If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

It's an arbitration. I dont know the specifics here, but most arbitrations are binding and the way I read it was that CNN had some of the docs, not that they had set it up.

Originally Posted by CNN Article

My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell has been ordered to shell out $5 million to an expert who debunked his data related to the 2020 election, according to a decision by the arbitration panel obtained by CNN

Okay, I see what you're saying. But I still say it's an extremely poorly worded sentence.

[GrantDawg]

The way I read it is that God came down from On High, and declared Mike Lindell a moron.

[Lathum]

The Mike Lindell stuff is amazing, and should be a cautionary tale for anyone who sides with Trump. Dude was a legit crack addict living in his car. Hit the lotto with this stupid pillow and could have lived out his years selling shitty pillows to octogenarians laughing all the ay to the bank. Instead the dude is either bankrupt or close to it and at some point you have to figure he will face some legal issues.

Literally everything Trump touches dies. How have people not caught on to this?

[whomario]

EXCLUSIVE AUDIO: Trump coup attorney Cleta Mitchell wants to "combat" voting on college campuses, citing North Carolina and Wisconsin, and says that when Republicans win the state Senate in Virginia, they can eliminate 45 days of early voting and same day voter registration. pic.twitter.com/qXTNhrTfwF

— Lauren Windsor (@lawindsor) April 20, 2023

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...lege-students/

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by whomario

EXCLUSIVE AUDIO: Trump coup attorney Cleta Mitchell wants to "combat" voting on college campuses, citing North Carolina and Wisconsin, and says that when Republicans win the state Senate in Virginia, they can eliminate 45 days of early voting and same day voter registration. pic.twitter.com/qXTNhrTfwF

— Lauren Windsor (@lawindsor) April 20, 2023

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...lege-students/

Remove polling places on college campuses, no longer accept college ID as a valid form of identification, remove same day voter registration, and heavy restrictions to mail in voting are all things red states are doing to keep college kids from voting. The GOP has lost Gen Z so rather than try to do something to reach them it's easier to just keep them from away from the polls.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The Mike Lindell stuff is amazing, and should be a cautionary tale for anyone who sides with Trump. Dude was a legit crack addict living in his car. Hit the lotto with this stupid pillow and could have lived out his years selling shitty pillows to octogenarians laughing all the ay to the bank. Instead the dude is either bankrupt or close to it and at some point you have to figure he will face some legal issues.

Literally everything Trump touches dies. How have people not caught on to this?

Because every grifter thinks they're better than the next grifter


SI

[Ksyrup]

And the highs are sooooo high. And Lindell is addicted to highs.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

DeSantis is toast before even entering the race. The idea that he stands any chance against Trump is laughable. People can compare the two, but Trump at least has charisma and some political sense.


The guy is down 30-40% in polls of GOP voters already. Trump is smashing him for his votes on social security. He's terrified to speak about Trump which makes him look weak. And his big new political plan is to target one of the most popular brands in all of America. Just a complete dumbass.


Turning Florida into Alabama might work with a certain demographic but you aren't going to win in the Pennsylvania suburbs trying to close down Disney.

From what I've read he doesn't listen to advisors and thinks he always knows best and won't course correct because he always has to be right.

I think sitting out while Trump threw a few jabs was good. Let Trump get his cards on the table with how he's going to attack, the names he's going to call you, ect. However, at some point you have to fight back or their base of voters just writes you off as weak.

At this point the only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thinks Trump doesn't make it through the primary so he's hoping to just outlast him. His problem there is he's going so far with culture battles that he's starting to scare of GOP support.

[SirFozzie]

Kinda funny story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...wrong-contest/

Basically, the MyPillow guy started a contest to try to say "See, even for $5 million, they couldn't disprove the fact there was election fraud 1One!One!ONE!!!!"

Then, when it came time for people to look at the "Proof". he decided not to "Because then the government would discredit it, despite it's true"

So, the guy proved that what the mypillow guy presented was not evidence of election fraud.

Now, the contract for the "contest" indicated that disputes on whether someone had won the contest would be handled by binding arbitration, and even said "the courts have a very high burden to overturn a binding arbitration award". The guy refused to pay, the arbitrator said "You know what the terms of the contest say, it doesn't matter if you have super duper proof there was election fraud which no one else can see, the contest states that if the applicant can prove that the data that you present is not election fraud related, then they've won the contest and you need to pay them the $5 million"

He can attempt to overturn it, but again, they have a VERY high burden to overturn the arbitrator's award (and no, claiming "That evidence was incomplete. They need to jump through THIS hoop as well" is not going to fly). All they're realistically doing is adding $$$ to what they're going to owe the guy.

edit: "In their 23-page decision, the arbitrators said Zeidman proved that Lindell’s material “unequivocally did not reflect November 2020 election data.” They directed Lindell’s firm to pay Zeidman within 30 days." So, the data he DID present did not only NOT indicate 2020 election fraud, it wasn't even 2020 election data!

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

From what I've read he doesn't listen to advisors and thinks he always knows best and won't course correct because he always has to be right.

I think sitting out while Trump threw a few jabs was good. Let Trump get his cards on the table with how he's going to attack, the names he's going to call you, ect. However, at some point you have to fight back or their base of voters just writes you off as weak.

At this point the only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thinks Trump doesn't make it through the primary so he's hoping to just outlast him. His problem there is he's going so far with culture battles that he's starting to scare of GOP support.

I heard today a lot of doners are really unhappy with the 6 week ban he just signed off on. They aren't dopes. they understand these bands don't sit well with a significant portion of the population, then throw in his war on Disney and he starts to look pretty unelectable.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

edit: "In their 23-page decision, the arbitrators said Zeidman proved that Lindell’s material “unequivocally did not reflect November 2020 election data.” They directed Lindell’s firm to pay Zeidman within 30 days." So, the data he DID present did not only NOT indicate 2020 election fraud, it wasn't even 2020 election data!

Which means all of us idiots could be $5M richer...

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I heard today a lot of doners are really unhappy with the 6 week ban he just signed off on. They aren't dopes. they understand these bands don't sit well with a significant portion of the population, then throw in his war on Disney and he starts to look pretty unelectable.

He gives me Ted Cruz vibes. The more the spotlight is on him the more unlikeable he is and the more self absorbed he seems.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

From what I've read he doesn't listen to advisors and thinks he always knows best and won't course correct because he always has to be right.

I think sitting out while Trump threw a few jabs was good. Let Trump get his cards on the table with how he's going to attack, the names he's going to call you, ect. However, at some point you have to fight back or their base of voters just writes you off as weak.

At this point the only thing that makes sense is DeSantis thinks Trump doesn't make it through the primary so he's hoping to just outlast him. His problem there is he's going so far with culture battles that he's starting to scare of GOP support.

He's toast. There was a window in November when Trump was getting shit on because all his handpicked candidates lost where he could have made his move and rode the momentum. Instead he gave vague speeches about wokeness and decided to go after Disney.

Trump started hammering him and recovered from November. DeSantis poll numbers have cratered.

I would bet he doesn't even both running. Few more weeks of this collapse and it's clear his best bet will be trying again in 2028. Although by then, he might just be Bobby Jindal.

[Ghost Econ]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

He's toast. There was a window in November when Trump was getting shit on because all his handpicked candidates lost where he could have made his move and rode the momentum. Instead he gave vague speeches about wokeness and decided to go after Disney.

Trump started hammering him and recovered from November. DeSantis poll numbers have cratered.

I would bet he doesn't even both running. Few more weeks of this collapse and it's clear his best bet will be trying again in 2028. Although by then, he might just be Bobby Jindal.

Just saw a DeSantis ad here in South Carolina. Wasn't technically his ad, but clearly was a DeSantis ad.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Just saw a DeSantis ad here in South Carolina. Wasn't technically his ad, but clearly was a DeSantis ad.

Yeah, there is still some money behind him, I just don't know for how long. Remember that Fox/Murdoch was going to go all-in on DeSantis and ditch Trump. They've mostly backtracked on that after seeing how things are playing out.

I think the biggest issue for DeSantis is that if he runs, Trump will obliterate him. Just non-stop attacks. We saw what that did to Cruz, Rubio, etc. But I think he'll be even harsher with DeSantis. Tough to recover from that and still be a credible national voice in the party.

[Lathum]

I think the strategy is act like he is running, then bow out. Trump then flounders and next cycle DeSantis runs under the strategy of " I should have run last tome, look how it ended up"

[Ksyrup]

I saw something about a big donor pulling money from DeSantis and giving $1M to Youngkin.

[Flasch186]

The battle against Disney is exactly what the old guard republicans hate while the idiot magas love because you know Disney is where pedophilia starts…

So by picking that fight and doing and tripling down he trades big donor money (except Thiel and musk) for mama and papa and the money tucked in the box under their confederate flag.


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[Lathum]

Wow

Tucker Carlson leaves Fox News in wake of Dominion defamation settlement https://t.co/dIuYXFYn3y

— Julie Mason (@juliemason) April 24, 2023

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Wow

Tucker Carlson leaves Fox News in wake of Dominion defamation settlement https://t.co/dIuYXFYn3y

— Julie Mason (@juliemason) April 24, 2023

This sounds like a firing. Crazy.

[Thomkal]

wow indeed, guess his lies wouldn't make enough money for Murdoch now

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

wow indeed, guess his lies wouldn't make enough money for Murdoch now

Did the Dominion lawsuit hurt Fox's ratings at all?

[thesloppy]

Maybe he's running for president.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Maybe he's running for president.

He's too smart for that, IMO.

[albionmoonlight]

I guess OAN or some other right-of-Fox network will throw a ton of money at him.

He'll get a ton of money.
They will get instant credibility.

Not sure why Fox is letting the golden goose go right before some major carriage fee negotiations.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I guess OAN or some other right-of-Fox network will throw a ton of money at him.

He'll get a ton of money.
They will get instant credibility.

Not sure why Fox is letting the golden goose go right before some major carriage fee negotiations.

Pure speculation on my part.

Either they're suddenly worried about credibility, or they talked to Tucker about toning down the rhetoric now that fox has settled one suit and has another coming and he refused. He knows he can take his show somewhere else. That rhetoric is what makes him relevant in GOP circles and he knows he can cash in with another network.

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

The battle against Disney is exactly what the old guard republicans hate while the idiot magas love because you know Disney is where pedophilia starts…

So by picking that fight and doing and tripling down he trades big donor money (except Thiel and musk) for mama and papa and the money tucked in the box under their confederate flag.

I think pundits & big GOP donors thought DeSantis would be more like Trump without quite so much baggage, and didn't count on DeSantis himself really wanting to be like Trump, but more effective at being Trump.

[JPhillips]

There's at least one more lawsuit from Smartmatic, so if he wasn't willing to tone things down I can see the need for getting rid of him.

But it will hurt Fox. A section of the far-right is going to go full bore at them now.

[stevew]

Lemon fired too.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I guess OAN or some other right-of-Fox network will throw a ton of money at him.

He'll get a ton of money.
They will get instant credibility.

Not sure why Fox is letting the golden goose go right before some major carriage fee negotiations.

Yup, OAN and Newsmax will spend whatever they can to bring him over - though they can't have nearly the budget that Fox has.

Honestly, kindof shocked at this. It's not like Fox is in the business of admitting they're wrong and I'm pretty sure he's still bringing in the ratings. Maybe he wanted a bigger contract and they didn't think he was worth it and they have other guys on the bench they can replace him with for cheaper and make more profit.

SI

[JPhillips]

Both OAN and Newsmax look like college tv stations, though. This is definitely a hit for him, too. Nothing has the reach and money of Fox.

[SirFozzie]

OAN and Newsmax both have Dominion and Smartmatic lawsuits in the hundreds of millions of dollars of possible damage.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Did the Dominion lawsuit hurt Fox's ratings at all?

Probably not because they almost never talked about it or put it on their website.

[Lathum]

I think Fox realized he is a liability. I’m also wondering if they think this will help them in their smartmatic case. They can claim they are taking actions to improve their product.

My opinion is they just came to the conclusion he is more trouble than he is worth. I suspect he will either start a hugely successful podcast or sign a Joe Rogan like deal with Spotify.

[Lathum]

I wonder if advertisers were threatening to pull out of the network.

[albionmoonlight]

There were also probably some pretty angry and raw and intense meetings over the last few weeks re: Dominion lawsuit.

I wonder if some things were said that just couldn't be unsaid after it was all over.

[miked]

Well, he was barely named in the lawsuit. It was mostly Hannity and Ingraham. But he was pretty outspoken in his texts about thinking his listeners were all idiots that need to be played to.

[sterlingice]

Could this have been part of the agreement with Dominion?


SI

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by stevew

Lemon fired too.

He's past his prime.

[sterlingice]

Best I could find is that Tucker Carlson was paid about $40M per year. Sirius pays Howard Stern about $100M per year. Another potential home?


Also, we're to the point where Tucker Carlson is a much more toxic brand than Howard Stern, right?



SI

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by miked

Well, he was barely named in the lawsuit. It was mostly Hannity and Ingraham. But he was pretty outspoken in his texts about thinking his listeners were all idiots that need to be played to.

Judging from the Twitter reaction he is spot on.

[sterlingice]

Tucker Carlson producer caught in Dominion texts calling Trump election deniers ‘f***** terrorists’ | The Independent

I forgot - this wasn't him, it was one of his producers who texted: “This whole thing is surreal. Like negotiating with terrorists, but especially dumb ones. Cousin f****** types not saudi royalty.”

SI

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by stevew

Lemon fired too.

Didn't find out until his agent called him after his morning show. he's pissed nobody from management reached out to him to let him know. Maybe he and Tucker can have a podcast now where they reveal the behind the scenes dirt they each have about their networks

[Thomkal]

I think the Fox shareholders/board of directors had had enough with a potentialily more damaging money and brand wise against the other voting machine company. We know Murdoch was okay with the lies and disinformation if it brought him more money.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Judging from the Twitter reaction he is spot on.

Apparently Fox is just CNN without Tucker. Or at least that's what I'm reading.

Oh, and a Trump/Tucker ticket would make them rethink backing DeSantis.

[Atocep]

"I'm not a candidate, so we'll see if and when that changes," Gov. DeSantis, who is in Japan right now, says when asked about polls that show him falling behind Trump. pic.twitter.com/nDVeyBoVHN

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) April 24, 2023

Wtf is wrong with this guy.

Has anyone else's presidential aspirations died before he announced like this?

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Atocep

"I'm not a candidate, so we'll see if and when that changes," Gov. DeSantis, who is in Japan right now, says when asked about polls that show him falling behind Trump. pic.twitter.com/nDVeyBoVHN
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) April 24, 2023

Wtf is wrong with this guy.

Has anyone else's presidential aspirations died before he announced like this?

I dunno, if you polled people mid-2007, it was a lock to be Rudy Giuliani vs Hillary Clinton. However, I guess at least both of them made it to the primary before losing


SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Has anyone else's presidential aspirations died before he announced like this?

Honestly, it seems like it comes down to Trump (seemingly) staying in the race.

I was largely all-in on DeSantis in that two horse race since I believe Trump is the (R)s version of Hilary, a guaranteed loss no matter who the (D) run.

At this point I suspect I'll end up back voting for Trump someday purely for entertainment value (which is how I looked at my first November vote for him)

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Honestly, it seems like it comes down to Trump (seemingly) staying in the race.

I was largely all-in on DeSantis in that two horse race since I believe Trump is the (R)s version of Hilary, a guaranteed loss no matter who the (D) run.

At this point I suspect I'll end up back voting for Trump someday purely for entertainment value (which is how I looked at my first November vote for him)

I agree with Truml being Hillary at this point. He energizes the dems like no one else.

DeSantis looked strong before the national spotlight went on him. Now he seems corny and shallow as a candidate. One thing republican voters liked about Trump was he seemed like a guy you could have a beer with. DeSantis seems like the annoying guy no one wants to invite out.

[Swaggs]

I think the Tucker thing had to be related to the shareholders more than anything else. These 'performers,' at some point, have to be seen as a business liability beyond whatever benefit the bring.

I can't see this as a a good thing for Tucker whatsoever. Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly are still around (and maybe they somehow do make more money now, but I doubt it), but their status is no where near what it was 10-20 years ago.