2009 FOFC Alternate Rules Football; Season Underway! - Page 10

molson · 09-21-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

This could be 2 weeks in a row that I am over 140 points and lose.

I am going to be pissed unless the Dolphins can scrape 2 points together on D tonight. I am not optimistic.

I think you'll manage the two points, which will give me the weekly award for highest point-total in a loss (155.50)

You can thank my genius decision to start JeMarcus Russell instead of Eli Manning. If I didn't do that, I would have had the highest point total in both of the first two weeks.

Butter · 09-23-2009, 07:33 AM

2.3 points and I scraped by with the win, mostly thanks to the single sack that the Dolphins managed to record.

Santana Moss, why you gots to suck so bad?

sterlingice · 09-23-2009, 08:28 AM

Ugh. 0-2. I'm just not doing well- I've made some minor tweaks but we'll see how things go moving forward

SI

Qwikshot · 09-23-2009, 08:38 AM

Yeah 0-2 as well...so glad this isn't a money league.

k0ruptr · 09-28-2009, 08:50 PM

I have no idea how my team did so well, I guess it was a very consistent effort from everyone? but somehow it looks like I'm going to get the win despite going up against MJD and Santana Moss.

I'm still not sold sold on my team, but I guess I would say I'm pretty solidly happy.

Danny · 09-28-2009, 10:33 PM

Wow did I really just lose by 0.18

flere-imsaho · 09-29-2009, 08:45 AM

I really don't know how I'm 3-0.

Butter · 09-29-2009, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

I have no idea how my team did so well, I guess it was a very consistent effort from everyone? but somehow it looks like I'm going to get the win despite going up against MJD and Santana Moss.

I'm still not sold sold on my team, but I guess I would say I'm pretty solidly happy.

Westbrook was out and my #2 RB Ward did absolutely zip. My #2 QB spot also did next to nothing. So, there you go. You had an excellent week all around. I'm a bit annoyed that my point totals so far don't amount to better than 1-2, but hopefully it'll come around if injuries don't destroy my team first.

k0ruptr · 10-18-2009, 11:29 PM

bizzump. Fun week. I'm down by 20 with Rivers, Gates, Denver D, and Denvers kicker left. My Opponent, I forget who now is done. I think (hope/pray) I can pull it out.

Masked · 10-19-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

bizzump. Fun week. I'm down by 20 with Rivers, Gates, Denver D, and Denvers kicker left. My Opponent, I forget who now is done. I think (hope/pray) I can pull it out.

I expect you to pull it out. Starting the Titans D was a bad decision.

k0ruptr · 10-19-2009, 12:52 AM

It didn't help. But you have scored a ton this week, I'm not sure if I will or not. If Rivers to Gates has a good day then yes. if not I'm screwed.

k0ruptr · 10-19-2009, 12:53 AM

Dola, you shoulda seen me watching the Jets game and following live on the stats thing on Yahoo. When they faked that FG in OT and then the Bills won that was like a 7 point swing also. You had Feely and the Jets D. The things FF makes us root for is weird , lol.

flere-imsaho · 10-19-2009, 10:34 AM

Looks like I'm going to lose to Quikshot....

Qwikshot · 10-19-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Looks like I'm going to lose to Quikshot....

Don't take it too hard, Ray Rice was a great idea, waiting on quarterbacks - not so much.

Butter · 10-19-2009, 10:58 AM

Looks like the field is going to bunch up a bit.

k0ruptr · 10-27-2009, 05:01 PM

Go Hawaii Ha'a!

no, really just trying to see what everyone's thoughts are so far.

My team is solid I feel, but I have no depth at all, if I lose anyone to injury, im pretty fucked

Masked · 10-27-2009, 05:06 PM

I'm just pretty fucked

Butter · 10-27-2009, 05:59 PM

My #2 QB spot has turned into a rotating circle of hell.

I've played Derek Anderson and Josh Johnson there the last 2 weeks. Yuk.

Yet somehow I have 2 straight massive blowouts and the 2nd highest point total in the league. Color me surprised.

flere-imsaho · 10-28-2009, 09:58 AM

My initial strength is dissipating. I think I've been lucky with WR performance so far, and very lucky with TE performance, and have largely rode Manning & Benson to second place.

molson · 10-28-2009, 10:32 AM

Taking Steve Smith (Car) and Calvin Johnson so high has definitely hurt. And my RB situation has also gone south, with Portis and the Buffalo RBs.

But Sims-Walker and Miles Austin should help me at WR the rest of the way. QB is fine with Brees and Eli Manning. TEs are very strong. Lynch/Portis/Bradshaw/McCoy is very shaky at RB, but hopefully I can play the matchups.

Danny · 10-28-2009, 10:40 AM

Who would have guessed QB would be the strength of my team? Big Ben and Flacco turned out to be great picks, but unfortunately my RB and WR haven't quite lived up to my expectations. Though it's mostly not their faults as Jackson has performed very well, his team is just so bad and Barber was doing really well before his injury.

Danny · 10-28-2009, 10:41 AM

That said, despite my 3-4 record I am 3rd in total points (couple of close crushing losses) so I think a win this week puts me in decent position to me make a run toward the finish. At least I hope so.

Qwikshot · 10-28-2009, 11:10 AM

My record belies the fact that I'm one of the worst in overall points scored...when your team roster holds 4 QBs (Cassel, Cutler, Vince Young and Alex Smith), you know its gonna be a long season.

Danny · 11-02-2009, 09:18 PM

My team is in another nail biter this week. Hopefully I can finally pull out one of these close ones. If not, playoff hopes look dim at 3-5

Danny · 11-02-2009, 10:41 PM

Wow, again. This time it looks like a 0.92 point loss.

Butter · 11-11-2009, 06:14 AM

Pittsburgh's defense saved me this week. Ever since Polamalu has come back, they are 5 times better.

flere-imsaho · 11-11-2009, 08:43 AM

Just realized I've hit a pretty big losing skid.

Butter · 11-23-2009, 05:06 PM

Almost feel like I should apologize to molson, who nearly hit 200 points this week, but I got over 205.

k0ruptr · 11-23-2009, 05:29 PM

yea that was some awesome crazy scoring. This league is coming down to the wire. I'm enjoying my spot in the standings right now.

Butter · 11-23-2009, 05:41 PM

You're going down next week, Hawaii Ha'a!!!!!

k0ruptr · 12-01-2009, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

You're going down next week, Hawaii Ha'a!!!!!

Ahem... what was that... ?

Danny · 12-01-2009, 08:14 AM

Woot! I am back in the hunt now! Need to win out in all likelihood, but have a decent shot at playoffs now. Still wish I could have pulled out one of those super close ones earlier in the year.

molson · 12-01-2009, 09:59 AM

I've really crapped the bed in this league.

Time to play spoiler!

Butter · 12-01-2009, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Ahem... what was that... ?

Lost by .29. Can't believe I couldn't count on Welker to get 9 lousy points. That's crap!

Rematch in the playoffs!!!!!

flere-imsaho · 12-01-2009, 10:30 AM

My freefall continues....

Masked · 12-01-2009, 11:23 AM

I have no hope either, even if I win out, I've got the fewest points scored in the league.

k0ruptr · 12-01-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Lost by .29. Can't believe I couldn't count on Welker to get 9 lousy points. That's crap!

Rematch in the playoffs!!!!!

Yea actually, I had it counted as a loss going into monday night, I was like there is no chance in hell Welker won't get 9 points. I was sure of it. then as I was watching I was like damn how many catches he got. hes close. YAY he didn't make it

k0ruptr · 12-01-2009, 02:51 PM

dola, btw I hate finishing first in leagues, so I hope I dont, I always have the team that wins the regular season and then gets ousted in the first playoff round. I'll be pissed if that happens.

sterlingice · 12-02-2009, 11:33 AM

Ok, so I'm finally back to FOFC after a bit of "damn, work is just way too busy" and I do feel bad about not posting in this thread more than any other since there should be a lot of talking in it, but looks like things are doing just fine in my absence. As is evident by a lot of my roster moves, I have kept rearranging the deck chairs on my Titanic but team's still not good

And, as stated before- wow, coming down to the wire.

SI

k0ruptr · 12-02-2009, 12:35 PM

I just noticed I've clinched a play off spot. have fun fighting for the rest suckers! lol jk.

sterlingice · 12-02-2009, 01:12 PM

I've had a nice little win streak put me in a position to possibly win out and still miss the playoffs, or, even better, take a crushing loss to k0ruptr who doesn't really care how the next 2 weeks play out

SI

k0ruptr · 12-02-2009, 01:32 PM

All in all, I've really enjoyed this league again, last time I think I finished in 2nd, so apparently I pwn this league. nah jk but it really is fun, and IMO regular fantasy football rules should be defaulted to this. Imagine how much more fun FF would be if this was the default yahoo style. that would be awesome. Out of my 4 leagues I am in this year, this is clearly the one I am interested in the most, and would be even if I was in last instead of first.

the only things I would (possibly) change is maybe lowering the points the team defense can generate some how. I've seen a lot of weeks where team defense can rack em up, and I don't think it should be that way. but thats just my opinion. I also wish there was some way to increase Tight ends, but they can't be changed separately of receivers I'm guessing. And then one final thing is maybe lowering the QB's a little bit, because it seems like they are the highest scorers in the league, I would lower them slightly just to make it more even. but I could be wrong.

sterlingice · 12-02-2009, 01:48 PM

I'm feeling a smidge of regret about the bench in this league. A little, but not a ton. The ww still has a lot of talent in it- hell, I just picked up TO a couple of weeks ago (tho he had been awful up until I did) and there are still decent WRs out there right now. However, QB is bone dry- can't do much about that.

I just wish there was an injury spot available- you can put anyone who is Questionable or lower in that spot (so, no "probable"s since they mostly play anyways) and can't use them for the upcoming week. Then you can have 5 bench guys beyond that. There are some difficulties with that, tho- as injury status just goes from Thursday until gametime. And then on Wednesday (WW day), you'd actually have a guy not in the injured spot but with no status until Thursday when injury reports came out.

SI

Masked · 12-02-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sterlingice

The ww still has a lot of talent in it- hell, I just picked up TO a couple of weeks ago (tho he had been awful up until I did) and there are still decent WRs out there right now. However, QB is bone dry- can't do much about that.

You're welcome

He did nothing for me.

Butter · 12-15-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k0ruptr

Yea actually, I had it counted as a loss going into monday night, I was like there is no chance in hell Welker won't get 9 points. I was sure of it. then as I was watching I was like damn how many catches he got. hes close. YAY he didn't make it

REMATCH!!!!!

sterlingice · 12-15-2009, 02:27 PM

My team was much better at the end of the season than at the beginning but that just tells you how bad it was at the start. My team is also a lesson about how you really need to balance out your team. I had 2 of the top 5 scoring QBs (and top 10 players overall) but my RBs were bad and, aside from picking up New Orleans D at one point, I never really got much from my down roster team (TEs, Ks, Ds) except for a good week here or there. My team, in general, just felt really inconsistent- if I had good weeks from my, say, RBs, then my WRs would have a bad week, or vice versa.

Time to try and get 1st in the Consolation bracket!

SI

molson · 12-15-2009, 02:34 PM

It looks like a late-season run gets me into the consolation bracket

flere-imsaho · 12-15-2009, 02:53 PM

Started strong, faded by the end. But I enjoyed myself and would participate next year.

Butter · 12-15-2009, 02:55 PM

I must thank whoever it was that dropped Ricky Williams. Otherwise, my RB situation would've been a mess after Westbrook went down.

k0ruptr · 12-15-2009, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

REMATCH!!!!!

SOB. I didn't want to play you in the playoffs, my team better show up.

09-23-2009, 07:33 AM	#452
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	2.3 points and I scraped by with the win, mostly thanks to the single sack that the Dolphins managed to record. Santana Moss, why you gots to suck so bad? __________________ My listening habits

09-23-2009, 08:28 AM	#453
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ugh. 0-2. I'm just not doing well- I've made some minor tweaks but we'll see how things go moving forward SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

09-23-2009, 08:38 AM	#454
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	Yeah 0-2 as well...so glad this isn't a money league. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

09-28-2009, 08:50 PM	#455
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I have no idea how my team did so well, I guess it was a very consistent effort from everyone? but somehow it looks like I'm going to get the win despite going up against MJD and Santana Moss. I'm still not sold sold on my team, but I guess I would say I'm pretty solidly happy. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

10-18-2009, 11:29 PM	#459
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	bizzump. Fun week. I'm down by 20 with Rivers, Gates, Denver D, and Denvers kicker left. My Opponent, I forget who now is done. I think (hope/pray) I can pull it out. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

09-28-2009, 10:33 PM	#456
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow did I really just lose by 0.18

09-29-2009, 08:45 AM	#457
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	I really don't know how I'm 3-0.

10-19-2009, 12:52 AM	#461
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	It didn't help. But you have scored a ton this week, I'm not sure if I will or not. If Rivers to Gates has a good day then yes. if not I'm screwed. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

10-19-2009, 12:53 AM	#462
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Dola, you shoulda seen me watching the Jets game and following live on the stats thing on Yahoo. When they faked that FG in OT and then the Bills won that was like a 7 point swing also. You had Feely and the Jets D. The things FF makes us root for is weird , lol. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

10-19-2009, 10:34 AM	#463
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Looks like I'm going to lose to Quikshot....

10-19-2009, 10:58 AM	#465
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Looks like the field is going to bunch up a bit. __________________ My listening habits

10-27-2009, 05:01 PM	#466
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	Go Hawaii Ha'a! no, really just trying to see what everyone's thoughts are so far. My team is solid I feel, but I have no depth at all, if I lose anyone to injury, im pretty fucked __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

10-27-2009, 05:06 PM	#467
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	I'm just pretty fucked

10-27-2009, 05:59 PM	#468
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	My #2 QB spot has turned into a rotating circle of hell. I've played Derek Anderson and Josh Johnson there the last 2 weeks. Yuk. Yet somehow I have 2 straight massive blowouts and the 2nd highest point total in the league. Color me surprised. __________________ My listening habits

10-28-2009, 09:58 AM	#469
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	My initial strength is dissipating. I think I've been lucky with WR performance so far, and very lucky with TE performance, and have largely rode Manning & Benson to second place.

10-28-2009, 10:32 AM	#470
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Taking Steve Smith (Car) and Calvin Johnson so high has definitely hurt. And my RB situation has also gone south, with Portis and the Buffalo RBs. But Sims-Walker and Miles Austin should help me at WR the rest of the way. QB is fine with Brees and Eli Manning. TEs are very strong. Lynch/Portis/Bradshaw/McCoy is very shaky at RB, but hopefully I can play the matchups.

10-28-2009, 10:40 AM	#471
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Who would have guessed QB would be the strength of my team? Big Ben and Flacco turned out to be great picks, but unfortunately my RB and WR haven't quite lived up to my expectations. Though it's mostly not their faults as Jackson has performed very well, his team is just so bad and Barber was doing really well before his injury.

10-28-2009, 10:41 AM	#472
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	That said, despite my 3-4 record I am 3rd in total points (couple of close crushing losses) so I think a win this week puts me in decent position to me make a run toward the finish. At least I hope so.

10-28-2009, 11:10 AM	#473
Qwikshot Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: ...down the gravity well	My record belies the fact that I'm one of the worst in overall points scored...when your team roster holds 4 QBs (Cassel, Cutler, Vince Young and Alex Smith), you know its gonna be a long season. __________________ "General Woundwort's body was never found. It could be that he still lives his fierce life somewhere else, but from that day on, mother rabbits would tell their kittens that if they did not do as they were told, the General would get them. Such was Woundwort's monument, and perhaps it would not have displeased him." Watership Down, Richard Adams

11-02-2009, 09:18 PM	#474
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	My team is in another nail biter this week. Hopefully I can finally pull out one of these close ones. If not, playoff hopes look dim at 3-5

11-02-2009, 10:41 PM	#475
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Wow, again. This time it looks like a 0.92 point loss.

11-11-2009, 06:14 AM	#476
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Pittsburgh's defense saved me this week. Ever since Polamalu has come back, they are 5 times better. __________________ My listening habits

11-11-2009, 08:43 AM	#477
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Just realized I've hit a pretty big losing skid.

11-23-2009, 05:06 PM	#478
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Almost feel like I should apologize to molson, who nearly hit 200 points this week, but I got over 205. __________________ My listening habits

11-23-2009, 05:29 PM	#479
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	yea that was some awesome crazy scoring. This league is coming down to the wire. I'm enjoying my spot in the standings right now. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

11-23-2009, 05:41 PM	#480
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	You're going down next week, Hawaii Ha'a!!!!! __________________ My listening habits

12-01-2009, 08:14 AM	#482
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Woot! I am back in the hunt now! Need to win out in all likelihood, but have a decent shot at playoffs now. Still wish I could have pulled out one of those super close ones earlier in the year.

12-01-2009, 09:59 AM	#483
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	I've really crapped the bed in this league. Time to play spoiler!

12-01-2009, 10:30 AM	#485
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	My freefall continues....

12-01-2009, 11:23 AM	#486
Masked College Starter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bay Area	I have no hope either, even if I win out, I've got the fewest points scored in the league.

12-01-2009, 02:51 PM	#488
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	dola, btw I hate finishing first in leagues, so I hope I dont, I always have the team that wins the regular season and then gets ousted in the first playoff round. I'll be pissed if that happens. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

12-02-2009, 11:33 AM	#489
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Ok, so I'm finally back to FOFC after a bit of "damn, work is just way too busy" and I do feel bad about not posting in this thread more than any other since there should be a lot of talking in it, but looks like things are doing just fine in my absence. As is evident by a lot of my roster moves, I have kept rearranging the deck chairs on my Titanic but team's still not good And, as stated before- wow, coming down to the wire. SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-02-2009, 12:35 PM	#490
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	I just noticed I've clinched a play off spot. have fun fighting for the rest suckers! lol jk. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks

12-02-2009, 01:12 PM	#491
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	I've had a nice little win streak put me in a position to possibly win out and still miss the playoffs, or, even better, take a crushing loss to k0ruptr who doesn't really care how the next 2 weeks play out SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

12-02-2009, 01:32 PM	#492
k0ruptr Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Las Vegas	All in all, I've really enjoyed this league again, last time I think I finished in 2nd, so apparently I pwn this league. nah jk but it really is fun, and IMO regular fantasy football rules should be defaulted to this. Imagine how much more fun FF would be if this was the default yahoo style. that would be awesome. Out of my 4 leagues I am in this year, this is clearly the one I am interested in the most, and would be even if I was in last instead of first. the only things I would (possibly) change is maybe lowering the points the team defense can generate some how. I've seen a lot of weeks where team defense can rack em up, and I don't think it should be that way. but thats just my opinion. I also wish there was some way to increase Tight ends, but they can't be changed separately of receivers I'm guessing. And then one final thing is maybe lowering the QB's a little bit, because it seems like they are the highest scorers in the league, I would lower them slightly just to make it more even. but I could be wrong. __________________ Xbox Live Gamertag: k0ruptr My Favorite Teams : Chicago White Sox - Carolina Panthers - Orlando Magic - Phoenix Suns - Anaheim Ducks - Hawaii Warriors - Oregon Ducks Last edited by k0ruptr : 12-02-2009 at 01:35 PM.