NFL Week 14 thread

[DaddyTorgo]

Red Rover Red Rover...send Glover right over!

[DaddyTorgo]

PI

I kinda agree with Gruden that that is a pretty cheap call as it was...verging on uncatchable (maybe), no matter which side it is called for.

That being said, the rules are the rules and everyone knows them and has to play by the same ones.

[kingfc22]

PI my ass

[kingfc22]

Who flew in the Cardinals for tonight's game? Pats not messing around.

[DaddyTorgo]

Another 3-and-out? Yikes.

I like Houston. My grandparents live there. I like their story and all.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by kingfc22

Who flew in the Cardinals for tonight's game? Pats not messing around.

Hey my beloved Cardinals beat the Patriots this season!

[kingfc22]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Hey my beloved Cardinals beat the Patriots this season!

I know! The NFL is pretty wild at times.

[DaddyTorgo]

There was ZERO offensive PI on Hernandez on that call. That's disgraceful.

[Desnudo]

Where is Talib? Getting nervous. He totally changed their defensive capabilities.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Where is Talib? Getting nervous. He totally changed their defensive capabilities.

He didn't look that badly hurt, so yeah it's curious.

Dennard is playing really well though.

Offense needs to do something here - they've been shut down since the 3 TD drives.

[DaddyTorgo]

LMAO...and as I say that...TD to Stallworth!

[Desnudo]

Brady's never been great at the long sideline throws they've been there

Lol then they hit one!

[SirFozzie]

Wow. Just utterly unreal. They seem to play better during prime time games

[Desnudo]

What the hell is tarico rambling about

[Desnudo]

That was a real stupid justification for defensive PI, clearly wr pushed off

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Where is Talib? Getting nervous. He totally changed their defensive capabilities.

New England Patriots cornerback Aqib Talib suffered a hip injury late in the second quarter of Monday night's game against the Houston Texans and is questionable to return to the game, the team announced.

[DaddyTorgo]

can't you not advance the ball on a fumble on offense like that?

great play by woodhead until watt strips him (he shoulda been holding it with two hands...grrr)

[Desnudo]

Better to be lucky than good

[tucker rocky]

NE executed that play to perfection.

[tucker rocky]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

can't you not advance the ball on a fumble on offense like that?

great play by woodhead until watt strips him (he shoulda been holding it with two hands...grrr)

Ball was fumbled forward.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Ball was fumbled forward.

Right. And recovered outside of the endzone, so it's not dead at that point when recovered by an offensive player?

Clearly I don't know the rule I guess...lol

[DaddyTorgo]

Hell of consecutive stops on 2nd and 3rd and 1 there by the Pats. Gamers.

[Desnudo]

Waving the flag punting on 4th and 1

[cuervo72]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Ro...an_football%29

[DaddyTorgo]

Yates is in. This one is over.

[DaddyTorgo]

Gruden's had a chubby all night over the "SEC LINEBACKER CORPS OF THE PATRIOTS!!!!!!!"

Talk about tiring. It's like someone gave him that one fact and that's all he can think to say.

And that's the 2nd time at least he's talked about how Beli loves versatile DBs.

[Desnudo]

Especially since mayo went to usc

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

Especially since mayo went to usc

Mallet's in too.

[Desnudo]

Talib looking all right on the sideline

[Matthean]

Can we just fast forward to the inevitable NE vs. Denver AFC title game? I guess the good news is Houston has to actually play its last three games versus coasting against Indy in week 17 due to having home field advantage through out. You kind of have to wonder if Houston held back in case they meet during the playoffs. I just don't think a 11-1 team gets smoked 42-14 when they are interested regardless if they Pats are involved or not.

[Jas_lov]

It really comes down to Denver vs NE in the AFC and NYG, GB, and San Fran in the NFC. The #1 seeds in both conferences are going to be one and done. If GB goes to Atlanta in Round 2 it'll be 2010 all over again. Houston isn't beating Brady or Manning in the playoffs.

[jeff061]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Can we just fast forward to the inevitable NE vs. Denver AFC title game? I guess the good news is Houston has to actually play its last three games versus coasting against Indy in week 17 due to having home field advantage through out. You kind of have to wonder if Houston held back in case they meet during the playoffs. I just don't think a 11-1 team gets smoked 42-14 when they are interested regardless if they Pats are involved or not.

I don't think you hold back there. Even if you do, no way that results in an ass whooping. They had a bad day while Pats were damn near perfect. One is not as good as it looked and the other isn't as bad. I'm looking forward to the rematch.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Right. And recovered outside of the endzone, so it's not dead at that point when recovered by an offensive player?

Clearly I don't know the rule I guess...lol

Only the fumbling player can recover and advance it on 4th down or in the last 2 minutes. I think it's also illegal for an offensive player to intentionally bat it forward (which wasn't the case here), but I've never seen that called.

Originally Posted by jeff061

I don't think you hold back there. Even if you do, no way that results in an ass whooping. They had a bad day while Pats were damn near perfect. One is not as good as it looked and the other isn't as bad. I'm looking forward to the rematch.

We did get the 2 huge fumble luck plays (Lloyd TD and Hernandez recovery before the 1st TD), and had at least 1 TD drive extended due to a questionable call, so I agree the margin looks bigger than the difference between the teams, but the Pats weren't close to perfect... like Brady said they left a lot of points out there in the 2nd/3rd quarters.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

DT's Pet Peeve of the NFL: DB's who run interceptions out of the endzone back onto the field of play. 99 times out of 100 (at least) you're better off taking a knee.

Why the coaches can't get this through their heads. Grrrr.

I don't know any stats on it, but I don't think you do either (since I don't think you're right about it being better at least 99 times out of 100). Usually, offenses are pretty bad at tackling, so there's a good chance for a game-changing play there -- even if it's not necessarily the best option in terms of expected value, the reward probably outweighs the risk.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I don't know any stats on it, but I don't think you do either (since I don't think you're right about it being better at least 99 times out of 100). Usually, offenses are pretty bad at tackling, so there's a good chance for a game-changing play there -- even if it's not necessarily the best option in terms of expected value, the reward probably outweighs the risk.

I agree with DT when the player catches it in the back of the end zone or needs a second or two to get his momentum turned around, or goes to the ground and gets back up. I have no problem with McCourty's decision to run it out last night - he caught it basically at the goal line, and while his momentum was carrying him sideways he was at pretty close to full speed. (Plus, he's the primary Kick Returner, so that probably adds a little expected value.)

[Matthean]

Brandon Jacobs suspended by San Francisco 49ers for final 3 games - ESPN

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by BishopMVP

Only the fumbling player can recover and advance it on 4th down or in the last 2 minutes. I think it's also illegal for an offensive player to intentionally bat it forward (which wasn't the case here), but I've never seen that called.We did get the 2 huge fumble luck plays (Lloyd TD and Hernandez recovery before the 1st TD), and had at least 1 TD drive extended due to a questionable call, so I agree the margin looks bigger than the difference between the teams, but the Pats weren't close to perfect... like Brady said they left a lot of points out there in the 2nd/3rd quarters.

I think nearly everything bounce and timing of things went the Patriots way last night. They were also the much better team. Schaub threw 0 TDs. You won't win many games with that stat line.

[Logan]

Tagliabue has announced that all Bountygate-related discipline is being vacated.

[stevew]

Tags is, and was always, a bitch

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Logan

Tagliabue has announced that all Bountygate-related discipline is being vacated.

Huh? Come again???

[stevew]

Dola

I'm glad the whole mess is over.

[DaddyTorgo]

Paul Tagliabue affirmed the findings of Roger Goodell in the NFL's investigation of the New Orleans Saints' bounty program but vacated all discipline issued to the players who were punished, league spokesman Greg Aiello announced on Twitter.

Tagliabue, in ruling on the players' appeal, decided that Goodell's findings "could certainly justify the issuance of fines. However, this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints' organization."

[DaddyTorgo]

WTF does that even mean?? That's player-ass-kissing bullshit right there.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

WTF does that even mean?? That's player-ass-kissing bullshit right there.

Players have a union with teeth. Coaches don't.

[albionmoonlight]

dola:

What I mean is that the league wants this to go away. So they issued an opinion that will end the litigation by the only entity with the incentive/power/etc. to litigate.

[Masked]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

WTF does that even mean?? That's player-ass-kissing bullshit right there.

It means when the Patriots were caught with a pay-for-performance scheme, the NFL only fined the team $25,000 and there was no discipline for the players. (Same thing with the Packers). So the much harsher penalties on the Saints organization remains, the penalties on the players are forfeit.

[Logan]

The Packers incident was allegedly in 1996. When was the Pats?

There was clearly an effort to put a stop to this when the NFL sent around that memo to teams saying so during last season. I thought the Saints punishment was because they were still employing it (allegedly) after that.

[Masked]

Originally Posted by Logan

The Packers incident was allegedly in 1996. When was the Pats?

There was clearly an effort to put a stop to this when the NFL sent around that memo to teams saying so during last season. I thought the Saints punishment was because they were still employing it (allegedly) after that.

The Packers and Patriots incidents referenced in Tagliabue's report were in 2007 and 2008. The Saints players key violations were in 2009.

[Logan]

Ok...I saw something regarding what Reggie White was involved in back in 96.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Brandon Jacobs suspended by San Francisco 49ers for final 3 games - ESPN

Rashard Mendenhall suspended one game. Apparently after being informed he wouldn't dress again this past Sunday vs SD, he chose to not show up at the stadium.