Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

[Lathum]

I think AlanT being killed clears Blade (pains me to say). The wolves obviously are taking the kill the veteran path. The fact that several people have pointed that out leads me to believe they left Blade alone tonight on purpose with the hope that we would lynche him under the assumption that he is still alive. For now I think Blade is clean. Time to look elsewhere.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by molson

Alan T. said the above to Path, about Schmidty, that he was 90% confident that Schmidty was "good". Which was bizarre, because Schimdity's hardly said anything. I figured that Alan T. might be a Mason, or a wolf pretending to be a Mason, especially when he broke out the same "circle of trust" terminology a few pages later when dicussing mason strategy. Maybe a wolf thought the same thing.

Unless anyone has a better theory, I'm thinking we maybe try to engineer a 3-way tie between suspicious vets, and give our masons another crack at 'em.

Molson, you just went up my radar, quite a bit...

[Lathum]

I am not a fan of all this talk of forcing a tie. It seems to me we are putting to much power in the masons hands and making it to easy for the wolves to hide among us.

[molson]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

well AlanT wasn't a mason, as cronin said that we would find out hidden roles upon death

I realize that now, I was just speculating as the wolves' motivation, and to why AlanT would be so sure about Schmidty (since it wasn't that he could see he was another mason)

[Lathum]

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am not a fan of all this talk of forcing a tie. It seems to me we are putting to much power in the masons hands and making it to easy for the wolves to hide among us.

Id love a tie, if im allowed to pick the participants. I now have 3 people id love to see on the block, but i doubt anyone is going to let me set that all up

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...

I rather doubt that actually. Im pretty sure i know what your thinking, but its not the path im going down right now. Im taking a far less obvious road, that high risk-high reward

[Lathum]

the problem I have with the tie scenerio is the wolves could sit back and see who the tie comes out to and unless it is one of them they can hide easily by voting for each other.

[Alan T]

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge?

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge?

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!

Sorry you died buddy...i trusted ya if it matters

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Saldana have room for me in the pre-day 3 lounge?

Good luck villagers, I'll be reading along and scoring at home!

come on in, plenty of couch space since NDP isnt here anymore.

dying early sucks

[molson]

Originally Posted by Lathum

ack, I think Blade and I are on the same page...

Well, since you're apparently not a fan of the tie, and I just promoted the merits of one, this isn't surprising.

But I'm not sold either way on the tie thing. I think a tie's merits depends on how many players are involved in the tie, and how the mechanics of mason tie breaking actually work, which I still don't know (ie. do all masons vote, or do only the masons invovled in the tie count - I've heard different players assume different methods)

[Blade6119]

VOTE ST.CRONIN

HE F**KING WITH MY MIND!!!!!! GAHHHHHHHHH


Note:the above is a joke

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.

[path12]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The mason had to be luriking. We can prety much rule out any people who were not online. The vote to break the tie came so quickly. Does it really matter if we know who the mason is?

Could have been a conditional tiebreak vote too, I'd imagine. Then the person wouldn't necessarily have to be around.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.

did she check out your "magic column"

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by molson

Well, since you're apparently not a fan of the tie, and I just promoted the merits of one, this isn't surprising.

But I'm not sold either way on the tie thing. I think a tie's merits depends on how many players are involved in the tie, and how the mechanics of mason tie breaking actually work, which I still don't know (ie. do all masons vote, or do only the masons invovled in the tie count - I've heard different players assume different methods)

STOP FUCKING TIES! It is strongly hurting our chances of victory people!

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

did she check out your "magic column"

outstanding work

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Sorry I was late guys. I had intended to be here at deadline, but as vets know, Tuesday night was date night and, er, ummm...I was held up by someone if you catch my innuendo.

I see that my suspicion of "kill the vets" has continued.

did you get lucky? or at least luckier than Alan T?

[Lathum]

* takes a bow*

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i hypothesize that the death of Alan may actually clear Grammaticus a bit...because Grammaticus pushed Alan to vote for him and force the tie, putting Grammaticus' head on the block, which G. would not want if he was indeed evil.

agree? disagree?

As you can see, I'm catching up. Yes, I'd agree with what you're saying here, though I don't find Grammaticus as suspicious as others here seem to.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by bulletsponge

did you get lucky? or at least luckier than Alan T?

I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing

Whats his name?

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I never kiss and tell, although it was certainly more than kissing

theres only 1 good reason to miss a WW vote, and luckily you have it

[Blade6119]

Ok, heres a pretty general questionoes anyone know what alan was on to?

[Lathum]

Anxiety walks into a bar and orders 7 shots of tequila and procedes to down them one after the other. The bartender says "whoa buddy, slow down, what are you celebrating anyway?" Anxiety says " my first blow job". The bartender say "well in that case lemme buy you another shot of tequila" Anxiety says " no thanks, if the first seven shots didn't get the taste out of my mouth the eigth won't do me any good"

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Ok, heres a pretty general questionoes anyone know what alan was on to?

i don't. but this is a perfect example of why i wish people would be more transparent with what they're on to. the worst that can happen is you spook a wolf and they change their behavior...if they stay constant you've got em pegged, if they change then we realize they're a wolf. it's like shining a spotlight on a robber...it freezes them.

for god's sakes people...if you're working on a theory, even if you think it's bunk...at least post it in the thread so there's some record of it.

otherwise what's the point of being on a team? we might as we all be going at it alone!

[bulletsponge]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Anxiety walks into a bar and orders 7 shots of tequila and procedes to down them one after the other. The bartender says "whoa buddy, slow down, what are you celebrating anyway?" Anxiety says " my first blow job". The bartender say "well in that case lemme buy you another shot of tequila" Anxiety says " no thanks, if the first seven shots didn't get the taste out of my mouth the eigth won't do me any good"

LOL

now we know why he wont kiss and tell!

[DaddyTorgo]

and if we're going at it alone, you might as well lynch me now, because that's not what I was thinking I was signing up for and I won't enjoy it or be of any help

[path12]

Blade is right, ties are not our friends. Remember, the masons just know who the masons are. They don't know who anyone else is. So if there is a tie with a wolf and a villager, they have no additional knowledge than any of the rest of us villagers would (if I understand the role correctly).

You are always far better off voting for who you think is a wolf and trying to get a consensus on that.

My current trust list:

Some trust -- GoldenEagle, Schmidty

Neutral/not sure -- anyone else not listed.

Suspicious -- molson, Greyroofoo, Fouts

The reason that Alan had me on his suspicion list was because of my vote for Schmidty. Schmidty's response corresponded to something that rang true for Alan and myself after I saw it, and after Alan's response to me I was trusting him also. I don't want to go much further than that, but I think the clue is easy to spot and is why GoldenEagle is on my list as probably good.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

and if we're going at it alone, you might as well lynch me now, because that's not what I was thinking I was signing up for and I won't enjoy it or be of any help

I'm not trying to be cryptic, but I would like to be able to clear some other people or at least not have them in the forefront, but if you spell it out too much sometimes a wolf can just jump in and go "oh yeah, me too!"

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

I'm not trying to be cryptic, but I would like to be able to clear some other people or at least not have them in the forefront, but if you spell it out too much sometimes a wolf can just jump in and go "oh yeah, me too!"

Please shut up now path, i fear you have already said far too much.

[DaddyTorgo]

fair enough...i understand that path.

*shrug*

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Please shut up now path, i fear you have already said far too much.

I figured it was out of the bag already. But I'm done now.

[path12]

Blade, any thoughts on my suspicion list?

[tanglewood]

Originally Posted by path12

I figured it was out of the bag already. But I'm done now.

I don't think it really matters at this point. Things such as that have little credibilit after the first few days pass.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

Blade, any thoughts on my suspicion list?

I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

[path12]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

The problem is that it's hard to tell if it's really suspicious or if it's just being new to the game. You want to help, but it's a fine line.....

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I hadnt noticed GE make any comments to earn the trust, so i will have to re-read. Before this, my group was schmidty, alan, and gramat...your in for the dead alan now.

As for distrust, people i noticed who didnt catch it included Daddytorgo, molson, farrah, and roo. Not sure which are wolves, but its a starting point. I made the question about what alan was after to try and bait a few wolves into trying to earn trust. Only torgo replied before you came out though, and he had no idea

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn). I'm totally transparent...like I said...lynch me if you want, but it won't do you any good, you'll just be losing a villager. A clueless villager, but one of your number none the less. And maybe when it thins out a bit I will start to notice things and be more useful. At least you know as clueless as I am, if the wolves take me it won't be a loss of someone who has a ton of right-on ideas about what's going on, so in that sense it would be a waste for them.

*shrug*

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by path12

The problem is that it's hard to tell if it's really suspicious or if it's just being new to the game. You want to help, but it's a fine line.....

GE is new, and i see the post that made you trust him. Its a fine line, but at the least we have 2 COTs now, the masons and our rag-tag group of villagers. Depending on how many masons are in the game, thats almost half the game we have cleared now. Its a start, not an end game scenario. But its something, which is better then what weve been lynching off of

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out.

*shrug*

I know. Isn't it great?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn). I'm totally transparent...like I said...lynch me if you want, but it won't do you any good, you'll just be losing a villager. A clueless villager, but one of your number none the less. And maybe when it thins out a bit I will start to notice things and be more useful. At least you know as clueless as I am, if the wolves take me it won't be a loss of someone who has a ton of right-on ideas about what's going on, so in that sense it would be a waste for them.

*shrug*

Didnt you enjoy how cronin likes to add flavor to all of his PM's by making then unncecceasrily long?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I know. Isn't it great?

riiight. yeah...it makes my head hurt, and i wasn't having the greatest of days anyway.

[path12]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

i'm not a wolf, although i realize saying that may be some sort of red-flag or whatever, may make you think i'm just trying to hide it. i'm just spinning in circles trying to figure this whole game out, and apparently I'm not born gifted at it (although hopefully I learn).

Well, I wouldn't expect you to come out and say you were a wolf.

No worries, for what it's worth it probably took me three or four games before I felt I had some kind of handle as to what was going on. And really, I've played a lot now, but like golf, that doesn't mean that I'm all that good at it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Didnt you enjoy how cronin likes to add flavor to all of his PM's by making then unncecceasrily long?

huh? I think mine was like...4 words long or something (and no i didn't check before i wrote that, so don't read into that).

Your mind-games are confusing me Blade. Although I suppose that is your intent.

[tanglewood]

Blade, you're trying to be too clever. I don't think going down this path any further really helps clear any more people.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Blade, you're trying to be too clever. I don't think going down this path any further really helps clear any more people.

His response was never going to clear him. It was either damn him or nothing...hoping i could get lucky, didnt, and am dropping it...oh well, worth a shot

[DaddyTorgo]

farrah has been mighty quiet

[tanglewood]

dola

What I mean is, the length of a pm is a completely seperate factor from its content. Schmidty used it well once as a wolf wouldn't have taken a chance on it, but now, especially after Cronin flagged it, I don't think it means much if people start claiming things.

[path12]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

I don't think going down this path

OT, I always get a chuckle out of this. Yes, my life is boring.