The Trump Presidency – 2016

[GrantDawg]

Oh, come on. It is easy! Group of white men, armed with rifles forcing their way into a state capital meeting equals peaceful protest. Group of multicultural men women and children chanting in front of the White House, rioters who deserve to be gassed. How can you not tell the difference?

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[thesloppy]

The contrast is pretty fucking ridiculous at this point:

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Libra

This summer it was predominantly one side who put themselves in a position to be tear gassed.

Ok who created the alt account

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Butter

Ok who created the alt account

OK. Go ahead and post that this summer was a diversity fest as far as protesting was concerned. We both know it wasn't. Just own it.

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So all the BLM protests don't count? How many reporters were shot with rubber bullets today? Arrested? Tear gassed?

IMO trying to enter a government building armed crosses the line from protest to insurrection.

I'll go back to what I originally said, what do you think the scene would look like had they been Muslim?

Rubber bullets? Arrests? Tear Gas?

You were talking about cops killing protesters. Move the goalposts much?

Back to what you originally said...no, it wouldn't have looked any different. The cops there aren't going to shoot anyone without a very, very good reason.

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Trying to storm a capital building while armed isn't what I classify as a protest but YMMV.

True, I see the problem with it but I see problems with other things too...like barricading people inside public buildings and then setting those buildings on fire.

[wustin]

always with the whatboutisms, no other way to argue

[Libra]

Originally Posted by wustin

always with the whatboutisms, no other way to argue

Always huh? I've been a member here for less than a week so you can stop with the "always" stuff.

Now as for what I asked you...go ahead and say that the protests this year were a veritable diversity fest with everyone taking part. That is what you implied earlier.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Libra

OK. Go ahead and post that this summer was a diversity fest as far as protesting was concerned. We both know it wasn't. Just own it.

What does that have to do with my question

[Libra]

Originally Posted by Butter

What does that have to do with my question

I'll make you a deal, I'll answer you if you can tell me what your question was.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Libra

The cops there aren't going to shoot anyone without a very, very good reason.

That may be the single most amazing conclusion I've seen in years. You should be a comedian, because I am rolling.

[Libra]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

That may be the single most amazing conclusion I've seen in years. You should be a comedian, because I am rolling.

Awesome. List some precedents.

[GrantDawg]

I see a troll.

[GrantDawg]

Great patriots peacefully protesting.
Happening now: Trump supporters trying to destroy the Oregon's State Capitol doors to gain entry : PublicFreakout

[Edward64]

Losing track of what's being discussed with all the tangents.

But yup, it's getting toxic again.

[Butter]

Originally Posted by Libra

I'll make you a deal, I'll answer you if you can tell me what your question was.

I'll make you a deal, you're a dipshit

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Losing track of what's being discussed with all the tangents.

But yup, it's getting toxic again.

It isn't getting toxic.

Do you honestly not see the blatant double standard he is claiming isn't happening?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Libra

Rubber bullets? Arrests? Tear Gas?

You were talking about cops killing protesters. Move the goalposts much?

Back to what you originally said...no, it wouldn't have looked any different. The cops there aren't going to shoot anyone without a very, very good reason.

The goalposts aren't moving at all. I listed a number of examples of tactics police used against peaceful protesters this summer. I still advocate for the use of deadly force if someone is acting out an insurrection on a state capital.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Libra

Always huh? I've been a member here for less than a week so you can stop with the "always" stuff.

Now as for what I asked you...go ahead and say that the protests this year were a veritable diversity fest with everyone taking part. That is what you implied earlier.

Did you even watch the protests this summer? It was all diversity, which is why there were so many angry white men protesting against therm.

blacks, whites, Asians, Muslims, women, children, old, young, etc...all represented at those protests. They were the model of diversity.

[bob]

Awesome, not only did they reduce the stimulus amount but also the max AGI you could have to qualify for any portion of it.

Glad I pay I fuck ton of taxes each year.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

I refuse to give Sportsdigs credit for this reporting.

Trump Is Already Wondering What Airport Will Bear His Name

I'm hoping for the Donald J. Trump Mar-A-Lago International, No Intergalactic, Spaceport and Great Airport

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Newsmax, like Fox News, also apparently got sent to the principal’s office for lying about voter machine fraud. The claims they are refuting make it sound like an SNL sketch. I’m glad they clarified that the machines were not owned by the Pelosi or Clinton families or Venezuela (or Hugo Chavez).

Newsmax just aired this note to "clarify" its coverage of Smartmatic and Dominion. pic.twitter.com/I5XZ7CQpAk
— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) December 21, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/19/busin...age/index.html

And CNN pointing it out in a "hey, some of us sensationalize but we aren't usually in the business of just flat out making stuff up that gets us sued". But, hey, both sides!

SI

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Losing track of what's being discussed with all the tangents.

But yup, it's getting toxic again.

No, no, Edward - they were calling out the Oregon police not the tone police.

SI

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

No, no, Edward - they were calling out the Oregon police not the tone police.

SI

Had to look it up in wiki.

Tone policing (also tone trolling, tone argument, and tone fallacy) is an ad hominem (personal attack) and anti-debate tactic based on criticizing a person for expressing emotion. Tone policing detracts from the validity of a statement by attacking the tone in which it was presented rather than the message itself.[1]

Have to re-read the thread to see where the personal attacks occurred and where questions were asked but not answered.

[thesloppy]

Just to follow-up on yesterday's action at the Oregon capitol building, 4 people did end up getting arrested:


4 arrested, 1 suspect sought in protest at Oregon Capitol - oregonlive.com

[ISiddiqui]

It appears Trump, who was basically absent from negotiations, wants to veto the spending bill which includes Covid relief. Mnuchin can't be happy. And no way McConnell authorizes $2000 direct payments. That's what the Democrats were asking in August.

[GrantDawg]

But it was all the Democrats fault that it was only $600 instead of $2k. The Orange man said so.

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[Edward64]

No idea how this will play out. My guess is it'll go up some but not all the way.

[GrantDawg]

Pelosi says she can get $2k passed by unanimous consent right now.

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[ISiddiqui]

Here's the tweet. Fantastically played by Pelosi!

https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/st...732604935?s=21

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Pelosi says she can get $2k passed by unanimous consent right now.

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I don't think the word unanimous means what I used to think it means, but yeah I'm all for increasing the amount for direct payments because I have zero trust in the government, let alone these massive plans avoiding huge corruption.

[GrantDawg]

Head of Ways and Means agrees with Pelosi. We are about to see every Democrat jump on this and forcing the GOP to fight against it. Very publicly, as a special election is going.

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[Lathum]

Man, Trump has completely painted the republicans into a corner. If he wasn't so stupid I would think he did this on purpose as revenge.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Here's the tweet. Fantastically played by Pelosi!

https://twitter.com/speakerpelosi/st...732604935?s=21

Pelosi is dumb as shit and should have been doing this 6 months ago. It should have been what Democrats ran on in the election. She is lucking into it because Trump is an unstable dumbass who will probably change his mind by tomorrow morning when some Fox News anchor tells him to.

[ISiddiqui]

So... You missed that whole HEROES act thing then? Back in August, Pelosi and Mnuchin were trading barbs over this (in my state the Democratic candidates talked about the HEROES act a lot, including the direct payment). Hell they even passed on updated HEROES act at the end of September to put it back in the news on the stretch run of the election. But Trump was on a leash back then so they couldn't squeeze the GOP with Trump's words.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So... You missed that whole HEROES act thing then? Back in August, Pelosi and Mnuchin were trading barbs over this (in my state the Democratic candidates talked about the HEROES act a lot, including the direct payment). Hell they even passed on updated HEROES act at the end of September to put it back in the news on the stretch run of the election. But Trump was on a leash back then so they couldn't squeeze the GOP with Trump's words.

The entire election should have been about whether people would get $3000 checks.

[BishopMVP]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The entire election should have been about whether people would get $3000 checks.

If it had been that obvious Trump would have appropriated it and probably won.

[BishopMVP]

In retrospect Trump not promising thousands of dollars to each voter when he had political cover to do so and it very well have made the difference is hilarious. Thankfully he's delusional & thought he'd win the election anyways/surrounded by yes men so he's just grasping at straws now haha

[RainMaker]

Amy Klobuchar just went on MSNBC to call raising the stimulus to $2,000 per person "an attack on every American" and suggests Congress override Trump's veto. pic.twitter.com/mEdDUY9dNu

— jordan (@JordanUhl) December 23, 2020

[ISiddiqui]

Well McConnell didn't want it and a lot of Republicans suddenly started caring about deficits again (including Republican voters who would have benefited started saying things like we don't need another $1200 from the government we need these lockdowns to end so we can make money).

It's no real surprise that Trump is calling for $2000 direct payments after McConnell called Biden the President-elect.

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[JPhillips]

Pelosi is trying to do it via unanimous consent, which obviously won't happen. If she was serious she'd call the House back into session and do a real vote and at least force Mitch to ignore it. This is just a little theatre designed to fail.

[Brian Swartz]

Originally Posted by Issiddiqui

including Republican voters who would have benefited started saying things like we don't need another $1200 from the government we need these lockdowns to end so we can make money

I'm not a Republican voter, but FWIW I would benefit and I don't want the government sending me more money. It should go places where it's really needed and to people who deserve it. I don't deserve more of other people's money simply for existing.

[RainMaker]

Law and order President pardoned some fraudsters and mass murderers.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

The entire election should have been about whether people would get $3000 checks.

I think the entire election should been about whether people should get $10,000 checks. Yeah. And a pony.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Interesting summary on that video, but it was not what she said. She sees Trump as trying to prevent the rest of the bill passing (unemployment extensions, PPP, money for the vaccines), which is an attack on the American people. $2k is great, but we must have those other things as well.

[ISiddiqui]

Yep. The left can be just as bad as Fox News in mis-characterizing what moderate Democrats actually said. I'd ask everyone to watch the video.

And it's obvious that Trump just wants to blow things up. People forget that he didn't just call for a $2000 direct payment but also eliminating other spending he considers wasteful (I don't think he realizes that those spending things are part of the omnibus budget bill and the Covid 19 relief is a separate part of it).

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[miami_fan]

So Trump, Pelosi, and AOC agree on the $2000 direct payments. Did Trump become a socialist or are Pelosi and AOC going to begin donning red hats from now on?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

I think the entire election should been about whether people should get $10,000 checks. Yeah. And a pony.

We have used trillions to prop up the stock price of major companies so extremely rich people could get wealthier.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by miami_fan

So Trump, Pelosi, and AOC agree on the $2000 direct payments. Did Trump become a socialist or are Pelosi and AOC going to begin donning red hats from now on?

More likely Trump sees it as a cheap way to score points while rescinding a lot of other more in-depth points in the bill(s) that go counter to his message and vision. It's the sort of thing populists love to do the world over: Make people happy about getting stuff in the short run while quietly making sure that in the long run they still push an agenda that doesn't actually sustainably improves the lifes of a vast majority of folks. Because that actually takes time, effort, know how and money. And which is also an issue for, say, the democrats. Because i don't doubt they could have gotten 2000 if they were willing to trade in enough chips from the more long-term and/or structural aid.
While AOC and Pelosi now suddenly see an oportunity where now the 2000 are looking like a given because of how that obviously dominates the public discourse but that other stuff is still very much in play. Because now it'd look rather silly if Trump suddenly backs out because he cares so much about "insert whatever" that he uses the american people to get his way. Deep down he wants to be loved, so absolutely the smart thing to do here is rally behind his declaration and milk that baby. Especially with the knowledge, said baby is going out the door in a month.

[RainMaker]

I just think he hasn't paid attention to anything but his election for months.