Submarine exploring the titanic goes missing

[Lathum]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/t...sing-rcna90032

Lost communication and hour and 45 minutes in to expedition. Doesn't look great

A @USCG C-130 crew is searching for an overdue Canadian research submarine approximately 900 miles off #CapeCod.

For more info and inquiries, please email [email protected]

— USCGNortheast (@USCGNortheast) June 19, 2023

[CrimsonFox]

When suppertime came, the old cook came on deck sayin'
"Fellas, it's too rough to feed ya"
At seven PM, a main hatchway caved in, he said
"Fellas, it's been good to know ya"

[CrimsonFox]

This is interesting

One of the missing crew members is Hamish Harding, the billionaire owner and chairman of Action Aviation. A post Sunday on Harding's Instagram account said he was joining OceanGate’s expedition "as a mission specialist" — typically a one-time crew member who pays a fee to join the effort.

[molson]

This is the company's video that promotes the experience.

https://youtu.be/Wi60tvRwRlE

Part of the deal is that you're trained and get some kind of job. You spend 8 days overall on the surface ship, and then go down to the Titanic a couple of times, which takes a few hours. And the tourists "may assist the pilot with coms and tracking" (but it sounds like they mostly take pointless notes). Hopefully some dummy customer didn't screw anything up. Seems like a plot of a Pauly Shore movie.

Also, some guy posted this on the Titanic subreddit 3 months ago about these missions:

"Those 'submarines' that they use during the Oceangate Expeditions aren't legally certified to carry passengers. In order to even get in one you have to sign a waiver acknowledging that they don't get even close to meeting a safety code for deep sea submersibles. They are pieced together from makeshift, largely off the shelf parts and are piloted by a Nintendo Gamecube controller (im not even kidding. look it up)."

This is one of those crazy news stories it's easy to go down rabbit holes about. A couple of other interesting little tidbits: The vessel they go down in is bolted from the outside and there's no way to get out without outside help. So even if it managed to re-surface somewhere, they'd have to be found to not suffocate to death - and it would be hard to find them because the vessel is white with blue decals. But most of the smart people talking about this think it's most likely that there was some kind of structural damage, which would have caused the vessel to implode and crumple instantly like a soda can from the ocean pressure and sink to the bottom.

I saw another video of a guy describing the experience - I would not be interested if I had the money. You're in a tin can the size of a minivan for about 8 hours, just sitting against the wall, 5 people. They can only shit and piss in a ziplock bag. There's a "pilot" but he has no idea where he is, he relies on short text messages sent from the surface ship that stay stuff like, "turn right for 10 minutes, then go straight". And there's one tiny portal window you can look out and maybe get a glimpse, one at at a time, at some Titanic wreckage.

[CrimsonFox]

That's scary shit molson.

I can't even fathom (no pun intended) how those expeditions don't have a million cameras inside and out with people on the boat constantly monitoring them! I was confused at the part where it said it was a tourist submarine yet there were five CREW members. So what you're saying is they just call the tourists "Crew". It's good that they are actually training them before they go. But that makes it make sense they called them that when it's not really true. That billionaire was a tourist. Other than that I wonder how many others were.

[molson]

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

[CrimsonFox]

It's at the bottom of the freakin ocean! It's not finding Nemo!

[whomario]

Originally Posted by molson

Ya, I saw a tidbit about that - there is a guy from the U.S. Coast Guard who is running the search operation. He said that there was one pilot on board, “And there were four mission specialists, is the term that the operator uses. You’ll have to ask the operator what that means.” (those are the tourists). And apparently from the tone he wasn't impressed.

But, it's not like these people didn't know what they were getting into. This is the only currently-existing manned vessel that can go down there. It all sounds crazy now, but, that's part of the adventure of it. They were specifically informed and waived liability about every possible thing that could go wrong, and there was a lot.

I love going on adventures. I also love to always get to do one more after.

This whole operation seems insane.

Y’all please watch this. It’s a CBS story that aired a while back about that submarine that is now missing. The creators of that missing submarine are DEEPLY unserious. pic.twitter.com/B6JriITyZj

— Marie, MSN, APRN, FNP-C (@FnpMarieOH) June 19, 2023

[CrimsonFox]

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

[CrimsonFox]

What to know about the missing vessel, 'Titan'
The U.S. Coast Guard is searching for the missing research submersible that disappeared Sunday.
The wreckage of the Titanic, the iconic ocean liner that sank more than a century ago, is located 900 nautical miles east of Cape Cod, Massachusetts.
The sub had up to 96 hours of oxygen supply, the U.S. Coast Guard said.
The price of a spot on the submersible was $250,000. It was only on its third trip since OceanGate Expeditions began offering them in 2021.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Watched some guy saying that the sub has 7 failsafes to get the sub back to the surface including one that said it will automatically go to the surface after 24 hours.

It is unclear/speculation as to when that 24 hours would start and when it's up. something something 24 hours after it receives no prders or something.

The coast guard is sending all kinds of shit there. I wonder if all this would get this press and searches if a billionaire wasn't on board

If there wasn't a billionaire on board then voyage probably wouldn't have occurred. I mean, who else spends $250k for this?

I think a better question might be whether if this was somewhere area other than the Titanic whether it'd be getting the media coverage.

[Lathum]

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

[sovereignstar v2]

One of the best movies of all-time.....

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The thought of being in that tin can absolutely makes my skin crawl. I can’t even imagine being locked in there.

*ahem*

PRINGLES can!

[molson]

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by molson

Another theory that's been floated.....

Colossal squid

uh oh a despair squid!
They'll all end up looking like this!

[bhlloy]

If we needed any more evidence that having massive amounts of money does not equal being life smart… adventure is going up Everest or swimming the English Channel. The more info that comes out about this the more it looks like planned suicide.

[CrimsonFox]

I personally think they found Bioshock's Rapture

[bronconick]

To be fair, going up Everest is suicide for about 98% of people.

[CrimsonFox]

The worst thing about this is that a script for a TV movie of the week is already being written about this probably.

And I agree bron. Going up everest is bad even for pros.
Heck when I lived in seattle I would constantly hear about the casualties on the cascades and other smaller mountains.

[CrimsonFox]

There has been banging heard by the Sonar deployed. They say in half hour intervals. This has gotten people's hopes up.

Another interview just now echoes my sentiments. That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*

They really needed to get Sig, Keith, Jonathan, WIld Bill, Josh, and Casey on the case. I bet they could find them.

[Edward64]

I'd rather have Jonas Taylor come rescue me.

[molson]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

That if they ARE on the bottom of the sea, there is really no way to get another sub or anything down there in time. The best way is for it to float to the surface. He was actually surprised it's not already done that and said that it isn't really built for being on the bottom, it's supposed to float when weights are released. So getting those weights released is the key.

*shakes head*

Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

[CrimsonFox]

I really am freaked out about this. It's sad that such stupidity leads to this.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by molson

Maybe it got stuck on something, like Titanic wreck debris.

It's possible...that if they sank . I was thinking about sinking theories. Like Okay it sinks for some reason. So if it hurtles downward and crashes on the bottom it could really wedge itself into the ground.

However...the other thing. It takes 2 and a half hours to reach the titanic on the bottom. And they lost contact at 1:45 I think. So if they never got there, they might be on ann underwaterplateau...but worse thought if they plummeted below some shelves...and even if the thing floats it just is stuck on the "ceiling" . oh it's such a big ocean

i'm freaking out.

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

oh more stupidity. A british vessel that has a remote control underwater vehicle that contains a winch...was held up in US and forbidden to leave to help them.

Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

[Atocep]

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

[Ksyrup]

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Welllll ... that's the claim from a guy who just happened to have been supposed to be on board but pulled out at the last minute.

Aaaaand the ship is in Newfoundland not the US.
Aaaaand the equipment in question is on planes on the Guernsey Islands (also not the U.S.)

Aaaaand the company itself allegedly waited 8 hours to report a problem.

So it seems reasonable that we miiiiight not be hearing the whole story on that just yet

hahahahahahahahahaha

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

How long until they set up a multi-stop submersible tourist exploration of both sites?

There will be documentaries first
then biopic

[CrimsonFox]

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I saw an interview with a guy familiar with the sub and said he knew 3 of the people on board. He explained that the most likely outcome was a hull issue and the sub likely imploded at 6000+ feet underwater.

If thats the case, what an awful way to go.

Edit: although sitting at the bottom of the ocean for 4 days waiting for oxygen to run out is probably worse.

I would take virtually instant death over agonizing in total darkness with 4 other people in a run can waiting for my air to run out. I’m claustrophobic AF so I wouldn’t ever be in that thing but I can not imagine the horror.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

The pressure that deep under the sea is immense. If there was a structural failure with the vessel because of the pressure it would be crushed instantly and everyone on board killed in literally a millisecond. The human body would be liquified.

[Swaggs]

Yeah. This stuff is nightmare fuel. I would take instant death over helplessly sitting in the dark waiting to suffocate.

This image puts into perspective how deep and how much water is between rescuers and the Titanic:

Image link doesn't work, but from this article: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...sub-rescue-spt

[GrantDawg]

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.

Somebody simply has to write the ultimate catch-all essay on disruptive, libertarian, private-sector-touting entrepreneurs simply begging and demanding for state intervention at the end of their journeys. (This is the Titan sub company's adviser.) pic.twitter.com/dsB9YLln8w

— Eve Fairbanks (@evefairbanks) June 21, 2023

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

Think of it as a reverse explosion.

[Sweed]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

This is a company spokesman. You know, the one who made the decision to mock any government regulations and the idea of safety being important. Now this libertarian free thinker is demanding the government save the idiots from themselves.

Somebody simply has to write the ultimate catch-all essay on disruptive, libertarian, private-sector-touting entrepreneurs simply begging and demanding for state intervention at the end of their journeys. (This is the Titan sub company's adviser.) pic.twitter.com/dsB9YLln8w

— Eve Fairbanks (@evefairbanks) June 21, 2023

Suppose he will count himself among those that "did not do their job"?

[stevew]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

I'm still not certain what this imploding thing is all about.

Implosion-

think mass volumes of loose styrofoam being pressed into a cube.

[RainMaker]

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I hope the company is going to get billed for the immense amount of money that is going into this rescue operation. Can't fathom the government would put these kind of resources for a non-billionaire who likely imploded on a submarine.

It's just taxpayer money, who cares.

[RainMaker]

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

[Lathum]

Because this story needs more weirdness. This kid seems like a real peach.

Titanic Submarine Billionaire's Son Went To Blink-182 Show

[cartman]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So is the best hope that they somehow were able to open the inflatables and are waiting on the surface to be rescued before air runs out? Like I just don't see any scenario where these folks aren't dead. And even if they found it deep down in the ocean, it doesn't seem like there is any technology we have that can get them up from that level.

From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

[Critch]

Company behind missing Titan sub allegedly fired a director for raising concerns about the vessel and its potential to expose passengers to ‘extreme danger’

Apparently they were using a porthole certified to 1500m for dives beyond 3000m. What could possibly go wrong there?

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by cartman

From what I understand, the sub can only be opened from the outside. So even if the sub is bobbing on the surface, they are doomed if they aren't found before the oxygen runs out.

So the can opener they have on the surface is going to be of no use now?

[CrimsonFox]

they keep hearing banging. which suggests that if it is them, there was no implosion.

how can there be no technology in existence that can detect where the banging is coming from? and why the f*** was there no sonar or other things ON the vessel...



as for your implosion answers, thanks.except for quikshot. Whose answer was completely unhelpful.

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

[SirFozzie]

because water transmits sound very weirdly. you can hear intermittent banging but there's nowhere enough info to get a direction nor a distance beyond vague "maybe that way?"

That's why sonar pings are so powerful, because they have to be to find something and reflect back

It could be that they grounded themselves iin the shelf near the Titanic.

[Ksyrup]

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

The banging is not them, it's a whale garage band practicing.

WHALES DON'T HAVE GARAGES!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

So I was thinking more of...if there is a hull breach meaning there's a hole formed in the outer and inner walls, it would just start flooding with water. But you guys seem to be saying that if a hole forms, then the aluminum can is just crushed instantly. the walls and floor and ceiling all just crush together

That's basically what (is believed to have happened) to the USS Thresher. The estimate is that the 279 foot nuclear sub ceased to exist in roughly 0.1 seconds.

A 22 foot container with far more questionable construction would fare no better, not against pressure of 6,000 pounds per square inch.