Rome Total War

WSR · 12-23-2007, 05:51 PM

There's a thread going on this, but it is in the Archive Forum so I'm afraid nobody will read it.

Anyway, to quote my question from that thread:

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Resurrecting an old thread here.

I just played RTW last night for the first time and it is great so far.

This is my first TW experience ever, so is there any VERY Basic advice you could give me? Thanks!

And the link: http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/...t=30692&page=5

Blade6119 · 12-23-2007, 07:10 PM

What faction are you playing as, as the strategy in both world expansion and single battles is heavily reliant upon the faction you are playing? My assumption is your playing with no mods and as rome, but i might be mistaken. Either way, id reccomend dling the rome total realism mod, as it really makes the game better.

DaddyTorgo · 12-23-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

What faction are you playing as, as the strategy in both world expansion and single battles is heavily reliant upon the faction you are playing? My assumption is your playing with no mods and as rome, but i might be mistaken. Either way, id reccomend dling the rome total realism mod, as it really makes the game better.

I need to get back into R:TW

maybe this thread will spur that

WSR · 12-23-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

What faction are you playing as, as the strategy in both world expansion and single battles is heavily reliant upon the faction you are playing? My assumption is your playing with no mods and as rome, but i might be mistaken. Either way, id reccomend dling the rome total realism mod, as it really makes the game better.

I'm playing as the House of Julii with Medium Difficulty and High Advice.

I saw the other threads about the Total Realism mod and thought I would try the stock game first. It sounds as though the Total Realism mod makes the game harder, which I don't need at this point . . .

DaddyTorgo · 12-23-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WSR

I'm playing as the House of Julii with Medium Difficulty and High Advice.

I saw the other threads about the Total Realism mod and thought I would try the stock game first. It sounds as though the Total Realism mod makes the game harder, which I don't need at this point . . .

mmm...but it also makes it...MUCH more historically realistic. none of that silly "house" stuff.

DaddyTorgo · 12-23-2007, 08:03 PM

as far as the stock game, expand as fast as possible. You should be able to take all of italy above sicily very quickly using just your initial armies and leaving minimal garrisons in the interior.

Blade6119 · 12-23-2007, 08:43 PM

After that, i prefer to work east through greece and down into egypt, then strike across the med into carthage region..by this point, you should be the power of the world. At that point, pick cities at will and win

DaddyTorgo · 12-23-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blade6119

After that, i prefer to work east through greece and down into egypt, then strike across the med into carthage region..by this point, you should be the power of the world. At that point, pick cities at will and win

east through greece and then across the water to anatolia and then down to egypt is definitely the way to go.

Anthony · 12-24-2007, 12:47 AM

when i won w/ Rome, i did it differently. i want to eliminate the Gaul threat to the north. at the very lest i want north italy to be extremely fortified, because if not then you allow them to take your money-generating cities like in the milan/venice region - important port cities. i try to eliminate the Gauls as far north as i can manage, THEN i focus on Greece/Carthage.

i remembering winning with Macedonia, that was fun.

i'm currently playing Medieval 2:TW. great game, but one annoying thing is if you're a christian faction in europe the other christian factions will wind up going to war with you. i don't want to fight other christians - i want to war with the muslims! so annoying.

WSR · 12-24-2007, 12:48 AM

A few questions:

1) Do you suggest that I follow the Senate Missions or just go off on my own? I believe I'm supposed to do as I'm asked by the Senate, so I can't go North then East as suggested.
2) In between turns, things are happening too fast. The camera will quickly move around the map as different factions flags flip by, but I can only see what happened after the turn. Is there a setting to change this?
3) I guess I need to read the manual more, because this is pretty intimidating with all that's going on. I'm a complete noob with this game and it is intense (in a good way).

Anthony · 12-24-2007, 09:07 AM

you can do both what the Senate wants and what you want. eventually you need to eliminate the Senate, so it's not like their word is the bible. you have to consider your own best interests. if for some reason they wanted you to attack a much more powerful faction before you were ready to do so, i wouldn't.

when you play the game with the Rome:Total Realism mod, you start the game with the Senate being already eliminated.

but in any event it's hardcoded into the game that you will war with the Gauls, this happened in real life. you may be allies now, and i recommend it if you're just starting the campaign, but they will turn on you. spend your early peacetime years building up your markets and roads and money generating buildings. war costs money just like in real life, you can't win wars if you can't make enough money. in the early parts of campaigns you can generally grab land from rebels who're inferior to you, and i spend it trying to to position my cities to be money makers. the only drawback is other factions build up their military, weapons and armor more than i do, so i'm behind the times when i'm ready to start warring.

but i take the war to the Gauls. f 'em.

Dutch · 12-24-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i'm currently playing Medieval 2:TW. great game, but one annoying thing is if you're a christian faction in europe the other christian factions will wind up going to war with you. i don't want to fight other christians - i want to war with the muslims! so annoying.

I'm expecting this one under the tree tommorrow. I really have enjoyed the TW series so far.

Anthony · 12-24-2007, 10:37 AM

it's my favorite of the TW series. factor in all the best things about R:TW, but with the medieval setting. really is a much better game than the first M:TW.

due to the movie 300 i've been itching to play R:TW again to play as the Spartans (Greeks). but whenever i watch Kingdom of Heaven i'm very glad i have M2:TW and i dive right back in. of all the factions i've played, i only beat it my 1st time playing it (England). i've been dominated playing all other factions. right now i'm the French. i don't like playing as the Muslims (nor have i ever), but i think my next faction will be a non-christian faction cuz i'm tired of the Pope letting other factions attack me and when i want to grab their land i have to worry about him getting up in my business.

Coffee Warlord · 12-24-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

it's my favorite of the TW series. factor in all the best things about R:TW, but with the medieval setting. really is a much better game than the first M:TW.

Wow, I completely disagree. The first MTW was the best game in the series by FAR for me. I utterly miss glorious acheivements, I still like the way movement is handled in the game better (movement on the map itself, RTW style, is great in theory, but is annoying in practice), and it sucked me in like few games ever did.

Rome...not so much. And MTW2 was a disaster.

DaddyTorgo · 12-24-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Wow, I completely disagree. The first MTW was the best game in the series by FAR for me. I utterly miss glorious acheivements, I still like the way movement is handled in the game better (movement on the map itself, RTW style, is great in theory, but is annoying in practice), and it sucked me in like few games ever did.

Rome...not so much. And MTW2 was a disaster.

TETO

Blade6119 · 12-24-2007, 07:20 PM

I think MTW did the best job on the overall campaign, RTW had the best "feel" to it and the coolest moments(elephant charge anyone?), while mtw 2 did the best job with balance as it was the first game to really challenge me in and out of battles.

Calis · 12-24-2007, 07:28 PM

I probably liked Shogun the most to be honest. I think it was a couple of things, firstly being it was the first in the series and was really pretty revolutionary at the time, the others have just been the evolution of that first big thing. I also liked the setting because it was something you just don't see done often, whereas Medieval and Roman is pretty prevalent. I liked the simplicity of the campaign, none of this micromanaging daughters and marriages which I despised, and the battles just had a good feel.

It definitely had issues though, the map was very linear, and I'm sure it wouldn't stand up as well playing it now, but I played that one more than the sequels, and would love to see them revisit the setting. I doubt that's a big money-maker though.

WSR · 12-29-2007, 11:52 AM

I keep getting my arse handed to me in battles as I try to expand north. The Gauls continue to out-number me and I lose.

After re-reading this thread, I believe I'm leaving too many soldiers in the interior rather than reassigning them to my faction leader as he trys to take over other cities.

whomario · 12-28-2012, 05:18 PM

hey guys, bringing this back in hope of some help. Have started playing the game (with the Total Realism mod, read soo much positive things about this that i just went ahead and not bothered with the vanilla game) and have my usual problem of not knowing how to start things. How much should i invest in what sort of things ? (construction, recruitment etc)
I tried some playthroughs/Lets play videos but it all seems to go on the assumption that it´s people familiar with the series watching ...
Also found some guides, but nothing too basic unfortunately.

A tutorial as in CKII would be awfully helpfull.

Anyone have a good guide/video or helpfull advice of his own ?

Eaglesfan27 · 03-05-2014, 08:55 AM

Getting a new laptop today and thinking about Total War: Shogun 2. Any thoughts on the game?

JPhillips · 03-05-2014, 09:11 AM

I enjoyed it for a while, but it suffers from the same problems as the whole series. The AI in battles is very limited. All battles outside castles end up as full charges and when the AI stays in the castle you can beat the hell out of it before breaking down the walls.

It's beautiful, the campaign is pretty fun and the battles look great, but there isn't much of a challenge there.

Blackadar · 03-05-2014, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Getting a new laptop today and thinking about Total War: Shogun 2. Any thoughts on the game?

Shogun 2 is probably the best TW game in recent years due to the narrow focus and the island shape, but read on...I wouldn't buy it again.

Creative Assembly in recent years has done a horrendous job in supporting their products. Empire was an incredibly buggy mess upon release (for instance, the AI couldn't conduct seaborne invasions meaning that you couldn't ever lose playing as England) and CA's second patch rendered ATI cards unable to play the game for four months. They just shrugged while literally thousands of players were screaming that they were locked out of their games. Due to Steam, you couldn't roll back the patch either. The game is still a horrible mess and CA just dumped it. For instance, the AI still can't use artillery correctly nor protect them at all, which is a pretty fucking big deal. Want to win every time? Charge their artillery with your calvary.

Napoleon was stable, but limited in focus. It's really DLC for Empire and an ok game, but nothing particularly special. At least it worked.

Shogun is the best of their recent releases as I mentioned before, mostly due to the setting. I love the feudal Japanese setting. The game oozes atmosphere. The graphics are beautiful. The units are really cool. However, there's a ton of warts here. The mid game "split" is still very gimmicky and poorly done. The game engine handles the combat better than it did in Empire, but the AI is still (after all these years) entirely incapable of defending or conducting a siege. But the biggest issue is that I've had massive problems with it crashing. I've tried two entirely different computers with two entirely different video cards and I can't go more than an hour or two without a crash to desktop. Considering that it likes to happen when I enter or EXIT a battle, it renders the game unplayable because I have to replay battles constantly because the game crashed when it's over. It isn't an uncommon issue either and it was never fixed. Of course, that seems to be CA's MO in the last 10 years. They've just been releasing games that are neigh unplayable for entire swaths of their player base and they never fix them. If you're going to get a recent release, this is the one but be aware that you may just be getting a pile of shit.

The recent Rome II was a disaster by almost all accounts. It looked like a step back in terms of AI, graphics and was again horribly buggy. The reviews weren't too kind either, even amongst traditional CA fanboy reviewers. It's their lowest Metacritic scoring game ever. I didn't even bother because I'm done with Creative Assembly games. If they ever come out with something worth playing, this is the one company I'd pirate the game from considering that I have yet to get a playable game from purchasing (at full price) Empire and Shogun 2.

sabotai · 03-05-2014, 01:45 PM

I used to love the Total War games. That last one I played a lot of was MW2. Empire I played the tutorials and then stopped. Shogun 2, I've tried a few times but couldn't really get into it and Rome2 I barely made it through the tutorials (that was $60 well spent...). The horrible reviews were spot on. Just absolutely terrible design decisions in just about every aspect of the game.

Unfortunately, outside of Paradox, there doesn't seem to be any decent historical strategy games, and I'm kinda getting bored with their games too. (if I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about it!)

Groundhog · 03-05-2014, 04:12 PM

Shogun 2 was great for a short time. There's a mod (or was - it's been years since I played the game) that speeds up general advancement while slowing down the campaign speed, and I'd recommend that as the best way to play it. The biggest issue I had, outside of general dumb battle AI, is that it is waaaay too easy to defend a castle in a siege IMO, especially when the AI just moves its men around the perimeter outside of your bow range until the timelimit is reached.

Eaglesfan27 · 03-05-2014, 04:52 PM

Thanks guys. I will pass on this game.

BYU 14 · 03-05-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

Thanks guys. I will pass on this game.

If you want an enjoyable war game and like the WW I era, I would highly recommend Commander - The Great War from Matrix

They just released a patch that adds to the challenge, it is easy to learn, AI is solid and it represents a war that is hard to get right very well. Plus not a ton of micro-managing.

Matrix Games - Commander - The Great War .

12-23-2007, 07:10 PM	#2
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	What faction are you playing as, as the strategy in both world expansion and single battles is heavily reliant upon the faction you are playing? My assumption is your playing with no mods and as rome, but i might be mistaken. Either way, id reccomend dling the rome total realism mod, as it really makes the game better. __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-23-2007, 08:43 PM	#7
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	After that, i prefer to work east through greece and down into egypt, then strike across the med into carthage region..by this point, you should be the power of the world. At that point, pick cities at will and win __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-24-2007, 12:48 AM	#10
WSR Mascot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tarzana, CA	A few questions: 1) Do you suggest that I follow the Senate Missions or just go off on my own? I believe I'm supposed to do as I'm asked by the Senate, so I can't go North then East as suggested. 2) In between turns, things are happening too fast. The camera will quickly move around the map as different factions flags flip by, but I can only see what happened after the turn. Is there a setting to change this? 3) I guess I need to read the manual more, because this is pretty intimidating with all that's going on. I'm a complete noob with this game and it is intense (in a good way). __________________ XBL Tag: WSR

12-24-2007, 07:20 PM	#16
Blade6119 Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona	I think MTW did the best job on the overall campaign, RTW had the best "feel" to it and the coolest moments(elephant charge anyone?), while mtw 2 did the best job with balance as it was the first game to really challenge me in and out of battles. __________________ *Underachievement* The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawnmower. *Despair* It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black. *Demotivation* Sometimes the best solution to morale problems is just to fire all of the unhappy people. http://www.despair.com/viewall.html

12-29-2007, 11:52 AM	#18
WSR Mascot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tarzana, CA	I keep getting my arse handed to me in battles as I try to expand north. The Gauls continue to out-number me and I lose. After re-reading this thread, I believe I'm leaving too many soldiers in the interior rather than reassigning them to my faction leader as he trys to take over other cities. __________________ XBL Tag: WSR

12-23-2007, 08:03 PM	#6
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	as far as the stock game, expand as fast as possible. You should be able to take all of italy above sicily very quickly using just your initial armies and leaving minimal garrisons in the interior.

12-24-2007, 12:47 AM	#9
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	when i won w/ Rome, i did it differently. i want to eliminate the Gaul threat to the north. at the very lest i want north italy to be extremely fortified, because if not then you allow them to take your money-generating cities like in the milan/venice region - important port cities. i try to eliminate the Gauls as far north as i can manage, THEN i focus on Greece/Carthage. i remembering winning with Macedonia, that was fun. i'm currently playing Medieval 2:TW. great game, but one annoying thing is if you're a christian faction in europe the other christian factions will wind up going to war with you. i don't want to fight other christians - i want to war with the muslims! so annoying.

12-24-2007, 09:07 AM	#11
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	you can do both what the Senate wants and what you want. eventually you need to eliminate the Senate, so it's not like their word is the bible. you have to consider your own best interests. if for some reason they wanted you to attack a much more powerful faction before you were ready to do so, i wouldn't. when you play the game with the Rome:Total Realism mod, you start the game with the Senate being already eliminated. but in any event it's hardcoded into the game that you will war with the Gauls, this happened in real life. you may be allies now, and i recommend it if you're just starting the campaign, but they will turn on you. spend your early peacetime years building up your markets and roads and money generating buildings. war costs money just like in real life, you can't win wars if you can't make enough money. in the early parts of campaigns you can generally grab land from rebels who're inferior to you, and i spend it trying to to position my cities to be money makers. the only drawback is other factions build up their military, weapons and armor more than i do, so i'm behind the times when i'm ready to start warring. but i take the war to the Gauls. f 'em.

12-24-2007, 10:37 AM	#13
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	it's my favorite of the TW series. factor in all the best things about R:TW, but with the medieval setting. really is a much better game than the first M:TW. due to the movie 300 i've been itching to play R:TW again to play as the Spartans (Greeks). but whenever i watch Kingdom of Heaven i'm very glad i have M2:TW and i dive right back in. of all the factions i've played, i only beat it my 1st time playing it (England). i've been dominated playing all other factions. right now i'm the French. i don't like playing as the Muslims (nor have i ever), but i think my next faction will be a non-christian faction cuz i'm tired of the Pope letting other factions attack me and when i want to grab their land i have to worry about him getting up in my business.

12-24-2007, 07:28 PM	#17
Calis College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kansas	I probably liked Shogun the most to be honest. I think it was a couple of things, firstly being it was the first in the series and was really pretty revolutionary at the time, the others have just been the evolution of that first big thing. I also liked the setting because it was something you just don't see done often, whereas Medieval and Roman is pretty prevalent. I liked the simplicity of the campaign, none of this micromanaging daughters and marriages which I despised, and the battles just had a good feel. It definitely had issues though, the map was very linear, and I'm sure it wouldn't stand up as well playing it now, but I played that one more than the sequels, and would love to see them revisit the setting. I doubt that's a big money-maker though.

12-28-2012, 05:18 PM	#19
whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	hey guys, bringing this back in hope of some help. Have started playing the game (with the Total Realism mod, read soo much positive things about this that i just went ahead and not bothered with the vanilla game) and have my usual problem of not knowing how to start things. How much should i invest in what sort of things ? (construction, recruitment etc) I tried some playthroughs/Lets play videos but it all seems to go on the assumption that it´s people familiar with the series watching ... Also found some guides, but nothing too basic unfortunately. A tutorial as in CKII would be awfully helpfull. Anyone have a good guide/video or helpfull advice of his own ? __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!”

03-05-2014, 08:55 AM	#20
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Getting a new laptop today and thinking about Total War: Shogun 2. Any thoughts on the game? __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

03-05-2014, 09:11 AM	#21
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I enjoyed it for a while, but it suffers from the same problems as the whole series. The AI in battles is very limited. All battles outside castles end up as full charges and when the AI stays in the castle you can beat the hell out of it before breaking down the walls. It's beautiful, the campaign is pretty fun and the battles look great, but there isn't much of a challenge there. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

03-05-2014, 01:45 PM	#23
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	I used to love the Total War games. That last one I played a lot of was MW2. Empire I played the tutorials and then stopped. Shogun 2, I've tried a few times but couldn't really get into it and Rome2 I barely made it through the tutorials (that was $60 well spent...). The horrible reviews were spot on. Just absolutely terrible design decisions in just about every aspect of the game. Unfortunately, outside of Paradox, there doesn't seem to be any decent historical strategy games, and I'm kinda getting bored with their games too. (if I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about it!)

03-05-2014, 04:12 PM	#24
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Shogun 2 was great for a short time. There's a mod (or was - it's been years since I played the game) that speeds up general advancement while slowing down the campaign speed, and I'd recommend that as the best way to play it. The biggest issue I had, outside of general dumb battle AI, is that it is waaaay too easy to defend a castle in a siege IMO, especially when the AI just moves its men around the perimeter outside of your bow range until the timelimit is reached. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

03-05-2014, 04:52 PM	#25
Eaglesfan27 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey	Thanks guys. I will pass on this game. __________________ Retired GM of the eNFL 2007 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles (19-0 record.) GM of the WOOF 2006 Doggie Bowl Champion Atlantic City Gamblers. GM of the IHOF 2019 and 2022 IHOF Bowl Champion Asheville Axemen.

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