracts... seems andre smith is a UFA, I guess hes worth something... but no where near what we paid him.

Smith has been one of the best RTs in the game. Letting him go would prove the Bengals aren't willing to spend to win. The top free agent resignings are Smith, Johnson and Jones. The rest aren't important, but losing any of those three would mean the Bengals have to draft to replace rather than to improve.

claphamsa · 01-06-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Smith has been one of the best RTs in the game. Letting him go would prove the Bengals aren't willing to spend to win. The top free agent resignings are Smith, Johnson and Jones. The rest aren't important, but losing any of those three would mean the Bengals have to draft to replace rather than to improve.

huh... interesting. hes always looked bad when ive seen him, but they are only on tv every could months....

do you mean pacman jones? I think Hawkins looked good... as long as no one wants to pay him, and Malaluga is worth keeping if afordable.

GrantDawg · 01-06-2013, 06:50 PM

Just for the draft info: Aaron Murray just tweeted he is coming back to the Bulldogs next year.

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tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Chip Kelly very close to deal with Cleveland Browns http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...eveland-browns

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01-05-2013, 05:56 PM	#268
CleBrownsfan Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C-Town	It's looking like Chip's going to be the next coach of the Browns. What do you guys think they'll get for trading Weeden? What's the highest draft pick you think someone will give them for this stiff?? Btw- I can't stand the Kelly hire. __________________ *XBox Gamertag:* Pronk32 FOOL-X - Cleveland Naps FOOL - Cleveland Cyclones SLOP - Cuyahoga Spiders

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Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I thinkthe Borwns is the best place for Kelly __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

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01-04-2013, 03:41 PM	#251
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Matt Flynn and Alex Smith being traded for the 33 and 34 pick respectively seems like deals that benefit the Jags/Chiefs and possibly could happen. The strength of the draft looks to be defense.

01-04-2013, 03:46 PM	#253
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	or they could trade for mallet. don't know how well that would go over in kc though

01-04-2013, 05:35 PM	#259
tucker rocky Pro Rookie Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Of no particular interest	Now that KC has hired Andy Reid as their new HC, all the KC BBQ joints will need to stock up.

01-04-2013, 05:53 PM	#262
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Pork has no future with Andy around. Mutton better head for higher ground too.

01-05-2013, 03:50 PM	#265
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Another guy that could be worth something is TJ Yates. He's made 5 starts with OK numbers. I'd imagine the Texans will try to cash him in now that Schaub is signed long term.

01-05-2013, 06:55 PM	#271
corbes College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Does Kelly have any NFL experience?

01-05-2013, 07:00 PM	#273
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Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Kelly gives me a Spurrier vibe so I'm curious if he pans out or not. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

01-05-2013, 08:49 PM	#275
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I think Chip Kelly will be in way over his head. He's not going to be able to outspend the other teams with better facilities and equipment using Nike money. The Browns would've been better off waiting til Tuesday and feeling out Brian Kelly, in my opinion. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

01-05-2013, 08:51 PM	#276
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Brian Kelley already said he's not leaving

01-05-2013, 08:52 PM	#277
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I'm glad chip got s job. As an Nfl fan I am interested to see what he does with an nfl offense. Will be interesting at least

01-05-2013, 08:53 PM	#278
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Here's to hoping the Bengals fire Marvin and promote Zimmer. A person can dream. Last edited by rowech : 01-05-2013 at 08:53 PM.

01-05-2013, 09:01 PM	#280
rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	I can't believe the number of people on the Bengals message board ready to dump Dalton and Gresham. I agree that Dalton was a little inaccurate this year, mostly with overthrows, but I still feel like he's a good (not great) QB at this point. Maybe I'm an idiot. Feel the same about Gresham. He's good but just hasn't turned the corner into great but both of these guys are 25 I think.

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01-06-2013, 06:27 AM	#288
corbes College Benchwarmer Join Date: Nov 2003	Doug Marrone to Buffalo, per ESPN. And Eagles and Browns in "apparent dead heat" for Chip Kelly. I wish the Eagles would lose this race. I'm just not so sure that NFL players will respect a guy without any NFL experience telling them what to do. Totally anecdotally, my perception is that the "college guys" who succeed in the NFL actually have some NFL experience in their background: Harbaugh, Carroll, etc. Last edited by corbes : 01-06-2013 at 06:28 AM.

01-06-2013, 08:37 AM	#291
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	As an Eagles fan who cares a little bit less about football than he did thanks the past two passionless seasons, I wouldn't mind Chip Kelly. I don't think he'll be very good in the NFL or that his system will work in the NFL but I'm in the mood for some excitement.

01-06-2013, 09:13 AM	#292
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01-06-2013, 12:21 PM	#295
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Phil Knight pushing to keep Chip Kelly from NFL jump - NFL.com So the Browns and Eagles are going to have to outbid Nike now. Chip Kelly gonna get paaaaid.

01-06-2013, 01:06 PM	#296
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