Werewolf CLXVII - The Wheel of Time - Game Over - Page 14

Glengoyne · 04-02-2015, 12:06 PM

As I was catching up this morning I've gone from reading Grover's actions as a desperate good guy to a desperate bad guy, and finally just desperate. I voted for him yesterday with the thought that I'd rather see him get lynched than cheeki, who was the other leading candidate. Now I'm not seeing a viable alternative to lynching Grover today.

If he turns out to be good I think we have some insight into the game's mechanics. If he's a baddy, then it was all a bunch of lies that we can disregard but we've caught a wolf and there will be trails to sniff out and follow.

Vote Grover

Narcizo · 04-02-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

I don't agree with your 2nd sentence. If he is village and knows he is village, he'd use the power to save himself, or else he is lynched and his power is gone from the game anyway. Not sure how this is different than a self preservation vote against the next top vote getter when you are in the running to get lynched.

Because no lynch is almost always a result for wolves. Unless he's a seer and can get a scan in. A double lynch is acceptable but obviously not what he was looking for.

Glengoyne · 04-02-2015, 12:15 PM

Woo hoo I did manage to bold something on the tablet. I'm on a train for a few hours, and then I'll be running around Sacramento with the family and afk until the hour before deadline.

Regarding mechanics what is a nightfall vote? If it is what I'm guessing then I don't see that helps the us at all.

Narcizo · 04-02-2015, 12:19 PM

Nightfall allows results to be found out quicker near end game. Everyone has to nightfall in order for the lynch to go through. No, it doesn't help the village.

path12 · 04-02-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

I don't agree with your 2nd sentence. If he is village and knows he is village, he'd use the power to save himself, or else he is lynched and his power is gone from the game anyway. Not sure how this is different than a self preservation vote against the next top vote getter when you are in the running to get lynched.

I'd say it is different because we didn't get any lynch, the wolves got an extra night kill and we learned absolutely nothing and now have to lynch Grover again at some point.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 12:23 PM

Which reminds me.

Vote Grover

No other option.

Raven · 04-02-2015, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

Because no lynch is almost always a result for wolves. Unless he's a seer and can get a scan in. A double lynch is acceptable but obviously not what he was looking for.

Maybe traditionally, but the rules for this game states -

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autumn

[*]Tie votes will be settled by either lynching both parties or lynching neither one. It's unclear which.

Not that he saw that rule and based his decision off of that. I'm saying using his power to save himself is a self preservation move. Allowing himself to be lynched may ultimately be better for the team of villagers, but his neck was on the line and he used his power to save himself. If you say you'd allow yourself to be lynched, when you have the power to save yourself, for the team - I don't believe you. Especially when these games have individual goals at play, and not just team goals.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 12:25 PM

Anyway. Grover? If you turn out to be good...what's your reads on people?

Raven · 04-02-2015, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Narcizo

Nightfall allows results to be found out quicker near end game. Everyone has to nightfall in order for the lynch to go through. No, it doesn't help the village.

Not sure who you were directing that comment at. If it was to me, then I am familiar with all this. Not sure what your last sentence was in reference to.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Not that he saw that rule and based his decision off of that. I'm saying using his power to save himself is a self preservation move. Allowing himself to be lynched may ultimately be better for the team of villagers, but his neck was on the line and he used his power to save himself. If you say you'd allow yourself to be lynched, when you have the power to save yourself, for the team - I don't believe you. Especially when these games have individual goals at play, and not just team goals.

However.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

I have the ability to use my power each night, with a random effect.

So if he's being truthful, he got incredibly lucky with pretty much the only combination of votes and target (me) that would actually save him.

Narcizo · 04-02-2015, 12:28 PM

Meh. My ping is being pung by Coffee but there are reasons I think voting for him would be sub-optimal all things being equal. Well, reason, anyway.

My votes staying. If you're on the side of light you should try to post your analysis and thoughts Grover.

Shoveler · 04-02-2015, 12:30 PM

Day 3 Vote

Grover [8] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656)
Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620)
Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636)

Nightfall [1] - Grover (563)

Narcizo · 04-02-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

Not sure who you were directing that comment at. If it was to me, then I am familiar with all this. Not sure what your last sentence was in reference to.

Glengoyne who asked in the post before.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

However.

So if he's being truthful, he got incredibly lucky with pretty much the only combination of votes and target (me) that would actually save him.

My target on night one was actually Vaimes, who voted for me originally. I was able to change his vote onto cheeki with mine.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 12:33 PM

With so little out there, it has been pretty hard to try and prove my case as good.

I have strong feelings that Zinto and path12 are wolves. Especially with the strength that they came out with in voting for me today. I generally seem to lean that cheeki is good, though I do have questions about him.

I am on the fence with CW, but could definitely see him being a wolf here.

Narcizo · 04-02-2015, 12:38 PM

If you're good then I would be shocked if Zinto is bad given the way he's led the charge against you. Wolves are the only ones who know who the other wolves are.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Narcizo

If you're good then I would be shocked if Zinto is bad given the way he's led the charge against you. Wolves are the only ones who know who the other wolves are.

Can you clarify this?

If he knows who the other wolves are, he would actively avoid voting for them, unless it was to try and make a vote look good. Am I right in this thinking?

If he's bad, why not lead a charge on someone who has come out saying what I have? It makes sense to get the village on his side to lynch me. It serves his purpose as a wolf.

Raven · 04-02-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

So if he's being truthful, he got incredibly lucky with pretty much the only combination of votes and target (me) that would actually save him.

No. Seems to me (from what he is saying) is that he gets to pick someone to use a power on at night, with a random effect, and then finds out the next day what that effect is. Though Grover may have to confirm this is what he is saying, this is what I think he is saying.

So night 1 he chose someone, and then day 2 found out that he could influence their vote. (I forget who he said he picked).
Then night 2 he chose someone else (you), and on day 3 found out that that person could not be lynched that day.

path12 · 04-02-2015, 12:49 PM

I don't know where else I could go with a vote today. I totally get why you might see that as "after you", but it is based on your own actions.

path12 · 04-02-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

No. Seems to me (from what he is saying) is that he gets to pick someone to use a power on at night, with a random effect, and then finds out the next day what that effect is. Though Grover may have to confirm this is what he is saying, this is what I think he is saying.

So night 1 he chose someone, and then day 2 found out that he could influence their vote. (I forget who he said he picked).
Then night 2 he chose someone else (you), and on day 3 found out that that person could not be lynched that day.

This is how I read what he is saying as well.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

No. Seems to me (from what he is saying) is that he gets to pick someone to use a power on at night, with a random effect, and then finds out the next day what that effect is. Though Grover may have to confirm this is what he is saying, this is what I think he is saying.

So night 1 he chose someone, and then day 2 found out that he could influence their vote. (I forget who he said he picked).
Then night 2 he chose someone else (you), and on day 3 found out that that person could not be lynched that day.

This is correct.

I can process my action before 10PM. After the deadline, I find out the effect on the person I targeted.

path12 · 04-02-2015, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

However.

So if he's being truthful, he got incredibly lucky with pretty much the only combination of votes and target (me) that would actually save him.

I missed this. Coffee, are you saying that your vote was switched?

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I missed this. Coffee, are you saying that your vote was switched?

If it was, it was not switched by me. I used my channeling on Vaimes for night one. His vote DEFINITELY got switched. Regardless if he knew it or not.

path12 · 04-02-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Grover

If it was, it was not switched by me. I used my channeling on Vaimes for night one. His vote DEFINITELY got switched. Regardless if he knew it or not.

Ah, OK. Vaimes, did you become aware that it was your vote being switched?

Vaimes · 04-02-2015, 01:16 PM

Vaimes · 04-02-2015, 01:16 PM

I'm actually kind of flattered I was someone's N1 target.

cheekimonk · 04-02-2015, 01:18 PM

Just for confirmation that I'm reading the rules correctly, anyone have comments on this that I posted earlier:

Wait, you've said you're Illian but you can also channel AND you could be the Dragon Reborn? I'm fairly certain that makes you a male channeler. That means you are either the Dragon Reborn, a false Dragon, or Forsaken.

Now, of the Forsaken we know "...they were wielders of the Power in the days of Legend, capable of things that are no longer even imagined. They were sealed away when the Dark One was, but not so tightly, and before the Dark One escapes, they will. It is possible one walks the world right now, his abilities so far beyond those of the Aes Sedai that they could stand in front of him and not recognize him."

He's not Aes Sedai because his power would not have "random effects" as he has claimed. Aes Sedai belong to an Ajah which strictly defines their power. He also claims that it was he who switched the vote. That's a power that I can't see any role having outside the Aes Sedai and I don't even see an Ajah that could accomplish such a thing.

Combining the "random effects on anyone" with the ability to swap the vote, these sound like abilities "that are no longer even imagined...". I think Grover is Forsaken.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:18 PM

I'm guessing the person that my spell protected for tonight has no idea that they have been protected. Hopefully, the wolves try to night kill him and get scuppered.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

Just for confirmation that I'm reading the rules correctly, anyone have comments on this that I posted earlier:

Wait, you've said you're Illian but you can also channel AND you could be the Dragon Reborn? I'm fairly certain that makes you a male channeler. That means you are either the Dragon Reborn, a false Dragon, or Forsaken.

I have stated numerous times that I am a male channeler. Hence the wieldy and unknown results to my channeling.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I missed this. Coffee, are you saying that your vote was switched?

If it was, I wasn't notified.

I was working off my prior, apparently incorrect assumption of how Grover was explaining his power. He had said he targeted me yesterday, I thought that meant I was the one whose vote got changed.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:25 PM

No one else willing to go in on nightfall votes?

The conversation for my survival seems to be smoldering, at best. May as well put me out of my misery.

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

If it was, I wasn't notified.

I was working off my prior, apparently incorrect assumption of how Grover was explaining his power. He had said he targeted me yesterday, I thought that meant I was the one whose vote got changed.

Where did he say he targeted you yesterday?

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

No one else willing to go in on nightfall votes?

The conversation for my survival seems to be smoldering, at best. May as well put me out of my misery.

Putting aside even the conversation of putting someone out of his misery at his own request, I can already guarantee you you won't get a unanimous vote because I refuse on principle to vote Nightfall in this situation.

That is to be used on obvious wolf situations, and definitely not on the target's request.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:30 PM

Fair enough.

Raven · 04-02-2015, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Where did he say he targeted you yesterday?

Post #559 he quotes CW and says...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

I have the ability to use my power each night, with a random effect.

In fact I used it on you last night.

Glengoyne · 04-02-2015, 01:44 PM

I read Grover's posts As a claim that he was targeting CW then says that his target probably doesn't know it. Misdirection? Or too many tales to keep straight?

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glengoyne

I read Grover's posts As a claim that he was targeting CW then says that his target probably doesn't know it. Misdirection? Or too many tales to keep straight?

Well, CW fits his earlier description of his target, but I guess Grover wasn't as interested in keeping that a secret from wolves as he first claimed.

Grover, if you want the wolves to trip up trying to lynch the mystery target of your power, why did you let the world know who the target is?

EagleFan · 04-02-2015, 01:48 PM

Grover · 04-02-2015, 01:59 PM

Misdirection.

I'm not stupid enough to let the wolves know who NOT to lynch.

Grover · 04-02-2015, 02:04 PM

I'm leaning toward CW being a wolf than anything, to be honest.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

Ass Sedai.

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Ass Sedai.

Umm, Aes Sedai.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 02:49 PM

Nope, nope, I think my previous line was correct.

Coffee Warlord · 04-02-2015, 02:53 PM

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

As a side, final tallies from day 1, knowing what we know.

Zinto looks interesting, and it's more than a little likely that one of the 3 unknowns on timmae is a wolf.

EagleFan · 04-02-2015, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Nope, nope, I think my previous line was correct.

MartinD · 04-02-2015, 03:44 PM

As per my post earlier, I'm not convinced that Grover is of the Shadow, but (as we no longer have a seer) the only way that we can find out for certain is to lynch him.

VOTE GROVER

Shoveler · 04-02-2015, 03:54 PM

Day 3 Vote

Grover [9] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656), MartinD (696)
Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620)
Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636)

Nightfall [1] - Grover (563)

Vaimes · 04-02-2015, 04:21 PM

Wow.

So Raven's probably town.

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 04:40 PM

Where is timmae anyway? Has he posted today and I missed it? He got a lot of Day One interest, and not much on him since.

Not that I am saying he has done anything I find particularly suspicious--it just seems funny to think he was in the running on Day One, and interest in him has now dropped off the map.

Chief Rum · 04-02-2015, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

As a side, final tallies from day 1, knowing what we know.

Zinto looks interesting, and it's more than a little likely that one of the 3 unknowns on timmae is a wolf.

Someone noted the classic wolf tactic to split votes yesterday, and using that, I was particularly interested in Zinto. As we knew that font was a villager, the one unknown on The Jackal (also good) could very well have been a wolf.

Grover is a runaway at this point, so this vote won't get any traction (nor should it), but I am going with Zinto for now.

VOTE ZINTO

04-02-2015, 12:33 PM	#665
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	With so little out there, it has been pretty hard to try and prove my case as good. I have strong feelings that Zinto and path12 are wolves. Especially with the strength that they came out with in voting for me today. I generally seem to lean that cheeki is good, though I do have questions about him. I am on the fence with CW, but could definitely see him being a wolf here. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 12:49 PM	#669
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I don't know where else I could go with a vote today. I totally get why you might see that as "after you", but it is based on your own actions. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

04-02-2015, 01:18 PM	#678
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	I'm guessing the person that my spell protected for tonight has no idea that they have been protected. Hopefully, the wolves try to night kill him and get scuppered. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 01:25 PM	#681
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	No one else willing to go in on nightfall votes? The conversation for my survival seems to be smoldering, at best. May as well put me out of my misery. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 01:30 PM	#684
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Fair enough. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 12:06 PM	#651
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	As I was catching up this morning I've gone from reading Grover's actions as a desperate good guy to a desperate bad guy, and finally just desperate. I voted for him yesterday with the thought that I'd rather see him get lynched than cheeki, who was the other leading candidate. Now I'm not seeing a viable alternative to lynching Grover today. If he turns out to be good I think we have some insight into the game's mechanics. If he's a baddy, then it was all a bunch of lies that we can disregard but we've caught a wolf and there will be trails to sniff out and follow. Vote Grover

04-02-2015, 12:15 PM	#653
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	Woo hoo I did manage to bold something on the tablet. I'm on a train for a few hours, and then I'll be running around Sacramento with the family and afk until the hour before deadline. Regarding mechanics what is a nightfall vote? If it is what I'm guessing then I don't see that helps the us at all.

04-02-2015, 12:19 PM	#654
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Nightfall allows results to be found out quicker near end game. Everyone has to nightfall in order for the lynch to go through. No, it doesn't help the village.

04-02-2015, 12:23 PM	#656
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Which reminds me. Vote Grover No other option.

04-02-2015, 12:25 PM	#658
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Anyway. Grover? If you turn out to be good...what's your reads on people?

04-02-2015, 12:28 PM	#661
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	Meh. My ping is being pung by Coffee but there are reasons I think voting for him would be sub-optimal all things being equal. Well, reason, anyway. My votes staying. If you're on the side of light you should try to post your analysis and thoughts Grover.

04-02-2015, 12:30 PM	#662
Shoveler High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Minnesota	Day 3 Vote Grover [8] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656) Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620) Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636) Nightfall [1] - Grover (563)

04-02-2015, 12:38 PM	#666
Narcizo Pro Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006	If you're good then I would be shocked if Zinto is bad given the way he's led the charge against you. Wolves are the only ones who know who the other wolves are.

04-02-2015, 01:16 PM	#675
Vaimes Mascot Join Date: Mar 2015	No.

04-02-2015, 01:16 PM	#676
Vaimes Mascot Join Date: Mar 2015	I'm actually kind of flattered I was someone's N1 target.

04-02-2015, 01:18 PM	#677
cheekimonk High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Nashville	Just for confirmation that I'm reading the rules correctly, anyone have comments on this that I posted earlier: Wait, you've said you're Illian but you can also channel AND you could be the Dragon Reborn? I'm fairly certain that makes you a male channeler. That means you are either the Dragon Reborn, a false Dragon, or Forsaken. Now, of the Forsaken we know "...they were wielders of the Power in the days of Legend, *capable of things that are no longer even imagined. They were sealed away when the Dark One was, but not so tightly, and before the Dark One escapes, they will. It is possible one walks the world right now, his abilities so far beyond those of the Aes Sedai* that they could stand in front of him and not recognize him." He's not Aes Sedai because his power would not have "random effects" as he has claimed. Aes Sedai belong to an Ajah which strictly defines their power. He also claims that it was he who switched the vote. That's a power that I can't see any role having outside the Aes Sedai and I don't even see an Ajah that could accomplish such a thing. Combining the "random effects on anyone" with the ability to swap the vote, these sound like abilities *"that are no longer even imagined...". I think Grover is Forsaken*.

04-02-2015, 01:44 PM	#686
Glengoyne Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Fresno, CA	I read Grover's posts As a claim that he was targeting CW then says that his target probably doesn't know it. Misdirection? Or too many tales to keep straight?

04-02-2015, 01:48 PM	#688
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04-02-2015, 01:59 PM	#689
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	Misdirection. I'm not stupid enough to let the wolves know who NOT to lynch. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 02:04 PM	#690
Grover Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lisboa, ME	I'm leaning toward CW being a wolf than anything, to be honest. __________________ Come On You Irons! West Ham United \| Philadelphia Flyers \| Cincinnati Bengals \| Kansas City Royals FOFC Greatest Band Draft Runner Up FOFC Movie Remake Draft Winner FOFC Movie Comedy Draft Winner

04-02-2015, 02:49 PM	#693
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Nope, nope, I think my previous line was correct.

04-02-2015, 02:53 PM	#694
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163) Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190) The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182) Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170) Vaimes [1] - Grover (110) As a side, final tallies from day 1, knowing what we know. Zinto looks interesting, and it's more than a little likely that one of the 3 unknowns on timmae is a wolf.

04-02-2015, 03:44 PM	#696
MartinD High School Varsity Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: East Lothian, Scotland	As per my post earlier, I'm not convinced that Grover is of the Shadow, but (as we no longer have a seer) the only way that we can find out for certain is to lynch him. VOTE GROVER

04-02-2015, 03:54 PM	#697
Shoveler High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central Minnesota	Day 3 Vote Grover [9] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656), MartinD (696) Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620) Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636) Nightfall [1] - Grover (563)

04-02-2015, 04:21 PM	#698
Vaimes Mascot Join Date: Mar 2015	Wow. So Raven's probably town.

04-02-2015, 04:40 PM	#699
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Where is timmae anyway? Has he posted today and I missed it? He got a lot of Day One interest, and not much on him since. Not that I am saying he has done anything I find particularly suspicious--it just seems funny to think he was in the running on Day One, and interest in him has now dropped off the map. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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