Console Discussion/E3/Tokyo Game Show Thread - Page 2

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 03:56 PM

Nice try Battlefied 4, but don't think we didn't notice you didn't have any dogs.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 03:57 PM

Mirror's Edge 2!

SirFozzie · 06-10-2013, 04:16 PM

EA@E3

In Short: SEQUELS? SEQUELS!!! Wait, SEQUEL?!?!?!?!, Yes SEQUEL!!!!

8 bit mind in a 64 Bit World: The EA Press Conference at E3

IlliniCub · 06-10-2013, 04:27 PM

A military fps without a dog is as useless as a football game without a beer tent

Ryan S · 06-10-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SackAttack

Launching at $499, Microsoft has got a double shackle going on with Xbox One. First, they're going to get a cool reception at retail just on the price. Second, they're going to get absolutely shat on in Japan. Again. Are they even launching in Japan? I saw US, UK and EU prices, but nothing for Japan.

The UK price is going to harm them. £430 is higher than the hugely overpriced PS3 at launch, and not far short of $700.

If Sony offers the PS4 at the same price on both sides of the Atlantic they will have a huge price advantage, even if they decide to charge $500.

SackAttack · 06-10-2013, 04:45 PM

The UK price won't /help/ them, for sure, but the UK is a smaller market than Europe at-large, where the price is closer to parity with the US.

I mean, the price in general is just a disaster waiting to happen if Sony have any ambition at all here, but the price in the UK won't matter hugely relative to the overall pricing scheme.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 05:13 PM

Sooo, anyone manage to follow the Splinter Cell trailer?

Mota · 06-10-2013, 05:15 PM

Yeah, $499 is ridiculous. I have a Xbox 360 where I own my games. I can "upgrade" to the Xbox One and license my games and lose control of what I can do with them. I don't see any touch points so far that make me want to buy it.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 05:17 PM

Rayman Legends look great.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mota

Yeah, $499 is ridiculous. I have a Xbox 360 where I own my games. I can "upgrade" to the Xbox One and license my games and lose control of what I can do with them. I don't see any touch points so far that make me want to buy it.

But if you don't pre-order you're going to miss out on achievements.

E3 2013: Xbox One Premium "Day One" Edition Revealed - IGN

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 05:33 PM

The Crew looks kind of interesting, but someone needs to tell Ubi where Chicago is.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-10-2013, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

That's code for "no used games but the blame isn't on us anymore despite the fact that we're facilitating the option for our publishers".

Let's not defend stupid, no matter who ends up taking the shaft on it.

No. Used games will happen, despite whatever spin you want to put on it. I'm sure some publishers will charge some sort of fee which sucks, but I bet some will go free. Microsoft will not charge any fee. Furthermore, Pachter (one of your favorites) believes that no publisher will disable or charge any significant fees:

Pachter: Publishers won't block Xbox One used games - GameSpot.com

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 05:51 PM

Ubi decides not to rename Watch_Dogs to PRISM.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

No. Used games will happen, despite whatever spin you want to put on it. I'm sure some publishers will charge some sort of fee which sucks, but I bet some will go free. Microsoft will not charge any fee. Furthermore, Pachter (one of your favorites) believes that no publisher will disable or charge any significant fees:

Pachter: Publishers won't block Xbox One used games - GameSpot.com

Tonight will decide whether it matters. If:

1. Sony produces a sub-$400 price point

and/or

2. Sony goes out of its way to say used games will proceed much the same as they did in the previous generation

......then MS has big problems on its hands. If Sony comes out with a $499 price point and says nothing about used games, then you know it's not nearly the big deal that it could have been. It's really that simple.

Ryan S · 06-10-2013, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SackAttack

The UK price won't /help/ them, for sure, but the UK is a smaller market than Europe at-large, where the price is closer to parity with the US.

I mean, the price in general is just a disaster waiting to happen if Sony have any ambition at all here, but the price in the UK won't matter hugely relative to the overall pricing scheme.

The £430 UK price is $670 and the €499 Euro price is $661, so you are screwed no matter where you live in Europe.

I know that taxes may be different, but that pricing is just crazy.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 06:16 PM

The Division, very impressive.

SackAttack · 06-10-2013, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan S

The £430 UK price is $670 and the €499 Euro price is $661, so you are screwed no matter where you live in Europe.

I know that taxes may be different, but that pricing is just crazy.

Didn't realize the Euro was that much stronger than the dollar. I thought the Dollar had been above the Euro more recently.

Matthean · 06-10-2013, 06:26 PM

I don't think used games will be that much of an issue when it is all said and done. Publishers aren't going to be willing to cut their own nuts off.

INDalltheway · 06-10-2013, 06:31 PM

Some stuff on pricing from reddit.

The Xbox 360 launched at $299.99/$399.99 and €299.99/€399.99.

The PS3 60gb was $599.99/€599.99.

The Wii was $249.99/€249.99

This is neither new nor exclusive to Microsoft.

Neon_Chaos · 06-10-2013, 06:54 PM

If the ps4 comes out at 399, they will win year one.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matthean

I don't think used games will be that much of an issue when it is all said and done. Publishers aren't going to be willing to cut their own nuts off.

Perception is everything. Will it alter habits of the core gamers? Not that much. They don't sell that many games back anyway.

Will it cause a public backlash much like the PS3 launch that could set them back for the entire generation? Definitely could.

spleen1015 · 06-10-2013, 07:31 PM

Based on the opinions that were thrown around here during the 360/PS3 war, I'm pretty sure the Xbox1 is going to do fairly well.

Matthean · 06-10-2013, 07:43 PM

GT is saying there is will be 3 different SKUs for the PS4 with the pricing between $399-$599.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 08:27 PM

Trenton is speeding through the PS3/Vita portion of the presentation. Looks like 3/4 of the two hours will be focused on PS4.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 08:40 PM

The PS4 looks like a slanted XBox One.

Eaglesfan27 · 06-10-2013, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

The PS4 looks like a slanted XBox One.

I thought the same thing. Interested to see if the rumor of 3 SKU's is true and more details about them.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 08:53 PM

Steampunk werewolf hunting in Whitechapel with The Order, nice.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 09:06 PM

Really excited for Transistor (though won't be playing on PS4).

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 09:21 PM

Totalbiscuit ‏@Totalbiscuit 40s
Trying not to get carried away by hte fact that this show just appears to be one great game after another with no end in sight.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 09:41 PM

MAD MAX!

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 09:45 PM

Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 09:46 PM

PS Network account carry over along with continuation of PS Plus program.

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2013, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.

bazinga!

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Full used games, no online authentication.

If the price is right, checkmate.

It looks like they're really going to be pushing it as a selling point.

Though unfortunately this video confirms that PS Plus is required for multiplayer. :/

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mckerney

It looks like they're really going to be pushing it as a selling point.

As well they should. It's a huge selling point that most people assumed wasn't going to happen.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM

and it's $399 and euros, 349 pounds uk.

SackAttack · 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM

$399? Oh, shit.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM

Goodness. What a disaster for MS. Unbelievable.

Scoobz0202 · 06-10-2013, 10:03 PM

Game over, Microsoft. Boom headshot

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM

The post-game on some of these streaming feeds will likely be filled with total disbelief. I don't think anyone thought that Sony would do everything correctly in this press conference.

cthomer5000 · 06-10-2013, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Goodness. What a disaster for MS. Unbelievable.

Yeah, something tells me this day did not go as they planned.

Goddamn. Heads must be spinning (and probably rolling soon) at XBOX right now.

Neon_Chaos · 06-10-2013, 10:07 PM

Game over Mircosoft. Wow.

So, to recap...

PS4:

No always online DRM.
No resale limitation
$399 start price.

Sony back on top.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 10:09 PM

Is there any chance MS comes out and says tomorrow, "Sorry, but we had a total miscommunication yesterday in our conference. Our console will release at $399, won't include Kinect, and will have no used game restrictions. Sorry about that."

DaddyTorgo · 06-10-2013, 10:09 PM

Shizzle me. Might just order one tomorrow at that price point...LOL

Neon_Chaos · 06-10-2013, 10:13 PM

Who else thinks Sony had this priced at $499... And waited until MS came out wih their price before slashing it in the evening?

Big Fo · 06-10-2013, 10:19 PM

Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Who else thinks Sony had this priced at $499... And waited until MS came out wih their price before slashing it in the evening?

It's an amazing game of cat and mouse. Putting on my tinfoil hat here, I really think that Sony strategically leaked out info to their partners to try to convince MS that they were going to start at a $449-499 price point. It's like MS was confident that they were at a good price point and had no concerns that what happened tonight would actually happen. They showed no hints that they thought they might be in a pickle.

I can't even imagine how the MS personnel felt when the used game announcement and price announcement were met with applause. They had multiple crowd shots during the applause where you could see media members just shaking their heads in disbelief at what had just happened. Easily one of the most amazing moments I've ever seen at E3.

mckerney · 06-10-2013, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

I have PS+ and think it's worthwhile, but also really don't like it being required for multiplayer.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-10-2013, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Fo

Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

It was bound to happen. I don't play online but love my PS+ membership because it's a very good value. From a competitive standpoint, it doesn't hurt them because MS already requires it.

DeToxRox · 06-10-2013, 10:37 PM

Just pre-ordered my PS4.

06-10-2013, 04:16 PM	#53
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	EA@E3 In Short: SEQUELS? SEQUELS!!! Wait, SEQUEL?!?!?!?!, Yes SEQUEL!!!! 8 bit mind in a 64 Bit World: The EA Press Conference at E3 __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

06-10-2013, 06:26 PM	#68
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	I don't think used games will be that much of an issue when it is all said and done. Publishers aren't going to be willing to cut their own nuts off. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

06-10-2013, 06:54 PM	#70
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	If the ps4 comes out at 399, they will win year one. __________________ Come and see. Last edited by Neon_Chaos : 06-10-2013 at 06:55 PM.

06-10-2013, 07:31 PM	#72
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Based on the opinions that were thrown around here during the 360/PS3 war, I'm pretty sure the Xbox1 is going to do fairly well. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

06-10-2013, 07:43 PM	#73
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	GT is saying there is will be 3 different SKUs for the PS4 with the pricing between $399-$599. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

06-10-2013, 03:57 PM	#52
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Mirror's Edge 2!

06-10-2013, 04:27 PM	#54
IlliniCub High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2012	A military fps without a dog is as useless as a football game without a beer tent

06-10-2013, 04:45 PM	#56
SackAttack Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Green Bay, WI	The UK price won't /help/ them, for sure, but the UK is a smaller market than Europe at-large, where the price is closer to parity with the US. I mean, the price in general is just a disaster waiting to happen if Sony have any ambition at all here, but the price in the UK won't matter hugely relative to the overall pricing scheme.

06-10-2013, 05:13 PM	#57
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Sooo, anyone manage to follow the Splinter Cell trailer?

06-10-2013, 05:15 PM	#58
Mota College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001	Yeah, $499 is ridiculous. I have a Xbox 360 where I own my games. I can "upgrade" to the Xbox One and license my games and lose control of what I can do with them. I don't see any touch points so far that make me want to buy it.

06-10-2013, 05:17 PM	#59
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Rayman Legends look great.

06-10-2013, 05:33 PM	#61
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The Crew looks kind of interesting, but someone needs to tell Ubi where Chicago is.

06-10-2013, 05:51 PM	#63
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Ubi decides not to rename Watch_Dogs to PRISM.

06-10-2013, 06:16 PM	#66
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The Division, very impressive.

06-10-2013, 06:31 PM	#69
INDalltheway College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Chicago	Some stuff on pricing from reddit. The Xbox 360 launched at $299.99/$399.99 and €299.99/€399.99. The PS3 60gb was $599.99/€599.99. The Wii was $249.99/€249.99 This is neither new nor exclusive to Microsoft.

06-10-2013, 08:27 PM	#74
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Trenton is speeding through the PS3/Vita portion of the presentation. Looks like 3/4 of the two hours will be focused on PS4.

06-10-2013, 08:40 PM	#75
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	The PS4 looks like a slanted XBox One.

06-10-2013, 08:53 PM	#77
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Steampunk werewolf hunting in Whitechapel with The Order, nice.

06-10-2013, 09:06 PM	#78
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Really excited for Transistor (though won't be playing on PS4).

06-10-2013, 09:21 PM	#79
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Totalbiscuit ‏@Totalbiscuit 40s Trying not to get carried away by hte fact that this show just appears to be one great game after another with no end in sight.

06-10-2013, 09:41 PM	#80
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	MAD MAX!

06-10-2013, 09:45 PM	#81
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Full used games, no online authentication. If the price is right, checkmate.

06-10-2013, 09:46 PM	#82
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	PS Network account carry over along with continuation of PS Plus program.

06-10-2013, 10:03 PM	#86
mckerney Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	and it's $399 and euros, 349 pounds uk.

06-10-2013, 10:03 PM	#89
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Game over, Microsoft. Boom headshot Last edited by Scoobz0202 : 06-10-2013 at 10:03 PM.

06-10-2013, 10:06 PM	#90
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	The post-game on some of these streaming feeds will likely be filled with total disbelief. I don't think anyone thought that Sony would do everything correctly in this press conference.

06-10-2013, 10:07 PM	#92
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Game over Mircosoft. Wow. So, to recap... PS4: No always online DRM. No resale limitation $399 start price. Sony back on top. __________________ Come and see.

06-10-2013, 10:09 PM	#93
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Is there any chance MS comes out and says tomorrow, "Sorry, but we had a total miscommunication yesterday in our conference. Our console will release at $399, won't include Kinect, and will have no used game restrictions. Sorry about that."

06-10-2013, 10:09 PM	#94
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	Shizzle me. Might just order one tomorrow at that price point...LOL __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

06-10-2013, 10:13 PM	#95
Neon_Chaos Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Parañaque, Philippines	Who else thinks Sony had this priced at $499... And waited until MS came out wih their price before slashing it in the evening? __________________ Come and see.

06-10-2013, 10:19 PM	#96
Big Fo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2005	Sounds like PSN Plus will be required if you want to play PS4 games online. That's really lame.

06-10-2013, 10:37 PM	#100
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	Just pre-ordered my PS4.

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