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Old 12-28-2005, 09:40 PM   #201
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Is the deadline tonight or tomorrow? if its tonight i have to act to save my ass...if not then i still have time to wonder why you vote for me over the other guy with 2 votes, schmidty, who hasnt been on the board in over a week
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:42 PM   #202
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:43 PM   #203
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yes, i could vote for the other guy and take my ass off the block, but this makes more sense. Instead of coffee having to find a replacement, we just kill the idle guy and go about or day. Note, i will vote for whoever keeps me alive if it comes down to it, but you wanted a tie so now you have a 3-way
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:43 PM   #204
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Is the deadline tonight or tomorrow? if its tonight i have to act to save my ass...if not then i still have time to wonder why you vote for me over the other guy with 2 votes, schmidty, who hasnt been on the board in over a week

I think the deadline is tomorrow am. Schmidty may get replaced - or not, and he may end up lynched.

There's also this, which while I agree with the sentiment, is missing something:

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Your asking to get taken if you start doing that...your basically saying please someone repeat what dubb did last game...
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:44 PM   #205
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I AM NOT A DEMON ON DAY ONE

we happy now?
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:48 PM   #206
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I'm west coast so I've got to have my vote in tonight. As long as we're looking for a replacement for him it seems like a good way to go.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:50 PM   #207
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I AM NOT A DEMON ON DAY ONE

we happy now?

That puts us here:

0 - Hoopsguy
3 - Blade6119
3 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
3 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls

I think this is the best voting pattern for the humans, a 3-way tie. There's probably at least a 50/50 chance that one of those guys is a demon, forcing some demons to move their votes around.

Let's see how this shakes out.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:58 PM   #208
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I think this is the best voting pattern for the humans, a 3-way tie. There's probably at least a 50/50 chance that one of those guys is a demon, forcing some demons to move their votes around.

Let's see how this shakes out.

Great, I read this right after changing my vote.


So forgive me for what may be a stupid question, but as the first day first game guy here, why would this be a 50/50 chance (3 guys with 3 votes if we assumed as earlier 16 total players and 3 demons?) and why would it force a demon's hand?
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:59 PM   #209
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Assuming 3 demons there is a 40% chance that none of them are demons and a 60% chance that at least one is a demon.

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Old 12-28-2005, 10:01 PM   #210
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Assuming 3 demons there is a 47% chance that there are no demons in that group while a 53% chance that there is at least 1 demon in that group.

Wow, that was quick. Thanks -- I knew I shoulda paid attention in math.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:02 PM   #211
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Wow, that was quick. Thanks -- I knew I shoulda paid attention in math.
I had done the math at first with 18 players. I edited my post to reflect the 16 player game.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:03 PM   #212
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Great, I read this right after changing my vote.


So forgive me for what may be a stupid question, but as the first day first game guy here, why would this be a 50/50 chance (3 guys with 3 votes if we assumed as earlier 16 total players and 3 demons?) and why would it force a demon's hand?

With your vote it's now Schmidty 4, two other guys 3. It doesn't neccesarily force a demon's hand even as a tie, but they are sure to be careful to make sure that a demon doesn't get lynched on day 1. In the following days, we can examine those day 1 votes to gather clues about who may be demonic.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:06 PM   #213
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With your vote it's now Schmidty 4, two other guys 3. It doesn't neccesarily force a demon's hand even as a tie, but they are sure to be careful to make sure that a demon doesn't get lynched on day 1. In the following days, we can examine those day 1 votes to gather clues about who may be demonic.

Actually, since I had originally voted Dacman it would now be Schmidty 4, Blade 3 and Dacman 2. I'd be willing to switch it back to Dacman if it's gonna be seen as suspicious later......like I said, I just switched it in the first place since it seemed the spot was open anyways.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:18 PM   #214
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Yeesh, had Blade and SnDvls bring up my name on day 1. I guess that is a good rep to have in a WW game??? I am a villager and I haven't picked up on any baddies yet. BTW, I was the first to bring up the goat (demons pick) back in post #106. Thought CW's post was pretty clear to understand myself.

just wanted to see you post again to make sure you were still around.
I'd move, but I don't want to seem like I'm jumping on a bandwagon either. If I hit Schmidty I'm piling on. If I move to dacman I force a tie and if my memory serves me right a decision that we don't know the outcome (possibly the elementals get to decide??) and if I go to Blade it allows someone to set me up later by jumping on him for the lynch if he turns out good. I think I'll stay on you king...unless someone comes up with something pretty dramatic.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:24 PM   #215
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I should have tanked last game on purpose so i wouldnt get killed this time..just becuase i had a good game last time everyone wants me dead
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:27 PM   #216
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I should have tanked last game on purpose so i wouldnt get killed this time..just becuase i had a good game last time everyone wants me dead

lol

I actually would rather have you around, but I don't really know how to play day 1, and I don't think anybody really does. I think every game I've played it's been a villager lynched on day 1. I bet all three of the vote leaders are regular humans.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:31 PM   #217
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lol

I actually would rather have you around, but I don't really know how to play day 1, and I don't think anybody really does. I think every game I've played it's been a villager lynched on day 1. I bet all three of the vote leaders are regular humans.

i remember the game we voted for illini, he was the duke, he swapped it randomly to a wolf, and at night they attacked the wolf hunter who killed the other wolf...we never even made it to day 2 lol
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:37 PM   #218
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ok, i guess i will vote now, i really dont have too many ideas right now, but one thing i do know is that schmidty isnt helping anything by not being around (and that is really the reason for this...im not piling on)

vote schmidty
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:44 PM   #219
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Since Blade has laid off his vote, I will too. For the record, guys, CW asked for votes and unvotes to be in different posts.

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Old 12-28-2005, 10:47 PM   #220
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Just to get a vote on someone without any, and see what happens.

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Old 12-28-2005, 11:08 PM   #221
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0 - Hoopsguy
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1 - St.Cronin
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2 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls
1 - Barkeep49

As yaks make good bricks, they don't make good pillows. Much too hard. Goats are far better for pillows.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:13 PM   #222
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As yaks make good bricks, they don't make good pillows. Much too hard. Goats are far better for pillows.

I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:24 PM   #223
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I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night


I think it is CW just messing with our heads.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:34 PM   #224
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I think that means we had favor during the day, and now the bad guys have favor at night
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:19 AM   #225
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40 minutes till deadline.
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Old 12-29-2005, 08:58 AM   #226
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After a long, long, LONG series of discussions, arguments, in-fighting, paranoia, rants about dice, and after a tasty dinner of leftover yak & goat, you finally agree that an example must be made. Schmidty is dragged, silent as ever, to the massive executioner, who does not even give him the honor of a final request before lopping off his head. It rolls with a satisfying thud, and ends up splashing into a bowl of leftover goat stew.

Unfortunately, the tell tale signs of a person who has sold his soul to the minions of hell are not present this day. It becomes quickly apparent Schmidty was an untainted human through and through. A quick search of his quarters reveals nothing of major interest, merely a suit of battered & worn armor, and an old, blood-stained sword.

As you finish searching through Schmidty's room, you return to the courtyard to see a large piece of parchment nailed to a wall. Written in ornate script, it says...


The Norse god of thunder, Thor, had a chariot that was pulled by several goats. At night when he would set up camp, Thor would eat the meat of the goats, but take care that all bones remained whole. Then he would wrap the remains up, and in the morning, the goats would always come back to life to pull the chariot. When a mortal who was invited to share the meal broke one of the goats' legs to suck the marrow, however, the animal's leg remained broken in the morrow, and the mortal was forced to serve Thor as a servant to compensate for the damage.


NIGHT 1 DEADLINE, ACTIONS DUE 9pm CST THURSDAY



Final Tally
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0 - Hoopsguy
2 - Blade6119
5 - Schmidty
1 - St.Cronin
0 - WVUFAN
2 - Dacman
0 - TazFTW
0 - Passacaglia
1 - Grammaticus
1 - Path12
1 - Kingfc
1 - SnDvls
1 - Barkeep49

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1 Ardent Enthusiast
2 Blade6119
3 Schmidty, Human, Lynched Day 1
4 Dacman
5 Hoopsguy
6 SnDvls
7 Passacaglia
8 Path12
9 St.Cronin
10 Grammaticus
11 TazFTW
12 Saldana
13 WVUFAN
14 Kingfc22
15 Barkeep49
16 dubb93
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:01 AM   #227
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Ouch. Well, I mean, ouch. Always sucks to lose a fellow villager, but Schmidty is out of town.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:02 AM   #228
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:03 AM   #229
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Ouch is right.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:05 AM   #230
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So, what do you think it means, the head rolling into the goat stew?

What about the Thor message? I wonder if that means hurting the wrong person can make you a demon.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:08 AM   #231
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Maybe Schmidty or whoever takes over for him will now be a servant of the elementals...got me.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:14 AM   #232
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that sucked.

CW....quit screwing with our minds!!! He's so good at that.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:16 AM   #233
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:21 AM   #234
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I wonder if it means a goat sacrifice would bring him back? I'm guessing there is a way that a human could turn demon if we do the wrong thing, but who the hell knows what that would be? I guess we'll find out eventually.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:35 AM   #235
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:37 AM   #236
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Deadline for night actions is 9pm?

never mind, my reading skillz are fine
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:44 AM   #237
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Last game at the end of the day I posted a summary of who voted for who and a brief summary of the explanation. I don't know if anyone else found it helpful, but it was helpful for me to review the posts with votes, so I'm doing it yet again.

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9) St croninhoopsguyRandom number generator
13) WVUFANbladeIs a crafty player
1) Ardent Enthusiast

schmidtyObeying his rules
16) dubb93

st. croninVoting against using random number generators
2) Blade6119wvufanRevenge for pwning him last game
10) GrammaticusdacmanVoting for a quiet person
7) PassacagliadacmanWas trying to vote for someone without a vote
15) Barkeep49taztfwBelieved he was voting for a no show
8) Path12dacmanAs good of a pick as any
Barkeep49schmidtyTo vote for no show and try to prevent bandwagon
BladepassacagliaHas been quiet so far
4) DacmangrammaticusRevenge vote
PassacagliabladeDoesn't see himself as quiet
5) HoopsguydacmanWants to turn up the heat on a player he has no feel for
ardent enthusiastpathDoesn't want to have hand in first lynch
6) SnDvlskingHas been quiet so far
11) TazFTWSnDvlsHe has an evil name
14) Kingfc22schmidtyWants to narrow votes a little
st.croninbladeWants to make a tie
BladeschmidtyFeels this vote makes more sense, but will vote for whoever he needs to keep alive
pathschmidtySince a replacement is being sought
12) SaldanaschmidtyIsn't helping by being absent
PassacagliaBarkeep49Wants to see what happens

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Old 12-29-2005, 09:53 AM   #238
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Fwiw, path's was the lynching vote, saldana was just piling on. I have some thoughts which will wait for night actions.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:54 AM   #239
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Barkeep - it helps me so please keep it up
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:03 AM   #240
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To me the real turning point was King's vote for Schmidty as that changed the tide. If he'd gone for dacman it would have ensured that as a lynch. As it stands, I don't blame king for his vote, obviously as I voted the same way, despite our having failed to find a demon.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:13 AM   #241
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So does anyone have any significant trust built up as of yet?

If not trust, are there people that are moving towards highly distrust?

Reasons for either would help generate some discussion. I understand if people may want to wait until after night actions are complete to go down this road.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:18 AM   #242
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So does anyone have any significant trust built up as of yet?

If not trust, are there people that are moving towards highly distrust?

Reasons for either would help generate some discussion. I understand if people may want to wait until after night actions are complete to go down this road.

Nothing significant yet, just a couple of hunches which I'm waiting for after night to bring up. Day 1 vote was more interesting than I'm used to.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:21 AM   #243
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Schmidty having the armor and sword may be indicative of some kind of protector role - which would obviously be bad news for the humans if he is dead (and not recoverable).
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:26 AM   #244
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Schmidty having the armor and sword may be indicative of some kind of protector role - which would obviously be bad news for the humans if he is dead (and not recoverable).

i was wondering if anyone else picked up on this...i am a lot more worried about the fact that he had armor and a sword than i am about his head landing in the goat soup (which i took to be CW's creative juices flowing out of control)
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:27 AM   #245
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I would just like to point out to Barkeep that my vote for St. Cronin was not due to me wanting to throw out an early vote, it was b/c of his use of a random number generator.

I do have a hunch at this point, but I'm not sure if I'm quite ready to come forward with it at this point without seeing what he does today.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:29 AM   #246
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Last game at the end of the day I posted a summary of who voted for who and a brief summary of the explanation. I don't know if anyone else found it helpful, but it was helpful for me to review the posts with votes, so I'm doing it yet again.



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Old 12-29-2005, 10:32 AM   #247
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I don't remember a guardian ever actually saving anybody. I think seer/witness types are much more important.
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:36 AM   #248
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You were the brutal wolf last game, right?


I think you are right...mabey that's why I lost last game
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:36 AM   #249
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I would just like to point out to Barkeep that my vote for St. Cronin was not due to me wanting to throw out an early vote, it was b/c of his use of a random number generator.

I do have a hunch at this point, but I'm not sure if I'm quite ready to come forward with it at this point without seeing what he does today.
I have fixed it. I read your post as the first part being the reason for your vote with the second part unrelated. With your explanation, it makes sense that the first part is explaining why you're voting with the second part the reason for your actual vote .
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Old 12-29-2005, 10:37 AM   #250
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You were the brutal wolf last game, right?
Well last game it was helpful knowing who to kill or not kill. This game it'll be useful for the purposes of good .
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