Official 2020 College Basketball Thread - Page 4

rjolley · 03-10-2021, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I looked at Iowa's retired numbers and they havent retired Downtown Freddie Browns or John Johnsons numbers. They were prolific scorers who had great NBA careers.

EDIT: Or Don Nelsons for that matter.

Very interesting that they retired Armstrong's number but not Marble's.

tarcone · 03-11-2021, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rjolley

Very interesting that they retired Armstrong's number but not Marble's.

Yes, I agree. I found that interesting as well.

miami_fan · 03-11-2021, 09:54 AM

Will the committee be told to put the Dookies in the tournament?

Sources: Duke out of ACC tournament after positive COVID-19 result within program

Lathum · 03-11-2021, 09:56 AM

Duke has zero chance at the NCAA. They would have had to at least go to the title game. No chance now.

miami_fan · 03-11-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Duke has zero chance at the NCAA. They would have had to at least go to the title game. No chance now.

I just saw rules be adjusted in order to get the most eyeballs possible on the college football playoffs. Duke does not deserve to be in the tournament for basketball reasons. That is for sure. The number of people trying to figure out a way to adjust the rules to get them into the tournament, whether at the NCAA or CBS is greater than zero. That is also for sure.

Ksyrup · 03-11-2021, 02:01 PM

Duke has already announced that their season is over.

BYU 14 · 03-11-2021, 05:49 PM

This is just too much

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Under the new five-year deal, Detroit-based Rocket Mortgage will be the presenting sponsor of the famed men's basketball team which will now be known throughout the Breslin Center as, "MSU Spartans Presented by Rocket Mortgage."

JonInMiddleGA · 03-11-2021, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Duke has already announced that their season is over.

Their season was all but over when their HC started showing signs that his mental faculties were leaving him and that he had no desire to be doing his job.

I will say that I've rarely seen a team have a player quit mid-season and be improved so dramatically by the absence

tarcone · 03-12-2021, 06:02 AM

Watched the Iowa women play last night. Iowa has the leading scorer in the nation in Freshman Caitlin Clark who averaged 27.4 points a game, but more impressive, she averaged 7 assists a game as well.

cartman · 03-12-2021, 10:45 AM

Virginia is now out of the ACC tourney due to a positive COVID test

Lathum · 03-12-2021, 01:04 PM

KU now out of the Big 12 tournament. what a shitshow next weekend could be.

cartman · 03-12-2021, 01:14 PM

Evidently the NCAA protocol will be if a team has to drop out between Monday and the start of play, they will be replaced with a non-selected team, and that team will _go into the seed of the team removed_. So if a #1 seed has to drop, they will be replaced by the 69th team, as a #1 seed. Once play begins, as long a team has 5 healthy players, they are eligible to continue.

miked · 03-12-2021, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU 14

This is just too much

Maybe they can use that money to pay back all the victims of sexual abuse that they allowed on their watch.

Although this makes the amateur argument a little moot, does it not? Perhaps after a nice dunk, they can slap the chevy logo on your screen. "That dunk was brought to you by Chevy, check out the new Silverado!"

Ksyrup · 03-12-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Evidently the NCAA protocol will be if a team has to drop out between Monday and the start of play, they will be replaced with a non-selected team, and that team will _go into the seed of the team removed_. So if a #1 seed has to drop, they will be replaced by the 69th team, as a #1 seed. Once play begins, as long a team has 5 healthy players, they are eligible to continue.

There's really no other way to do it, but yeah, you just hope a high seed doesn't have to pull out.

Can you imagine if Duke or UK were actually in the last 4 in, and then Baylor or Gonzaga pulled out and were replaced by one of them?

JonInMiddleGA · 03-12-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Evidently the NCAA protocol will be if a team has to drop out between Monday and the start of play, they will be replaced with a non-selected team, and that team will _go into the seed of the team removed_. So if a #1 seed has to drop, they will be replaced by the 69th team, as a #1 seed. Once play begins, as long a team has 5 healthy players, they are eligible to continue.

Would they then repeat this to replace the NIT team that got moved up? Or does that end up being a walkover game for a low seed there?

Butter · 03-12-2021, 03:12 PM

Are there going to be replacement NIT teams?

cartman · 03-12-2021, 03:17 PM

They don't mention it here. Basically the 4 #1 NIT seeds are the first in line to take a NCAA Tourney slot if a team withdraws after Selection Sunday and before games begin:

2021 NCAA Tournament bracket contingencies | Sports | Basketball

Swaggs · 03-12-2021, 04:21 PM

How does this impact gambling? Going to be a lot of potential for chaos and shenanigans there, if news leaks prior to teams dropping out.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-12-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

How does this impact gambling? Going to be a lot of potential for chaos and shenanigans there, if news leaks prior to teams dropping out.

Wouldn't a game like that be declared no action (or whatever the term)?

edit to add: found this dealing with Duke's withdrawal from the conferencetournament

After Duke pulled out, the DraftKings, FanDuel and BetMGM sportsbooks announced they would refund all futures bets on the Blue Devils to win the ACC tournament. Chris Andrews, sportsbook director at the South Point Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, told a Twitter user Thursday that Duke’s departure means their ACC tournament futures bets would be graded as a loss.

Lathum · 03-12-2021, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

How does this impact gambling? Going to be a lot of potential for chaos and shenanigans there, if news leaks prior to teams dropping out.

It all depends on the books rules. If you bet the actual stand alone game it would be a void. If you made a future bet on them to win the conference tournament of NCAA tournament it is likely a loss.

Any books that refund a futures ticket on a bet like this would be doing so for marketing purposes only.

Brian Swartz · 03-13-2021, 04:45 PM

Michigan coming back down to earth now, three losses in their last five games isn't a fluke. It'll be curious to see which version of them shows up in the tournament.

miami_fan · 03-13-2021, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Will the committee be told to put the Dookies in the tournament?

Sources: Duke out of ACC tournament after positive COVID-19 result within program

Source -- Duke Blue Devils could play in NCAA men's hoops tournament if selected

tarcone · 03-13-2021, 07:42 PM

B1G refs are terrible. Iowa got mugged by Illinois, which is the usual happening. Illinois is really good, but Im not sure they survive tight reffing.

Lathum · 03-13-2021, 07:48 PM

Duke isn't getting in. They were 13-11, no good OOC wins, lost to MSU who stinks, best win was over UVA by 1 point. Other than being named Duke the resume isn't there.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2021, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Duke isn't getting in. They were 13-11, no good OOC wins, lost to MSU who stinks, best win was over UVA by 1 point. Other than being named Duke the resume isn't there.

fwiw, Lunardi had them as 5th team out as of this morning (i.e. pre-Saturday games)

Behind Col State, Memphis, Ole Miss, Boise
Ahead of Seton Hall, Xavier, St Johns

NCAA "NET" ranking had them 50th as of this morning (pre-Sat games)
That's ahead of Boise, Col State,Memphis, Ole Miss

Lathum · 03-13-2021, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

fwiw, Lunardi had them as 5th team out as of this morning (i.e. pre-Saturday games)

Behind Col State, Memphis, Ole Miss, Boise
Ahead of Seton Hall, Xavier, St Johns

NCAA "NET" ranking had them 50th as of this morning (pre-Sat games)
That's ahead of Boise, Col State,Memphis, Ole Miss

And Georgetown stole a bid today, Cinci may tomorrow.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-13-2021, 09:48 PM

I've been to three county fairs, two pig-stickins and a goat roping but I ain't seen much that's more unlikely than Georgia Tech winning the ACC basketball tournament.

But in a full fledged goat rodeo of a year, it almost makes sense.

JPhillips · 03-13-2021, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Michigan coming back down to earth now, three losses in their last five games isn't a fluke. It'll be curious to see which version of them shows up in the tournament.

Who knows. I thought OSU had fallen apart, but now they're making quite a run in the Big Ten tourny.

Brian Swartz · 03-13-2021, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Georgetown

And Georgetown stole a bid today, Cinci may tomorrow.

Saw an interview with Lunardi talking about Duke a couple of games back, and he basically said there were only a few teams between them and the field but they still weren't even really in the conversation and had to do a lot to get in. In essence the point was they were in a scrum of teams that hadn't distinguished themselves either. And then there are always those few surprises in the conference tournaments that bump teams that are 'just in' to 'just out' because now you have to make a spot for an extra school.

cartman · 03-13-2021, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

The Longhorns have lost all of their momentum due to various COVID stoppages. They've lost 4 of their last 6.

And they seem to have built the momentum back. They are 7-1 since I posted this, and won the Big 12 tourney.

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 07:08 AM

Really happy for Wayne Tinkle and Oregon state. That program was an absolute dumpster fire when he took over.

Edward64 · 03-14-2021, 08:50 AM

The #8 Hogs lost to LSU. Can't complain, the Hogs are doing well this year.

Swaggs · 03-14-2021, 05:10 PM

Clark Kellogg is one of those guys that has looked like he is in his early 40’s for the last 25 years.

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 05:15 PM

Man, Iowa got no help. They will have a tough second round game against whomever wins, then likely Kansas, then Gonzaga. Really tough road.

Edward64 · 03-14-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Man, Iowa got no help. They will have a tough second round game against whomever wins, then likely Kansas, then Gonzaga. Really tough road.

#3 Hogs vs #14 Colgate.

I like that matchup.

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

#3 Hogs vs #14 Colgate.

I like that matchup.

Lots of points.

Swaggs · 03-14-2021, 05:38 PM

Can’t believe WVU got a 3-seed.

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Can’t believe WVU got a 3-seed.

I was looking at their schedule the other day. No bad losses. A few things break their way and they could be a 5 loss team.

JPhillips · 03-14-2021, 05:56 PM

GO MOREHEAD!

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2021, 06:00 PM

On the one hand, I'm not even the slightest convinced that there's ANY team in the ACC this year that's particularly good.

On the other hand, I'm not sure what the committee was smoking.

GT finished with a better record than Clemson, finished ahead of Clemson in the ACC, beat Clemson head to head in the ACC tournament, won the conference tournament, AND GT was #38 in the new "NET" rankings that replaced RPI vs Clemson being #41.

Naturally, GT is a #9 seed ... and Clemson is a #7 seed.

Umm ....

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 06:05 PM

Not only is Ga Tech a 9 seed, but they play an 8 seed in UIC that a lot of metrics have a top 15-20 team.

tarcone · 03-14-2021, 06:10 PM

I was slightly disappointed in the region Iowa landed. I was hoping to get in with Baylor.

But a 2 seed is really exciting. I cant wait for this to begin. Lots of good 1st round games out there.

tarcone · 03-14-2021, 06:18 PM

Jas_lov · 03-14-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tarcone

I was slightly disappointed in the region Iowa landed. I was hoping to get in with Baylor.

But a 2 seed is really exciting. I cant wait for this to begin. Lots of good 1st round games out there.

From that list you posted Houston was the lowest ranked #2 seed so why aren't they in Gonzaga's bracket? Strange. No geography to worry about either.

miked · 03-14-2021, 06:42 PM

Rutgers with the first tourney bid in 30+ years (to make up for last year's cancellation).

JonInMiddleGA · 03-14-2021, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

From that list you posted Houston was the lowest ranked #2 seed so why aren't they in Gonzaga's bracket? Strange. No geography to worry about either.

Without getting toooooo deep into figuring it out, probably has something to do with the requirement to avoid breaking the first principle of the S-Curve: "Each of the top four teams selected from a conference shall be placed in different regions if they are seeded on the first four lines"

That meant they had to move Michigan around to avoid Illinois, and moving them around others had to move as well.

MizzouRah · 03-14-2021, 07:32 PM

Missouri is in a terrible spot, playing OU will be a good game but then Gonzaga if they move to the next round.

Ksyrup · 03-14-2021, 07:32 PM

Am I not understanding what I'm hearing correctly, or are the first 2 rounds not starting on Thursday as usual? So it's going to be Friday/Saturday and then Sunday/Monday? Do I have that right?

Thomkal · 03-14-2021, 07:33 PM

I think this year's tournament with all the COVID-19 chaos this season will be the craziest ever-most upsets, more "weaker" conferences having teams move on to deep in the tournament.

Lathum · 03-14-2021, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Am I not understanding what I'm hearing correctly, or are the first 2 rounds not starting on Thursday as usual? So it's going to be Friday/Saturday and then Sunday/Monday? Do I have that right?

Correct

03-11-2021, 09:54 AM	#153
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Will the committee be told to put the Dookies in the tournament? Sources: Duke out of ACC tournament after positive COVID-19 result within program __________________ "The blind soldier fought for me in this war. The least I can do now is fight for him. I have eyes. He hasn’t. I have a voice on the radio, he hasn’t. I was born a white man. And until a colored man is a full citizen, like me, I haven’t the leisure to enjoy the freedom that colored man risked his life to maintain for me. I don’t own what I have until he owns an equal share of it. Until somebody beats me and blinds me, I am in his debt."- Orson Welles August 11, 1946

03-11-2021, 02:01 PM	#156
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Duke has already announced that their season is over. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-12-2021, 06:02 AM	#159
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	Watched the Iowa women play last night. Iowa has the leading scorer in the nation in Freshman Caitlin Clark who averaged 27.4 points a game, but more impressive, she averaged 7 assists a game as well. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-12-2021, 10:45 AM	#160
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Virginia is now out of the ACC tourney due to a positive COVID test __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-12-2021, 01:14 PM	#162
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Evidently the NCAA protocol will be if a team has to drop out between Monday and the start of play, they will be replaced with a non-selected team, and that team will _go into the seed of the team removed_. So if a #1 seed has to drop, they will be replaced by the 69th team, as a #1 seed. Once play begins, as long a team has 5 healthy players, they are eligible to continue. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-11-2021, 09:56 AM	#154
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Duke has zero chance at the NCAA. They would have had to at least go to the title game. No chance now.

03-12-2021, 01:04 PM	#161
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	KU now out of the Big 12 tournament. what a shitshow next weekend could be.

03-12-2021, 03:12 PM	#166
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	Are there going to be replacement NIT teams? __________________ My listening habits

03-12-2021, 03:17 PM	#167
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	They don't mention it here. Basically the 4 #1 NIT seeds are the first in line to take a NCAA Tourney slot if a team withdraws after Selection Sunday and before games begin: 2021 NCAA Tournament bracket contingencies \| Sports \| Basketball __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-12-2021, 04:21 PM	#168
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	How does this impact gambling? Going to be a lot of potential for chaos and shenanigans there, if news leaks prior to teams dropping out. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-13-2021, 04:45 PM	#171
Brian Swartz Grizzled Veteran Join Date: May 2006	Michigan coming back down to earth now, three losses in their last five games isn't a fluke. It'll be curious to see which version of them shows up in the tournament.

03-13-2021, 07:42 PM	#173
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	B1G refs are terrible. Iowa got mugged by Illinois, which is the usual happening. Illinois is really good, but Im not sure they survive tight reffing. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-13-2021, 07:48 PM	#174
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Duke isn't getting in. They were 13-11, no good OOC wins, lost to MSU who stinks, best win was over UVA by 1 point. Other than being named Duke the resume isn't there.

03-13-2021, 09:48 PM	#177
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	I've been to three county fairs, two pig-stickins and a goat roping but I ain't seen much that's more unlikely than Georgia Tech winning the ACC basketball tournament. But in a full fledged goat rodeo of a year, it almost makes sense. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-14-2021, 07:08 AM	#181
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Really happy for Wayne Tinkle and Oregon state. That program was an absolute dumpster fire when he took over.

03-14-2021, 08:50 AM	#182
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	The #8 Hogs lost to LSU. Can't complain, the Hogs are doing well this year.

03-14-2021, 05:10 PM	#183
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Clark Kellogg is one of those guys that has looked like he is in his early 40’s for the last 25 years. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-14-2021, 05:15 PM	#184
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Man, Iowa got no help. They will have a tough second round game against whomever wins, then likely Kansas, then Gonzaga. Really tough road.

03-14-2021, 05:38 PM	#187
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Can’t believe WVU got a 3-seed. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

03-14-2021, 05:56 PM	#189
JPhillips General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	GO MOREHEAD! __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-14-2021, 06:00 PM	#190
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	On the one hand, I'm not even the slightest convinced that there's ANY team in the ACC this year that's particularly good. On the other hand, I'm not sure what the committee was smoking. GT finished with a better record than Clemson, finished ahead of Clemson in the ACC, beat Clemson head to head in the ACC tournament, won the conference tournament, AND GT was #38 in the new "NET" rankings that replaced RPI vs Clemson being #41. Naturally, GT is a #9 seed ... and Clemson is a #7 seed. Umm .... __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

03-14-2021, 06:05 PM	#191
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Not only is Ga Tech a 9 seed, but they play an 8 seed in UIC that a lot of metrics have a top 15-20 team.

03-14-2021, 06:10 PM	#192
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	I was slightly disappointed in the region Iowa landed. I was hoping to get in with Baylor. But a 2 seed is really exciting. I cant wait for this to begin. Lots of good 1st round games out there. __________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-14-2021, 06:18 PM	#193
tarcone Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pacific	__________________ Excuses are for wusses- Spencer Lee Punting is Winning- Tory Taylor The word is Fight! Fight! Fight! For Iowa FOFC 30 Dollar Challenge Champion-OOTP '15

03-14-2021, 06:42 PM	#195
miked College Starter Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Dirty	Rutgers with the first tourney bid in 30+ years (to make up for last year's cancellation). __________________ Commish of the United Baseball League (OOTP 6.5)

03-14-2021, 07:32 PM	#197
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Troy, Mo	Missouri is in a terrible spot, playing OU will be a good game but then Gonzaga if they move to the next round.

03-14-2021, 07:32 PM	#198
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Am I not understanding what I'm hearing correctly, or are the first 2 rounds not starting on Thursday as usual? So it's going to be Friday/Saturday and then Sunday/Monday? Do I have that right? __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

03-14-2021, 07:33 PM	#199
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	I think this year's tournament with all the COVID-19 chaos this season will be the craziest ever-most upsets, more "weaker" conferences having teams move on to deep in the tournament. __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

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