FOFC Diplomacy

[Radii]

It was interesting to see France and England obviously working together but at the same time bouncing each other in the English Channel.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Radii

It was interesting to see France and England obviously working together but at the same time bouncing each other in the English Channel.

Because neither of us trusted the other *that* much.

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

To some degree, my allegiances were up in the air. What tipped the scales in favor of the direction I've chosen was the decision to bounce Russia in Sweden, combined with England getting two builds in '01. An F/G against a 5-center England holds very little hope for advancing when germany has to deal with a fight with Russia. I'm usually more of a pragmatist than anything else.

Actually, that can work very well. England could have been stopped from getting 5 builds had you not suggested the Burgundy bump. I had been planning going to Ruhr, still should have done it in hindsight.

Germany could have survived a fight with Russia, I was pondering moving to the Baltic, and even had I not moved there, I was still in a position to fend off Russia. Germany was not in bad shape until everyone moved in. Russia is the big enemy of Germany and England. England could have VERY easily moved to St. Pete, and had they done so, Russia would have been declawed. England SHOULD have made the move anyway seeing the Turkey and Russia cooperation.

As I said before, I should have volunteered for one of the side powers, not a central power. Oh well.

[TargetPractice6]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Actually, that can work very well. England could have been stopped from getting 5 builds had you not suggested the Burgundy bump. I had been planning going to Ruhr, still should have done it in hindsight.

Germany could have survived a fight with Russia, I was pondering moving to the Baltic, and even had I not moved there, I was still in a position to fend off Russia. Germany was not in bad shape until everyone moved in. Russia is the big enemy of Germany and England. England could have VERY easily moved to St. Pete, and had they done so, Russia would have been declawed. England SHOULD have made the move anyway seeing the Turkey and Russia cooperation.

As I said before, I should have volunteered for one of the side powers, not a central power. Oh well.

I told you I had no intention of attacking Germany, and I wouldn't have had you not messed things up in Sweden. If you don't want to work with anybody then nobody is going to work with you.

[Radii]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Because neither of us trusted the other *that* much.

I assumed that, and I've seen that strategy used often before where england/france agree just to bounce each other there for some time. It does make life easier for some time.

[Radii]

Spring 1902 Retreat

Germany has pulled its dislodged army back into Kiel.


I will update the game map tomorrow morning.

Fall 1902 orders are due Tuesday at 3pm.

[Alf]

eh eh, Warhammer Diplomacy skills didn't seem to pan out based on other Nations comments here

[Radii]

HTML is updated w/ the retreat turn.

http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html

[Radii]

We are slightly delayed this turn, hopefully we will have all orders in tonight, though there is a chance we will delay until tomorrow on this one.

[Radii]

All orders are now in and Fall 1902 will hopefully run at 9am tomorrow morning.

[Radii]

Fall 1902 Movement

--ENGLISH ARMY CONVOY FROM BELGIUM LANDS IN DENMARK. RUSSIAN SUPPORT CRUSHES GERMAN FLEET, GERMANS RETREAT
--FRENCH OCCUPY BELGIUM AS ENGLISH LEAVE
--FRANCE, ITALY, AUSTRIA PRESS NORTHWARD
--STANDOFF CONTINUES IN BALKANS


Current Game Map: http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html


We have one retreat. Germany loses a supply center and must retreat from Denmark. German fleet may retreat to Baltic Sea, Kiel, or Skagerrak, or may disband. If it retreats Germany will have to choose a unit to disband in the build phase.

France and Russia each gain one supply center. England, Italy, Austria/Hungary, and Turkey hold steady with no gains or losses.

[Radii]

Here is the list of all moves:

Austria: Fleet Albania → Greece (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Galicia
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Albania → Greece
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Serbia
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia

England: Army Belgium → Denmark via convoy
England: Fleet Edinburgh SUPPORT Fleet North Sea
England: Fleet London → English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet North Sea CONVOY Army Belgium → Denmark
England: Fleet Norway SUPPORT Fleet North Sea

France: Fleet Brest → English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Belgium
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Irish Sea
France: Army Ruhr → Belgium
France: Army Spain → Gascony

Germany: Fleet Denmark SUPPORT Fleet Helgoland Bight (*cut, dislodged*)
Germany: Fleet Helgoland Bight SUPPORT Army Holland
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Kiel → Ruhr
Germany: Army Kiel → Ruhr
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Kiel → Ruhr (*cut*)

Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Eastern Mediterranean (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)
Italy: Army Tunis HOLD
Italy: Army Tyrolia → Bohemia

Russia: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Russia: Army Rumania HOLD
Russia: Army Silesia → Munich (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Sweden SUPPORT English Army Belgium → Denmark
Russia: Army Warsaw → Silesia (*bounce*)

Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Greece (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria (*bounce*)
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna → Eastern Mediterranean (*bounce*)

[Warhammer]

Originally Posted by Alf

eh eh, Warhammer Diplomacy skills didn't seem to pan out based on other Nations comments here

Yeah, I'm not going to say too much, but I cannot believe the lack of communication going on in this game. Regardless of whether or not you are going to work with someone, you should still talk in Diplomacy. It's just not happening in this game.

I am pretty much dead with no hope of surviving at this point. I am just absolutely positively amazed at how SkyDog is playing the board. I would have loved to have taken him out early, but no one was willing to talk. Just amazing.

[Radii]

The german fleet in Denmark has disbanded.

Build orders are up next, they are due Thursday 3pm. I am out of town Friday-Sunday and one of our players is also out of town this weekend, so our deadline for Spring 1903 movement is going to be next Tuesday at 3pm.


End of 1902 Supply Center count
Austria: 5
England: 5
France: 6
Germany: 4
Italy: 4
Russia: 6
Turkey: 4

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Because neither of us trusted the other *that* much.

Wonder why.

[Warhammer]

Told you he was playing everyone! Pointed out his moves last season, but did anyone listen to Crazy Willie in Berlin? Nooooooo!

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Yeah, I'm not going to say too much, but I cannot believe the lack of communication going on in this game. Regardless of whether or not you are going to work with someone, you should still talk in Diplomacy. It's just not happening in this game.

I am pretty much dead with no hope of surviving at this point. I am just absolutely positively amazed at how SkyDog is playing the board. I would have loved to have taken him out early, but no one was willing to talk. Just amazing.

Yep, that's also what killed the first FOFC Diplo attempt. Lack of communication.

[Radii]

Website is updated: http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html

Builds were:

France: BUILD Fleet Marseilles
Russia: BUILD Army Sevastopol



Spring 1903 orders are due Tuesday at 3pm.

[Tekneek]

It wouldn't be any fun if everyone was quiet. The beauty of the game is when you and an ally are about to eliminate a power, but that weakened power keeps talking to you until they finally convince you to stab your ally. I really love those moments. That is when you find out who the real players are.

[Radii]

a quick note... this has been delayed until Thursday at 3pm at the request of a number of the players. I would always rather see a delay than see people send in orders w/o finishing negotiations, or some country not have any orders at all.

[Radii]

all orders are in and I am working on this now.

[Radii]

Spring 1903 Movement


--GERMANY TAKES BELGIUM, FRENCH FORCED TO RETREAT
--FRENCH NAVY LANDS ON ENGLISH MAINLAND, BUT FOR HOW LONG?
--AUSTRAIN FLEET SECURES GREECE
--RUSSIA PRESENTS STRONG DEFENSE AGAINST AUSTRIAN/ITALIAN ALLIANCE


A lot of standoffs this turn, espicially in the southeastern portion of the map, Austria, Turkey, Italy, and Russia is about to get extremely interesting, while England/France/Germany and possibly Russia started to get interesting in the last couple of turns and the positioning and conflict in the western part of the map is continuing to ramp up.

Game Map: http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html


We have one retreat, France must retreat to Picardy or disband. I will process that order as soon as I receive it.

Fall 1903 Orders will be due Tuesday at 3pm.

[Radii]

All Spring Orders are listed here:

fofc (LOCAL) Spring 1903 Movement (9/8/05 10:39 AM)

Austria: Fleet Albania -> Greece
Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Italian Army Bohemia -> Galicia
Austria: Army Galicia -> Ukraine (*bounce*)
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Fleet Albania -> Greece
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Serbia

England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Fleet Edinburgh -> Clyde
England: Fleet London -> Wales
England: Fleet North Sea -> English Channel (*bounce*)
England: Fleet Norway -> North Sea (*bounce*)

France: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Burgundy -> Ruhr (*dislodged*)
France: Fleet Brest -> English Channel (*bounce*)
France: Army Burgundy -> Ruhr
France: Army Gascony -> Paris
France: Fleet Irish Sea -> Liverpool
France: Fleet Marseilles -> Spain (south coast)

Germany: Fleet Helgoland Bight -> Kiel
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Ruhr -> Belgium
Germany: Army Munich -> Burgundy
Germany: Army Ruhr -> Belgium

Italy: Army Bohemia -> Galicia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea SUPPORT Austrian Fleet Albania -> Greece
Italy: Fleet Naples -> Tyrrhenian Sea
Italy: Army Tunis HOLD

Russia: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Russia: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Sevastopol -> Ukraine
Russia: Army Sevastopol -> Ukraine
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Warsaw -> Galicia
Russia: Fleet Sweden -> Baltic Sea
Russia: Army Warsaw -> Galicia (*bounce*)

Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Smyrna -> Eastern Mediterranean
Turkey: Army Bulgaria HOLD
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Smyrna -> Eastern Mediterranean

Centers

Austria: 5
England: 5
France: 6
Germany: 4
Italy: 4
Russia: 6
Turkey: 4

[Radii]

France has retreated to Picardy. Our next turn will be Tuesday afternoon at 3pm.

Website is updated with the retreat and the board updated for the Fall moves:

http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html

[Radii]

I am working on Fall moves now.

[Radii]

FALL 1903

--TURKEY CONTROLS SOUTHEASTERN SEAS, DRIVES ITALY OUT OF IONIAN
--GERMANY HOLDS BELGIUM, GAINS STRENGTH DURING THE WINTER
--FRANCE VACATES LIVERPOOL
--RUSSIA STRENGHTENS DEFENSES, FORCES AUSTRIAN ARMY OUT OF GALACIA


Game Map is updated: http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html


FALL Retreat orders due next.

Austrian Army in Galacia will retreat to Vienna(if they chose to disband their only build option would be... an army in Vienna, so there is no point offering this option).

Italy, however, has a decision to make:

Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea can retreat to Adriatic Sea or Albania or Apulia or Naples

Or that fleet may disband, allowing Italy to build something else in the Winter if they choose.


Italy has until Thursday to make this decision, though sooner would be nice


After Italy's decision is made and announced, France will have to remove one unit, while Germany gets a build, which must be in Berlin, and may be either an army or a fleet.

[Radii]

All Fall moves:

Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Austria: Army Galicia → Rumania (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Fleet Greece HOLD
Austria: Army Serbia SUPPORT Army Galicia → Rumania
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Serbia

England: Fleet Clyde → Liverpool
England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Fleet North Sea → English Channel
England: Fleet Norway → North Sea
England: Fleet Wales SUPPORT Fleet Clyde → Liverpool

France: Fleet Brest → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
France: Fleet Liverpool → Irish Sea
France: Army Paris → Burgundy
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Belgium
France: Army Ruhr → Belgium (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Spain (south coast) → Marseilles

Germany: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland (*cut*)
Germany: Army Burgundy → Munich
Germany: Army Holland SUPPORT Army Belgium
Germany: Fleet Kiel → Berlin (*bounce*)

Italy: Army Bohemia → Silesia (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea → Aegean Sea (*bounce, dislodged*)
Italy: Army Tunis HOLD
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Ionian Sea (*bounce*)

Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea → Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Rumania
Russia: Army Rumania SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Galicia
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Fleet Baltic Sea → Berlin (*cut*)
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Warsaw → Galicia
Russia: Army Warsaw → Galicia

Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Russian Army Rumania
Turkey: Army Constantinople SUPPORT Army Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Eastern Mediterranean → Ionian Sea

[Ben E Lou]

Did I send my retreat in?

[Radii]

Oops, I never posted here on the retreat!

Italy chose to retreat to Naples, while Austria retreated to Vienna.


And then the build orders:

France disbands its unit in the Irish Sea
Germany builds an Army in Berlin


I will update the game map shortly. Spring orders for 1904 will be due Tuesday at 3pm.

[Radii]

http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html

The game map is updated to include the retreat and build orders.

[Radii]

SPRING 1904 MOVEMENT

--AUSTRIAN RADIO FAILURE ALLOWS TURKEY TO TAKE OVER GREECE, AUSTRIAN ARMY ROUTED
--FRENCH ARMY RECLAIMS BELGIUM FROM GERMANS, GERMAN UNIT DISLODGED
--FRENCH AND ENGLISH NAVIES MAKE CONCERTED PUSH TO THE SOUTH

This one is a pretty exciting turn. Austria unfortunately sent in a couple of invalid support orders, causing most of his moves to simply be holds(the 'radio failure' mentioned above). A couple of supply centers change hands in Greece and Belgium, while there is some major re-positioning that appears to be taking place by Italy, France and England. In order to progress, a couple of countries have now found it necessary to leave their back doors wide open to allies, the ultimate sign of trust.


Game Map is updated: http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html


NOTE: The first game map I put up I screwed up Germany's orders(if anyone happened to see that early on). If you click on the wrong place on the map when inputting orders you end up issuing a support order instead of a move. I had to roll that back and fix it. The map should now be correct.

[Radii]

All of the orders for this turn:

Austria: Army Budapest SUPPORT Army Vienna → Galicia
Austria: Fleet Greece HOLD (*destroyed*)
Austria: Army Serbia HOLD
Austria: Army Trieste HOLD
Austria: Army Vienna → Galicia (*bounce*)

England: Army Denmark HOLD
England: Fleet English Channel → Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Liverpool → North Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea SUPPORT Army Denmark
England: Fleet Wales → Irish Sea

France: Army Burgundy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Belgium
France: Fleet Marseilles → Gulf of Lyon
France: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean → Western Mediterranean
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Ruhr → Belgium
France: Army Ruhr → Belgium

Germany: Army Belgium SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr (*dislodged*)
Germany: Army Berlin SUPPORT Fleet Kiel
Germany: Army Holland → Ruhr
Germany: Fleet Kiel SUPPORT Army Berlin
Germany: Army Munich SUPPORT Army Holland → Ruhr

Italy: Army Bohemia → Tyrolia
Italy: Fleet Naples → Ionian Sea
Italy: Army Tunis → Tuscany via convoy
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea CONVOY Army Tunis → Tuscany

Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea HOLD
Russia: Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Galicia SUPPORT Fleet Black Sea → Rumania (*cut*)
Russia: Army Rumania → Serbia (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Silesia SUPPORT Army Galicia
Russia: Army Ukraine SUPPORT Army Galicia

Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea SUPPORT Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Bulgaria → Greece
Turkey: Army Constantinople → Bulgaria
Turkey: Fleet Ionian Sea → Albania

[Radii]

Germany has to retreat out of Belgium. They may either retreat to Holland or disband.

[Radii]

Germany has retreated to Holland and we are ready for Fall 1904 Movement to begin. These orders are due 3pm on Friday.

The game map has been updated with the retreat move:

http://www.angband.org/~radii/dip/fofc/index.html

[TargetPractice6]

And Austria cracks under the pressure of the mighty Russo-Turk force.

[PackerFanatic]

Looks like I am going to be the first to go...damn newbie...heh.

[Radii]

I'm not counting anyone out yet. It's hard to totally wipe someone out in this game.

[Radii]

All orders are in, I am working on this now. This is going to be a very very interesting turn in multiple places.

[Radii]

Fall 1904


--NATIONAL HOLIDAY DECLARED IN LONDON, ENGLISH CELEBRATE SPOILS OF WAR AS THEY TAKE HOLLAND, KIEL, AND PORTUGAL DURING THE FALL MONTHS
--GERMAN ARMY DECIMATED, LOSES FOOTHOLD IN HOLLAND AND KIEL TO ENGLISH
--ITALIANS LOSE FOOTHOLD IN SOUTHERN SEAS
--FRENCH GAIN EDGE IN MEDITERRANEAN BUT GIVES UP PORTUGAL
--RUSSIA GAINS STRENGTH, ADVANCING INTO SERBIA
--AUSTRIA/HUNGARY LOSES ALL PREVIOUS GAINS



Daaaaammmmmmnnnnnn...

Only Italy and Turkey stayed static this turn in terms of supply centers(this *turn*, not this year), everyone else either gained or lost something on this turn. Turkey does hold on to Greece to earn a build.

Austria and Germany have been severely beaten back and both appear to be on their last legs.

England had one of those incredible turns where everything went perfectly.

Angband is down at the moment it appears, I'll get the site up in an alternate location momentarily.

[Radii]

Austria: Army Budapest -> Galicia
Austria: Army Serbia -> Albania (*bounce, dislodged*)
Austria: Army Trieste SUPPORT Army Serbia -> Albania (*cut*)
Austria: Army Vienna SUPPORT Army Budapest -> Galicia

England: Army Denmark -> Kiel
England: Fleet Irish Sea -> Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet Mid-Atlantic Ocean -> Portugal
England: Fleet North Atlantic Ocean SUPPORT Fleet Irish Sea -> Mid-Atlantic Ocean
England: Fleet North Sea -> Holland

France: Army Belgium SUPPORT English Fleet North Sea -> Holland
France: Army Burgundy -> Munich (*bounce*)
France: Fleet Gulf of Lyon -> Tyrrhenian Sea
France: Army Picardy SUPPORT Army Belgium
France: Fleet Western Mediterranean SUPPORT Fleet Gulf of Lyon -> Tyrrhenian Sea

Germany: Army Berlin SUPPORT Fleet Kiel (*cut*)
Germany: Army Holland -> Belgium (*bounce, destroyed*)
Germany: Fleet Kiel SUPPORT Army Berlin (*cut, dislodged*)
Germany: Army Munich -> Burgundy (*bounce*)
Germany: Army Ruhr SUPPORT Army Holland -> Belgium

Italy: Fleet Ionian Sea -> Tunis
Italy: Army Tuscany -> Venice
Italy: Army Tyrolia -> Trieste (*bounce*)
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea SUPPORT Fleet Ionian Sea -> Tunis (*cut, dislodged*)

Russia: Fleet Baltic Sea SUPPORT English Army Denmark -> Kiel
Russia: Fleet Black Sea SUPPORT Army Ukraine -> Rumania
Russia: Army Galicia -> Budapest (*bounce, dislodged*)
Russia: Army Rumania -> Serbia
Russia: Army Silesia -> Berlin (*bounce*)
Russia: Army Ukraine -> Rumania

Turkey: Fleet Aegean Sea -> Ionian Sea
Turkey: Fleet Albania -> Trieste (*bounce*)
Turkey: Army Bulgaria SUPPORT Russian Army Rumania -> Serbia
Turkey: Army Greece SUPPORT Army Bulgaria

all orders listed here.

[Radii]

Temporarily, we will have the website here: http://fbcb-fofc.com/fofc/index.html


I'll update angband when it comes back up.

[Radii]

We have 4 retreats(!!!) that will be due on Monday. Remember that each may retreat or disband, and remember to consider your build orders in that decision:

Russia: Army Galicia can retreat to Bohemia or Ukraine or Warsaw
Germany: Fleet Kiel can retreat to Helgoland Bight
Austria: Army Serbia can retreat to Budapest
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea can retreat to Naples or Rome or Tuscany

[Radii]

Assuming everyone retreats instead of disbanding units, here is what builds everyone would have, and the total supply centers owned after 1904:


Austria: Removes 1 unit
England: Builds 3 units
Germany: Removes 2 units
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit

Centers

Austria: 3
England: 8
France: 5
Germany: 2
Italy: 4
Russia: 7
Turkey: 5

[TargetPractice6]

Wow, I'm impressed that England pulled off that move in Holland. Well done!

[Warhammer]

Actually it wasn't all that impressive, he knew what I was doing. Whether that was my fault or not, he has France by the balls and I think basically said, you help me, or you're out. I was offering to split France up with Paris and Marseilles for me, and the rest going to him in exchange for Denmark.

Can't say I blame him if SD signed on board with him. The thing that sucks, is right out of the box I was slammed by a three way, and there was nothing I could really do about it since Russia and England are so tight. That is what is really driving the game right now.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

That is what is really driving the game right now.

We both know you're going to pay me back when Telluride rolls all over the Gridlock on monday.

[Warhammer]

I wish that would happen, my luck in IHOF has been terrible this year!

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Warhammer

Actually it wasn't all that impressive, he knew what I was doing. Whether that was my fault or not, he has France by the balls and I think basically said, you help me, or you're out.

Yeah, but Portugal was NOT part of the deal.

[Celeval]

Originally Posted by SkyDog

Yeah, but Portugal was NOT part of the deal.

*cough*Liverpool*cough*

Fair's fair.

[Radii]

The following retreats have been processed:

Austria: Army Serbia → Budapest
Germany: Fleet Kiel DISBAND
Italy: Fleet Tyrrhenian Sea → Tuscany
Russia: Army Galicia → Ukraine

And the following builds are available:

Austria: Removes 1 unit
England: Builds 3 units
Germany: Removes 1 unit
Russia: Builds 1 unit
Turkey: Builds 1 unit


Build orders will be due tomorrow, then Spring 1905 orders Thursday.