Franchise Portfolio Draft: VOTE FOR THE WINNER!

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-10-2012, 11:28 AM

8 men. 8 categories. Who built a portfolio of the most prestigious teams in sports? You decide! (Prestige means different things to different people so this should be interesting)

The categories were:

1. MLB
2. NFL
3. NBA
4. NHL
5. International CLUB Football (soccer)
6. NCAA Football
7. NCAA Basketball
8. NCAA "Other"

WSUCougar

1.1 St. Louis Cardinals, MLB
2.8 UCLA Bruins, NCAA Basketball
3.1 Michigan Wolverines, NCAA Football
4.8 Chicago Bears, NFL
5.1 Tennessee Lady Vols, NCAA women's basketball
6.8 San Antonio Spurs, NBA
7.1 Edmonton Oilers, NHL
8.8 Juventus, International Club Football

Comey

1.2 Boston Celtics, NBA
2.7 Alabama Crimson Tide, NCAA Football
3.2 San Francisco 49ers, NFL
4.7 Chicago Cubs, MLB
5.2 University of Kansas, NCAA men's basketball
6.7 Toronto Maple Leafs, NHL
7.2 Inter Milan, International Club Football
8.7 Penn State Nittany Lions Women's Volleyball, NCAA Other

Grover

1.3 Real Madrid Club de Fútbol, International Club Football
2.6 Pittsburgh Steelers, NFL
3.3 Detroit Red Wings, NHL
4.6 San Francisco Giants, MLB
5.3 New York Knickerbockers, NBA
6.6 Ohio State University, NCAA Football
7.3 Oklahoma A&M/Oklahoma State, Wrestling (NCAA Other)
8.6 Louisville Cardinals, NCAA Basketball

spleen1015

1.4 New York Yankees, MLB
2.5 Kentucky Wildcats, NCAA Basketball
3.4 Liverpool Football Club, International Club Football
4.5 Iowa Hawkeyes Wrestling, NCAA Other
5.4 Boston Bruins - NHL
6.5 Grambling State University, NCAA Football
7.4 Oakland Raiders - NFL
8.5 Houston Rockets, NBA

britrock88

1.5 Minneapolis / Los Angeles Lakers, NBA
2.4 Montreal Canadiens, NHL
3.5 North Carolina Women's Soccer, NCAA Other
4.4 AC Milan, International Club Football
5.5 USC Trojans, NCAA Football
6.4 New England Patriots, NFL
7.5 UConn Huskies, NCAA Basketball
8.4 Cincinnati Reds, MLB

Bisbo

1.6 Dallas Cowboys, NFL
2.3 Los Angeles Dodgers, MLB
3.6 University of Connecticut Women's Basketball, NCAA Other
4.3 Duke Blue Devils, NCAA Basketball
5.6 Oklahoma Sooners, NCAA Football
6.3 Bayern Munich, International Club Soccer
7.6 NY Rangers, NHL
8.3 Detroit Pistons, NBA

NTO

1.7 Notre Dame, NCAA Football
2.2 Boston Red Sox, MLB
3.7 North Carolina Tarheels, NCAA Basketball
4.2 FC Barcelona, International Club Football
5.7 Syracuse Nationals/Philadelphia 76ers, NBA
6.2 New York Giants, NFL
7.7 Chicago Blackhawks, NHL
8.2 Texas Longhorn Baseball, NCAA Other

larrymcg421

1.8 Manchester United, International Club Football
2.1 Green Bay Packers, NFL
3.8 Chicago Bulls, NBA
4.1 Indiana Hoosiers, NCAA Basketball
5.8 Nebraska Cornhuskers, NCAA Football
6.1 Boston/Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves, MLB
7.8 Pittsburgh Penguins, NHL
8.1 Syracuse Men's Lacrosse, NCAA Other

Public poll. Multiple choice enabled. Try to keep votes to 3 or fewer

Young Drachma · 12-10-2012, 11:44 AM

I belatedly read that you could indeed pick more than one (yes, I realize it was multiple choice. Still..) and I only voted for one. So add +1 to britrock and Comey because they'd be my #2 and #3 respectively.

MIJB#19 · 12-10-2012, 12:01 PM

larrymcg421 saved his reach for ManUtd (the NY Knicks of soccer, of sorts) with the picks of the Bulls and Penguins to be 2nd best in my opinion. But I had to go with Grover's collection of Real Madrid, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings and the NY Knicks.

The rest of the lists were sort of 'meh' to me.

Abe Sargent · 12-10-2012, 12:23 PM

Grover has the best list.

Now, if someone had voted in their NCAA Other category for West Virginia University for rifel/marksmanship/gun category, then that would have gotten an auto-vote from me

Coffee Warlord · 12-10-2012, 12:37 PM

Larry's got this hands down in my opinion.

Suburban Rhythm · 12-10-2012, 01:36 PM

Plotting this out in Excel so I can look across the category and rank 1-8.

Finding the NCAAB is the hardest category for me to rank. I've got my clear bottom 3...then a mishmash.

I should clarify...hardest category that I have a clue about. Soccer I don't know a damn thing, and not sure how I'm going to grade that category.

MIJB#19 · 12-10-2012, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

I should clarify...hardest category that I have a clue about. Soccer I don't know a damn thing, and not sure how I'm going to grade that category.

Maybe these two links can help:
hxxp://www.clubworldrankings.com/100.htm
hxxp://www.forbes.com/soccer-valuations/list/

Logan · 12-10-2012, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suburban Rhythm

Plotting this out in Excel so I can look across the category and rank 1-8.

Finding the NCAAB is the hardest category for me to rank. I've got my clear bottom 3...then a mishmash.

I should clarify...hardest category that I have a clue about. Soccer I don't know a damn thing, and not sure how I'm going to grade that category.

I also put this into Excel and rated each category, lowest score wins.

larry - 27
Comey - 33
britrock - 33

WSU - 34
Bisbo - 35
Grover - 40
spleen - 42
NTO - 44

I definitely had trouble with soccer, and I'm guessing there could be some wild swings based on how you defined the intent of the draft. But a clear winner here.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-10-2012, 02:13 PM

yeah, i didn't know how to organize it. i figured just leave it in order so at a cursory glance the blue chips would be on top

Abe Sargent · 12-10-2012, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logan

I also put this into Excel and rated each category, lowest score wins.

larry - 27
Comey - 33
britrock - 33

WSU - 34
Bisbo - 35
Grover - 40
spleen - 42
NTO - 44

I definitely had trouble with soccer, and I'm guessing there could be some wild swings based on how you defined the intent of the draft. But a clear winner here.

Obviously part of this is opinion I have the Steelers as the top NFL franchise, Packers second. I'd buy that reversed if you made that claim. I don't buy the Cowgirls as the top one or two. So if you think the Cowboys are the ##1 then I'd disagree with ya.

EDIT: - Plus, no one says you have to rank them equally. Do I honestly think that NCAA Other is on the same footing as the Yankees or the Steelers? If so, how do I compare UConn woman's BBall team vs Iowa Wrestling when they aren;t the same sport?

Logan · 12-10-2012, 02:16 PM

I went Packers 1, Steelers 2...beyond that I don't remember if I had Dallas at 3 or 4, I accidentally trashed the spreadsheet once I was done.

Bobble · 12-10-2012, 02:18 PM

Using patented Bobblenomics, the results are clear:

80.2 Comey
76.4 Grover
76.0 britrock
69.1 WSUCougar
67.4 Bisbo
68.2 larrymcg
65.9 spleen
56.4 NTO

Bobblenomics ranks each category 8 to 1 with 8 being the best. Then, it multiplies those ratings by the square root of the pick number (1.8, 3.4, etc.). That way, an 8 point best in category that was taken in the second round (2.8 frex) is worth more than an 8 pointer taken 1.1. Why square root? Because it sounds more scientific.

I also owe a slight apology to WSUCougar. I thought you screwed the pooch with the Cardinals and Wolverines but there were some solid picks in there too.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-10-2012, 02:36 PM

for shits n giggles let's see what rankopedia says

mlb

yanks
cards
red sox
dodgers
giants

soccer

real madrid
manu
barca
ac milan
liverpool

nfl

steelers
niners
cowboys
packers
patriots

nba

lakers
celtics
bulls
spurs
pistons

ncaa hoops

ucla
unc
uk
duke
indiana

ncaa football

usc
nd
michigan
ohio st
oklahoma

nhl

montreal
detroit
edmonton
toronto
boston

obv you have to account for massive homerism

Abe Sargent · 12-10-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

for shits n giggles let's see what rankopedia says

mlb

yanks
cards
red sox
dodgers
giants

soccer

real madrid
manu
barca
ac milan
liverpool

nfl

steelers
niners
cowboys
packers
patriots

nba

lakers
celtics
bulls
spurs
pistons

ncaa hoops

ucla
unc
uk
duke
indiana

ncaa football

usc
nd
michigan
ohio st
oklahoma

nhl

montreal
detroit
edmonton
toronto
boston

obv you have to account for massive homerism

They also have Vince Young as the 24th best QB of all time:

Rankopedia: Best NFL quarterback ever

Logan · 12-10-2012, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

They also have Vince Young as the 24th best QB of all time:

Rankopedia: Best NFL quarterback ever

He was robbed.

kcchief19 · 12-10-2012, 02:56 PM

Larry's solid 2-8 but he took a soccer team No. 1. That's like taking a kicker with the first pick of the NFL draft.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-10-2012, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abe Sargent

They also have Vince Young as the 24th best QB of all time:

Rankopedia: Best NFL quarterback ever

lol. like i said it ain't science (top half looks pretty good though)

Suburban Rhythm · 12-10-2012, 03:21 PM

End result:

Voted larry

2nd Comey (by a point), 3rd WSU

britrock88 · 12-10-2012, 04:36 PM

I like NTO's list; I have 3 number 1s!

Izulde · 12-10-2012, 04:41 PM

1. larrymcg by a wide margin
2. NTO by a significant amount over third place
3. WSUCougar despite his incredibly asinine St. Louis Cardinals first overall pick. He rebounded beautifully the rest of the draft, and had one of the most well-rounded teams.

WSUCougar · 12-10-2012, 05:11 PM

(A) I got a vote, yay!

(B) I was called "asinine" in a poll about prestigious sports teams

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-10-2012, 05:37 PM

prestige is the monkey wrench. means different things to different people. nostalgia, where you grew up, etc.

cuse lax is a really big deal here. but west of the rockies lax doesn't register on the radar.

also, i think there's a fair debate to be had about dynastic eras vs. long term prestige. belichik era, jordan era, gretzky era. on their own i wouldn't consider the pats/bulls/oilers prestigious franchises

TRO · 12-10-2012, 05:42 PM

Larry got my vote.

Cougar 2nd
Spleen 3rd.

NorvTurnerOverdrive · 12-12-2012, 02:15 PM

heh. i meant to bump this so we wouldn't have a tie for second. ah well, second's just the first loser cuz larrymcg421 opened a healthy can of whoop-ass on the rest of us.

congrats larry!

12-10-2012, 12:23 PM	#4
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Grover has the best list. Now, if someone had voted in their NCAA Other category for West Virginia University for rifel/marksmanship/gun category, then that would have gotten an auto-vote from me __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

12-10-2012, 01:36 PM	#6
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	Plotting this out in Excel so I can look across the category and rank 1-8. Finding the NCAAB is the hardest category for me to rank. I've got my clear bottom 3...then a mishmash. I should clarify...hardest category that I have a clue about. Soccer I don't know a damn thing, and not sure how I'm going to grade that category. __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

12-10-2012, 02:36 PM	#13
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	for shits n giggles let's see what rankopedia says mlb yanks cards red sox dodgers giants soccer real madrid manu barca ac milan liverpool nfl steelers niners cowboys packers patriots nba lakers celtics bulls spurs pistons ncaa hoops ucla unc uk duke indiana ncaa football usc nd michigan ohio st oklahoma nhl montreal detroit edmonton toronto boston obv you have to account for massive homerism Last edited by NorvTurnerOverdrive : 12-10-2012 at 02:41 PM.

12-10-2012, 03:21 PM	#18
Suburban Rhythm Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pittsburgh	End result: Voted larry 2nd Comey (by a point), 3rd WSU __________________ "Do you guys play fast tempos with odd time signatures?" "Yeah" "Cool!!"

12-10-2012, 04:41 PM	#20
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	1. larrymcg by a wide margin 2. NTO by a significant amount over third place 3. WSUCougar despite his incredibly asinine St. Louis Cardinals first overall pick. He rebounded beautifully the rest of the draft, and had one of the most well-rounded teams. __________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

View Poll Results: Who has the most Prestigious Portfolio?
WSUCougar	1	2.63%
Comey	6	15.79%
Grover	10	26.32%
spleen1015	4	10.53%
britrock88	10	26.32%
Bisbo	10	26.32%
NTO	5	13.16%
larrymcg421	26	68.42%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

12-10-2012, 11:44 AM	#2
Young Drachma Dark Cloud Join Date: Apr 2001	I belatedly read that you could indeed pick more than one (yes, I realize it was multiple choice. Still..) and I only voted for one. So add +1 to britrock and Comey because they'd be my #2 and #3 respectively.

12-10-2012, 12:01 PM	#3
MIJB#19 Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Maassluis, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands	larrymcg421 saved his reach for ManUtd (the NY Knicks of soccer, of sorts) with the picks of the Bulls and Penguins to be 2nd best in my opinion. But I had to go with Grover's collection of Real Madrid, Steelers, Detroit Red Wings and the NY Knicks. The rest of the lists were sort of 'meh' to me. __________________ * 2005 Golden Scribe winner for best FOF Dynasty about IHOF's Maassluis Merchantmen * Former GM of GEFL's Houston Oilers and WOOF's Curacao Cocktail

12-10-2012, 12:37 PM	#5
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Larry's got this hands down in my opinion.

12-10-2012, 02:13 PM	#9
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	yeah, i didn't know how to organize it. i figured just leave it in order so at a cursory glance the blue chips would be on top

12-10-2012, 02:16 PM	#11
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I went Packers 1, Steelers 2...beyond that I don't remember if I had Dallas at 3 or 4, I accidentally trashed the spreadsheet once I was done.

12-10-2012, 02:18 PM	#12
Bobble College Prospect Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: High and outside	Using patented Bobblenomics, the results are clear: 80.2 Comey 76.4 Grover 76.0 britrock 69.1 WSUCougar 67.4 Bisbo 68.2 larrymcg 65.9 spleen 56.4 NTO Bobblenomics ranks each category 8 to 1 with 8 being the best. Then, it multiplies those ratings by the square root of the pick number (1.8, 3.4, etc.). That way, an 8 point best in category that was taken in the second round (2.8 frex) is worth more than an 8 pointer taken 1.1. Why square root? Because it sounds more scientific. I also owe a slight apology to WSUCougar. I thought you screwed the pooch with the Cardinals and Wolverines but there were some solid picks in there too.

12-10-2012, 02:56 PM	#16
kcchief19 Pro Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Kansas City, MO	Larry's solid 2-8 but he took a soccer team No. 1. That's like taking a kicker with the first pick of the NFL draft.

12-10-2012, 04:36 PM	#19
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	I like NTO's list; I have 3 number 1s!

12-10-2012, 05:11 PM	#21
WSUCougar Rider Of Rohan Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Port Angeles, WA or Helm's Deep	(A) I got a vote, yay! (B) I was called "asinine" in a poll about prestigious sports teams __________________ It's not the years...it's the mileage.

12-10-2012, 05:37 PM	#22
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	prestige is the monkey wrench. means different things to different people. nostalgia, where you grew up, etc. cuse lax is a really big deal here. but west of the rockies lax doesn't register on the radar. also, i think there's a fair debate to be had about dynastic eras vs. long term prestige. belichik era, jordan era, gretzky era. on their own i wouldn't consider the pats/bulls/oilers prestigious franchises

12-10-2012, 05:42 PM	#23
TRO College Prospect Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Louisburg, KS	Larry got my vote. Cougar 2nd Spleen 3rd. __________________ TRA, the Royal Ape

12-12-2012, 02:15 PM	#24
NorvTurnerOverdrive College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2008	heh. i meant to bump this so we wouldn't have a tie for second. ah well, second's just the first loser cuz larrymcg421 opened a healthy can of whoop-ass on the rest of us. congrats larry!

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