Werewolf LXXV - Rise of the Great Old Ones -Students Win!!!!

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

If my random vote for day 1 is counted as being thrown away, so should anyone who voted for McCollins

I would consider a "throw away" vote as someone who puts a vote on someone that isn't a part of the run off at the time of the vote. On day 1, throw aways aren't really that meaningful, but later on that type of information might become valuable. For instance, if a wolf was close to being lynched and you had a throw away vote that didn't even try to save them it might be considered by some as a slight nod to being ok.. On the otherhand if it was a run off of villagers, usually wolves are more than happy to either throw away a vote, or just jump in the middle somewhere on any of the choices so it doesn't mean as much.

I just was keeping note of what type of "voting patterns" people have had thus far is all. It is tough to have a voting history by day 2, especially without knowing what all happened on day 1... However it seems right now alot more people are interested in voting to save Eaglefan than to try to get to the bottom of day 1's votes. I guess everyone other than me already knows enough from day 1 to look elsewhere.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

4) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557) JetsIn06 (561)
4) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Eaglefan (571), Render (588)
4) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Pass (560), Chief Rum(574), LSG (595)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)
1) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523) Racer (579)

[Telle]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Only if we are talking about probability alone. That is only one piece of the picture though.. The other piece is what do you learn from the info?

Lets say PurdueBrad is lynched and ends up being a villager.. what do we learn? Ok.. well maybe Mccollins or EagleFan or both are wolves.. so we then lynch one of them.. or do we go after both and spend three days on what might be just three villagers.. if PurdueBrad is a wolf, what do we learn about the others? Well not much about mccollins or Eaglefan as of yet.. we feel a bit better about Render, but thats it..
...

Alan, do you realize you're been pushing all day two what you were afraid of day one? You think everyone should vote for one of the two vote leaders from day one, but this could just end up having us running in circles.

[Alan T]

This is what I have as current voting count on the list I've been keeping up to date.

4) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557), Jetsin06 (581)
4) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Eaglefan (571), Render (588)
4) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Passacaglia (560), Chief RUm (574), Lonestargirl (595)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
2) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523), Racer (579)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So am I the only person who voted for EF/PB on D1/D2, but flipped between candidates? Just curious how that fits on the matrix you are compiling.

Also, does anyone have an updated vote count?

You mean, are you the only one who voted in the rundown and then is moving to someone in that same group to try to learn something? I don't think so. That's what I was aiming to do before clap started to build me up to save EF. Then I switched to clap. I may even switch back to EF. If they're in cahoots, one is as good as the other.

[hoopsguy]

OK, looks like a three way tie with 4 - Eagle, Chief, Clap.

I really think PB is more likely than Eagle to be a wolf from D1. I don't have terribly strong feelings on the other two players so far.

If I move my vote from PB then he drops to one, and there is little chance he'll pick up the votes he needs to be the lynch candidate. So I'm sticking where I'm at and will accept any questioning of it that arises later in the game.

Off to mow.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So am I the only person who voted for EF/PB on D1/D2, but flipped between candidates? Just curious how that fits on the matrix you are compiling.

Also, does anyone have an updated vote count?

Yes in either scenerio, you are the only person who voted for EF on day 1, and then voted for either PB or Claphamsa today.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

This is what I have as current voting count on the list I've been keeping up to date.

4) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557), Jetsin06 (581)
4) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Eaglefan (571), Render (588)
4) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Passacaglia (560), Chief RUm (574), Lonestargirl (595)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
2) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523), Racer (579)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)

Yours is right, mine is wrong, I forgot to change PB to 2

[hoopsguy]

Chief, I meant voted for one of them on D1 and the other on D2.

[Telle]

I'm not liking clap's play, and I just have a gut feeling that going after PurdueBrad or EagleFan is a waste of time.

VOTE CLAPHASMA

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, looks like a three way tie with 4 - Eagle, Chief, Clap.

I really think PB is more likely than Eagle to be a wolf from D1. I don't have terribly strong feelings on the other two players so far.

If I move my vote from PB then he drops to one, and there is little chance he'll pick up the votes he needs to be the lynch candidate. So I'm sticking where I'm at and will accept any questioning of it that arises later in the game.

Off to mow.

I understand sticking to your guns, but that is a very curious move, IMO. Especially if we later discover one of these candidates are a wolf.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chief, I meant voted for one of them on D1 and the other on D2.

Oh, well, in that case, that is what I aimed to do. I voted for PB Day 1, and I voted for EF for tonight's vote. As I said, only clap's weird play has turned me from that.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Telle

Alan, do you realize you're been pushing all day two what you were afraid of day one? You think everyone should vote for one of the two vote leaders from day one, but this could just end up having us running in circles.

I don't know that is a fear of mine as much as just a common occurance is all. But it is often necessary.. You plug along in a WW game until you are given some kind of information. That information might come from a role reveal, or from a lucky lynch of a wolf. Right now we haven't received any of that information so the most logical path is the one to try to understand better what occured in the only day of voting history that we have up until now.

[Alan T]

Stepping away a bit for dinner. I don't know if I'll be back before lynch.

[LoneStarGirl]

Hoop, you are the only one out of the 5 that have 'throw away' votes online right now. why are you not putting your horse in the race? Why are you so stuck on PB?

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Stepping away a bit for dinner. I don't know if I'll be back before lynch.

I thought lynch came before dinner.

Breakfast, lynch then dinner. Yes, that's right.

[Chief Rum]

I have a bde feeling about another three-way tie. This whole situation is ripe for manipulation.

[Chief Rum]

bde=bad

[LoneStarGirl]

I dont think there is a tie anymore, didn't telle put it up for Claps?

[Mrs. Schmidty]

5) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Passacaglia (560), Chief RUm (574), Lonestargirl (595), Telle (610)
4) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557), Jetsin06 (581)
4) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Eaglefan (571), Render (588)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
2) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523), Racer (579)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)

[Telle]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I dont think there is a tie anymore, didn't telle put it up for Claps?

Yep, he's now in the lead by one. But with just under a half hour to go, there's plenty of time for votes to move around.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Alan T

I would consider a "throw away" vote as someone who puts a vote on someone that isn't a part of the run off at the time of the vote. On day 1, throw aways aren't really that meaningful, but later on that type of information might become valuable. For instance, if a wolf was close to being lynched and you had a throw away vote that didn't even try to save them it might be considered by some as a slight nod to being ok.. On the otherhand if it was a run off of villagers, usually wolves are more than happy to either throw away a vote, or just jump in the middle somewhere on any of the choices so it doesn't mean as much.

I just was keeping note of what type of "voting patterns" people have had thus far is all. It is tough to have a voting history by day 2, especially without knowing what all happened on day 1... However it seems right now alot more people are interested in voting to save Eaglefan than to try to get to the bottom of day 1's votes. I guess everyone other than me already knows enough from day 1 to look elsewhere.

Thanks for the clarification Alan, I get it now

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Yep, he's now in the lead by one. But with just under a half hour to go, there's plenty of time for votes to move around.

Exactly. One vote leads with two candidates right behind does not for a light and easy situation make. Especially with how we're prone to jump around at the end.

[Telle]

Hrrrmmm... the fact that there hasn't been vote movement thus far does make me kinda nervous..

[Mrs. Schmidty]

I have a feeling the voting is going to be boring today with it being Father's Day and all. Dinner times might be a little more set and such.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Telle

Hrrrmmm... the fact that there hasn't been vote movement thus far does make me kinda nervous..

My guess is those who wish to manipulate the vote are waiting until the last minute. Do it too soon, and others might be able to step in and stop them.

[LoneStarGirl]

Well since there are four of us in here with 15 minutes left, I really dont think there will be any late movement

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Well since there are four of us in here with 15 minutes left, I really dont think there will be any late movement

Only one vote needs to change, though. Guess we'll see.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

Well since there are four of us in here with 15 minutes left, I really dont think there will be any late movement

The masters getting ready to finish up also may be having an impact.

[Racer]

Sorry, I mean the U.S. Open.

[EagleFan]

Almost missed the deadline. Was at a store and watching MLB:The Show being demoed and just standing there contemplating the wife's reaction if I came home with a PS3 and a game (just for that one game). Good judgement got the best of me but it was a close battle.

Of course.... then I get home and she says "you could have gotten it"

I think I know what I'll be doing tomorrow!!!

[Schmidty]

I'm cooking dinner (ON FATHER'S DAY ), so I might be like 1/2 hour late or so with results. Please bear with me.

[Telle]

Racer, your vote isn't on one of the three vote leaders. You planning on keeping it where it is?

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Almost missed the deadline. Was at a store and watching MLB:The Show being demoed and just standing there contemplating the wife's reaction if I came home with a PS3 and a game (just for that one game). Good judgement got the best of me but it was a close battle.

Of course.... then I get home and she says "you could have gotten it"

I think I know what I'll be doing tomorrow!!!

Personally, I would have run out to the car the second after she said that.

[Racer]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Schmidty

3) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557)
3) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Eaglefan (571)
3) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Pass (560), Chief Rum(574)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)
1) Path12 - Racer (503)
1) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523)

Originally Posted by Telle

Racer, your vote isn't on one of the three vote leaders. You planning on keeping it where it is?

I will if there's movement. I'm seeing if anyone tries to save anyone.

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Personally, I would have run out to the car the second after she said that.

I think the store is open until 10, I have an hour left after the DL!!!

[EagleFan]

Originally Posted by Racer

I will if there's movement. I'm seeing if anyone tries to save anyone.

Just FYI, that vote count is old.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

That's an old tally you're looking at there...

[Telle]

claphasma's in the lead, with EagleFan and Chief Rum trailing by 1.

[EagleFan]

unvote CR

vote clap


Self preservation vote. It's like day one all over again. This is getting old...

[LoneStarGirl]

I have one minute until deadline

[Schmidty]

Deadline

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I have one minute until deadline

How much do the rest of us have?

[Schmidty]

K. It's going to be a bit.

I might not be so verbose this time because I'm so tired and I work tonight, but if there are any questions about the specifics, let me know.

[Schmidty]

Final votes

6) Claphamsa - Axxon (541), Passacaglia (560), Chief RUm (574), Lonestargirl (595), Telle (610), Eaglefan (640)
4) Eaglefan - Path12 (474), Henry296 (545), Alan T (557), Jetsin06 (581)
3) Chief Rum - Mrs.schmidty (536), claphamsa (543), Render (588)
2) Mrs.Schmidty - Kwhit (475), oliegirl (550)
2) PurdueBrad - hoopsguy (523), Racer (579)
1) Render - PurdueBrad (404)

[hoopsguy]

I'll say right now, without having seen results, that if I had made it back in time to move that I would have chosen Clap over Chief for today. I then would have been torn between my need to learn about D1 and my "good guy vibe" that I'm getting from EF - based on my impressions from D1 vote review and his posts.

Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst with this lynch.

[hoopsguy]

Dola - I'm not sure where I would have gone if I had to pick between Chief and EF, but I would have gone Clap in the event all three were equally viable options with my vote.

Re-reading my last post just didn't seem as clear as it was when I initially thought about this.

[Schmidty]

With the vicious and mob-like killing of mccolins yesterday, your blood and adrenaline is still pumping, clouding your sense of reason and remorse.

The same bickering and scheming goes on, as it did yesterday. This time, the lot of you (save a few who doubt it) seem a bit more sure that the person you believe is your in your grasp -Claphamsa. Without hesitancy, you jump the screaming, horrified young man, and rip him to shreds.

After the blood-lust lulls to a simple numb fury, you begin searching him. The only things you find other than gore, are a pocket protector, an expensive calculator watch, some poems that it appears he never got a chance to send to his apparent girlfriend, and few a advanced calculus books.

Claphamsa was a simple Mathematics Major.

[hoopsguy]

Question for the people who didn't explore the PurdueBrad vs EagleFan option for today - did you think that both were villagers? That there was better information available with other candidates?

Other than the wolves or the seer, I'm not sure how someone could feel overwhelmingly convinced about the guilt/innocence of these guys but I would be interested in hearing impressions. I've made my impressions on PB/EF pretty clear today, I think.

[Mrs. Schmidty]

/Mourn Clap

I live! haha j/k Just egging on Olie and Kwhit