2020 Democratic Primaries/General Election Thread

[Atocep]

Pence ain't touching a Roe v Wade question.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Pence is coming across to me like a man who doesn't like to be spoken to "like that" by a woman

Oh yes for sure.

[Ben E Lou]

Talking over the moderator over and over isn’t going to help Trump/Pence with women.

[kingfc22]

This tweet nails it:

“ There is like 400 years of history on that stage. She has to stick to facts (he doesn’t), she has to be polite (he doesn’t), she has to make sure that white people watching don’t take one wrong move as a confirmation of her “otherness.” Pence only has to sit there in a red tie.”

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Ben E Lou

Talking over the moderator over and over isn’t going to help Trump/Pence with women.

Especially since Harris seems trying to time her answer perfectly just to contrast how awful Pence is going over.

SI

[Edward64]

Yeah, Kamala went over just now. Keep at it.

[Lathum]

I am a bit behind but Kamala is addressing the female soldier who was killed by ISIS. I think she missed an opportunity to remind people that Bidens sons were in the military and he can feel their pain.

[ISiddiqui]

The Abraham Lincoln story... BOOM!!

[Edward64]

Kamala should have a better answer on packing SCOTUS.

[kingfc22]

Lol. Sure Mike. Because you have answered all the questions.

[cuervo72]

It wasn't even a moderator question! It was his question! He's not the moderator!

[ISiddiqui]

Harris and Biden need to keep punting on the packing question. Trump and Pence want to get them to commit - you'll piss someone off if you answer. By not doing so they win.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Harris and Biden need to keep punting on the packing question. Trump and Pence want to get them to commit - you'll piss someone off if you answer. By not doing so they win.

Exactly

SI

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Yeah, Kamala went over just now. Keep at it.

Yeah, she did it again! Keep on going ...

[JPhillips]

OMG Pence has a bug on his head.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Exactly

SI

Come up with a non-answer answer. Instead, they are ignoring it completely.

[Jas_lov]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Harris and Biden need to keep punting on the packing question. Trump and Pence want to get them to commit - you'll piss someone off if you answer. By not doing so they win.

They could just say something like it depends on if the Republicans ram through this justice right before the election.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

OMG Pence has a bug on his head.

Flies are attracted to shit

[kingfc22]

Hahahahaha. The fly is going to win the debate

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

OMG Pence has a bug on his head.

Kamala, go low and say "Mr. VP, you have a fly on your hair"

[Jas_lov]

That fly is distracting

[GrantDawg]

I think they could day, "we are not for increasing the number of justices in the court, but we are not ruling out any tool to correct injustice."

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[GrantDawg]

"President Trump has black friends..."

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[Jas_lov]

Running out of time? I thought this was supposed to be two hours.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I think they could day, "we are not for increasing the number of justices in the court, but we are not ruling out any tool to correct injustice."

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That is a much better answer than just ignoring it.

[sterlingice]

Does someone keep sneezing in the crowd?

SI

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Running out of time? I thought this was supposed to be two hours.

An hour and a half

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

This tweet nails it:

“ There is like 400 years of history on that stage. She has to stick to facts (he doesn’t), she has to be polite (he doesn’t), she has to make sure that white people watching don’t take one wrong move as a confirmation of her “otherness.” Pence only has to sit there in a red tie.”

[cuervo72]

No eyeroll, it's absolutely right. She has to maintain her composure or she will be labeled the "angry black woman."

[JediKooter]

Even the moderator is cutting Harris off faster than she is Pence.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Let me guess you are white male, like women and are a former enlisted service member oh and a Colts fan?

[sterlingice]

Pence has a pretty good answer at the end.

(EDIT: Of course, it's easier to say "we all come together" as a white male than as a black female)

SI

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/mikepencefly___/...651169792?s=21

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Pence has a pretty good answer at the end.

SI

Honestly, the only sincere thing I've heard him say all night.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Let me guess you are white male, like women and are a former enlisted service member oh and a Colts fan?

Your point?

[JediKooter]

Holy shit! Pence is married to Melissa McCarthy?

[Atocep]

I'd give Harris the edge here. Pence did a respectable job considering the hand he was dealt, but there's not much you can do with a lot of the work Trump has done. Harris missed some opportunities but landed enough blows that this is unlikely to change anyone's mind,which is a big win for Biden.

[sterlingice]

This debate was like "Hey, that thing last week was a train wreck so let's make this look like a normal debate", which is basically dodging the hard questions and shoehorning talking points into totally unrelated questions, like a bad job interview.

SI

[JediKooter]

I definitely don't see a bunch of people jumping ship from Biden/Harris after this debate and really not many from trump/pence either.

[JPhillips]

The Chairman of CPAC and husband of a WH staffer saying some definitely not racist things.

Pence was steady and strong. Solid performance. Presidential

Harris is like a diversity officer in county government

— Matt Schlapp (@mschlapp) October 8, 2020

[Edward64]

I call it a draw or at least not a significant win for either.

Both landed some good jabs, both avoided answering questions they didn't want to answer. I do think Kamala missed opportunities for stronger Trump specific jabs (there's a wealth of material).

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

I definitely don't see a bunch of people jumping ship from Biden/Harris after this debate and really not many from trump/pence either.

Seemed like a safe debate for both of them. At this point in the campaign, a draw helps Biden/Harris as they're just running out the clock. I think this also let people feel comfortable that if something happens to Biden, they're ok with Harris. Pence needed to do something to shake up the race and that's not really in his wheelhouse.

SI

[Atocep]

I do think it's concerning that Pence refused to soften Trump's refusal to accept the election results.

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I do think it's concerning that Pence refused to soften Trump's refusal to accept the election results.

At this point, that’s likely all they have left.

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Seemed like a safe debate for both of them. At this point in the campaign, a draw helps Biden/Harris as they're just running out the clock. I think this also let people feel comfortable that if something happens to Biden, they're ok with Harris. Pence needed to do something to shake up the race and that's not really in his wheelhouse.

SI

Yup! Totally agree. It's basically Biden's and Harris' to lose at this point, in my opinion. Hopefully they don't have Norv Turner working on their campaign. Pence just seems like a wet sock really and trump really hasn't given him much to work with, especially since so many things are very easily refutable.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Your point?

Point is, I'm guessing you think that racism and sexism don't exist, are overplayed, or have been "solved" because we passed one law that one time and you don't have to deal with it on literally an every day basis so that's good enough for you to write it off.

[sterlingice]

The fly is going to be the story that lasts longer than anything, isn't it?

(as long as someone doesn't come down with COVID)

SI

[Edward64]

FWIW changed from CNN post-debate analysis to Bloomberg after the overused "stunning" comment. CNN should trademark the term if they can since they use it over and over again.

Bloomberg post-debate analysis was much better.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by JediKooter

Yup! Totally agree. It's basically Biden's and Harris' to lose at this point, in my opinion. Hopefully they don't have Norv Turner working on their campaign. Pence just seems like a wet sock really and trump really hasn't given him much to work with, especially since so many things are very easily refutable.

Just told my wife came across as them knowing they are a huge favorite and just don't screw it up

[thesloppy]

In retrospect, I thought Pence was going to get clobbered because he had to face immediate covid questions, but in actuality, that probably worked to his benefit.

On the other hand, for a campaign almost entirely focused on 'optics' of strength, having a fly land on a old mummy with pinkeye probably isn't a win.