If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next - Page 135

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 02:22 PM

A stalemate here. Can McCarthy move any of these no votes? Does the Dems work out some kind of deal to walk out to allow his election?

bronconick · 01-03-2023, 02:28 PM

The Dems brought *popcorn*, so they're not going to lift a finger to bail them out.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 02:36 PM

The idiots voting Jordan despite Jordan telling them to vote McCarthy is peak gop these days. When Jordan and MTG are voices of reason you are too far gone.

NobodyHere · 01-03-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

A stalemate here. Can McCarthy move any of these no votes? Does the Dems work out some kind of deal to walk out to allow his election?

Remember the old adage of "When your opponent is making a mistake, don't interfere"?

Democrats owe McCarthy nothing and have nothing to gain by helping him.

So they might as well bring the popcorn

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

The idiots voting Jordan despite Jordan telling them to vote McCarthy is peak gop these days. When Jordan and MTG are voices of reason you are too far gone.

and GOP boards I've read are loving this. According to them it's a sign their representatives are finally rejecting RINOs and the establishment, that they don't have sheep like dems that just fall in line, and McCarthy needs to step aside for someone that isn't pro-liz cheney and pro Russian hoax.

I was dumb enough to expect talk of embarrassment.

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Remember the old adage of "When you're opponent is making a mistake, don't interfere"?

Democrats owe McCarthy nothing and have nothing to gain by helping him.

So they might as well bring the popcorn

I agree

If they can't agree on something as simple as a speaker it's going to be a shitshow for the next 2 years but it's going to be a shitshow the GOP owns. Let them investigate the shit out of Hunter Biden, Hillary, and try to spin Jan 6 as something started by antifa and encouraged by the DOJ. None of that is going to play well with voters.

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 02:51 PM

It plays well with their voters, which is why we have this crapfest.

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Lathum · 01-03-2023, 03:03 PM

Now Scalise nominates McCarthy. Weirder and weirder.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

It plays well with their voters, which is why we have this crapfest.

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The fact that Jordan doesn’t want the job and voted for McCarthy and these morons are still pimping Jordan shows you they have no interest in anything other than performative gridlock.

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 03:08 PM

The debt ceiling hits in March. We are going into default, aren't we?

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Lathum · 01-03-2023, 03:12 PM

Haha. Chip Roy talks about how they have to get rid of the swamp then nominates Jim Jordan. The simulation is busted.

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 03:13 PM

There is an expectation that McCarthy loses votes in the next round.

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bronconick · 01-03-2023, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The debt ceiling hits in March. We are going into default, aren't we?

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Trillion dollar coin, baby!

NobodyHere · 01-03-2023, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Trillion dollar coin, baby!

Just don't give it to Mr. Burns!

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 03:24 PM

Donalds of Florida switched to Jordan.

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Lathum · 01-03-2023, 03:25 PM

Biden should name McCarty secretary of homeland security.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 03:30 PM

Gym Jordan is gonna be speaker. What a world.

Edward64 · 01-03-2023, 04:00 PM

Enjoying the MSNBC coverage of the chambers. Talking heads are speculating that Scalise can probably get more votes.

(Never noticed but those chairs are really close to each other and don't look that comfortable)

RainMaker · 01-03-2023, 04:02 PM

It would never happen but it would be interesting if the Dems could get behind someone like Fred Upton and then convince 6 Republicans to vote for him.

Swaggs · 01-03-2023, 04:19 PM

Not all, but a fair amount of Republicans enjoy breaking things and then pointing out how they don't work. I feel like there are enough in the house that are willing to put this on display for quite awhile. Popcorn seems appropriate.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 04:29 PM

I feel bad for the families there to see their loved ones sworn in.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 04:30 PM

Adjourn until noon tomorrow...

What a shit show

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 04:32 PM

All we know right now is it won't be McCarthy. The speculation on MSNBC is he most likely will resign if he loses the speakership.

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GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 04:50 PM

Holy crap! The Pennsylvania state house just elected a Democrat as Speaker after the GOP couldn't come to a consensus. He was nominated by two Republicans. After he was elected, he annouced that he would become an independent.

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Thomkal · 01-03-2023, 04:58 PM

Well that was a delightful first day of the New Congress wasn't it?

Galaril · 01-03-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Holy crap! The Pennsylvania state house just elected a Democrat as Speaker after the GOP couldn't come to a consensus. He was nominated by two Republicans. After he was elected, he annouced that he would become an independent.

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Wow!

JonInMiddleGA · 01-03-2023, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Well that was a delightful first day of the New Congress wasn't it?

I'm absolutely delighted by the backbone shown by the (now) 20 holdouts.

If promoting a willing dupe like McCarthy is the only option, I'd just as soon the House not be seated.

Ksyrup · 01-03-2023, 05:41 PM

The most delicious part of this is (a) Trump didn't come to McCarthy's rescue despite how thoroughly McCarthy prostrated himself to Trump in front of the world, because (b) Trump has so little sway anymore that people like Gaetz, Boebert, Jordan, etc.,are openly defying his endorsement and he doesn't want to look even weaker by making a useless demand.

JPhillips · 01-03-2023, 05:42 PM

If McCarthy was half the man he thinks he is he'd already be lining up Dem votes and making it clear the Freedom Caucus can get some of what they want or none of what they want. The only reason this is chaos is that McCarthy is so transparently weak.

The man needs to channel the spirit of LBJ.

Ksyrup · 01-03-2023, 05:44 PM

THIS JUST IN:

Grab-n-go pizza cancelled for House Rs tonight. pic.twitter.com/DHgpAlHhqR
— Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) January 3, 2023

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

If McCarthy was half the man he thinks he is he'd already be lining up Dem votes and making it clear the Freedom Caucus can get some of what they want or none of what they want. The only reason this is chaos is that McCarthy is so transparently weak.

The man needs to channel the spirit of LBJ.

Unless he does something drastic like this I don't see a path for him to be speaker. The hardline no's seem to be more emboldened and are adamant he step aside.

Watching Marjorie Taylor Greene melt down on twitter has made this worthwhile though.

albionmoonlight · 01-03-2023, 05:56 PM

I consistently over-estimate GOP competence.

Ksyrup · 01-03-2023, 06:15 PM

What an embarrassment that Gosar and Gaetz have more trust in AOC than McCarthy!

Just a moment...

cartman · 01-03-2023, 06:17 PM

Gaetz said the quiet part out loud.

BREAKING: @MattGaetz says members were threatened with removal from committees if they don’t vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker.

“I’m not here to participate in some puppet show.. I don’t want to relive the Benghazi experience where it’s just theatre pretending to be oversight” pic.twitter.com/arK1HSJMsi
— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 3, 2023

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 06:20 PM

One of McCarthy's people have suggested they would consider going to the Dems if necessary. I don't think the Dems are going to accept a deal with him. Another Republican maybe? Mike Mulkavy was suggesting Fred Upton on CNN, but I think that may be just a scare tactic.

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Thomkal · 01-03-2023, 06:36 PM

Yeah can't see the Dems making any deal that gives McCarthy the Speakership. I mean he defied the Jan 6 Committee by ignoring their subpoena. How do Dems work with a Speaker like that?

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomkal

Yeah can't see the Dems making any deal that gives McCarthy the Speakership. I mean he defied the Jan 6 Committee by ignoring their subpoena. How do Dems work with a Speaker like that?

You don't. McCarthy has spent his political career waiting for his chance to become Speaker and by trying to play all sides over the years he's alienated everyone. Dems can't trust him and won't work with him and team crazy on the GOP side won't work with him and don't trust him.

I can't imagine the promises made behind closed doors to MTG for her to stan for him so hard. I'm sure he thought if he brought her in he'd pull Gosar, Gaetz, ect but all it's done is caused them to consider her a traitor.

kingfc22 · 01-03-2023, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

I can't imagine the promises made behind closed doors to MTG for her to stan for him so hard. I'm sure he thought if he brought her in he'd pull Gosar, Gaetz, ect but all it's done is caused them to consider her a traitor.

Delicious.

GrantDawg · 01-03-2023, 07:20 PM

Trump's decision to support him is what I think made MTG support him. I believe there was deal there that MTG was going to be Trump's voice in McCarthy's ear. Now Trump is quiet and probably won't make a statement till he can claim he was behind whoever wins all along.

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Swaggs · 01-03-2023, 08:24 PM

I read that Justin Amash offered to be a unity speaker. I don’t see him as someone dems would vote for, but I just don’t see why McCarthy would spend years and years on this, get 95% of the vote he needs, and then give up.

JPhillips · 01-03-2023, 08:58 PM

Amash has been very favorable to the insurgents, so I can't see him getting anywhere close to enough support.

Ksyrup · 01-03-2023, 09:16 PM

Santos posted a press release announcing he was sworn in today. He's certainly sticking to the script!

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Holy crap! The Pennsylvania state house just elected a Democrat as Speaker after the GOP couldn't come to a consensus. He was nominated by two Republicans. After he was elected, he annouced that he would become an independent.

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And Ohio's went to a moderate republican that made a deal with dems.

Meanwhile Trump refuses to back McCarthy in an interview this evening.

PilotMan · 01-03-2023, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

And Ohio's went to a moderate republican that made a deal with dems.

Meanwhile Trump refuses to back McCarthy in an interview this evening.

trump will back whoever makes him look stronger. Forget anything that happened before, if he can toss McCarthy under the bus and get something out of it he will.

Lathum · 01-03-2023, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

trump will back whoever makes him look stronger. Forget anything that happened before, if he can toss McCarthy under the bus and get something out of it he will.

Exactly. It is amazing how people can't see he will back whomever wins and claim he was behind them the whole time

Atocep · 01-03-2023, 10:44 PM

Apparently Kevin McCarthy has already moved into the Speaker's office, which is pissing those voting against him off. Gaetz is trying to get him booted from the office since he isn't the speaker, and as Gaetz pointed out, didn't even get the most votes today.

I just don't see either side backing down on this.

bronconick · 01-03-2023, 11:11 PM

I figure this will probably go to penalty kicks.

dubb93 · 01-04-2023, 12:23 AM

We’ve reached a point where the house couldn’t even come together as one to declare the sky blue.

“But clouds are white”
“It’s orange when the sun sets”
“It’s a weird color before a tornader”

CrimsonFox · 01-04-2023, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

Enjoying the MSNBC coverage of the chambers. Talking heads are speculating that Scalise can probably get more votes.

Edward64 · 01-04-2023, 06:47 AM

Love it, thanks!

The song "Burning Down The House" is also fitting.

"Burning Down The House" Song by Talking Heads | Music Charts Archive

View Poll Results: If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc.	5	5.56%
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration.	2	2.22%
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14")	30	33.33%
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed.	12	13.33%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration	6	6.67%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1.	30	33.33%
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.)	5	5.56%
Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

01-03-2023, 04:19 PM	#6720
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Not all, but a fair amount of Republicans enjoy breaking things and then pointing out how they don't work. I feel like there are enough in the house that are willing to put this on display for quite awhile. Popcorn seems appropriate. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

01-03-2023, 04:32 PM	#6723
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	All we know right now is it won't be McCarthy. The speculation on MSNBC is he most likely will resign if he loses the speakership. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 01-03-2023 at 04:32 PM.

01-03-2023, 04:58 PM	#6725
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Well that was a delightful first day of the New Congress wasn't it? __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

01-03-2023, 05:41 PM	#6728
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	The most delicious part of this is (a) Trump didn't come to McCarthy's rescue despite how thoroughly McCarthy prostrated himself to Trump in front of the world, because (b) Trump has so little sway anymore that people like Gaetz, Boebert, Jordan, etc.,are openly defying his endorsement and he doesn't want to look even weaker by making a useless demand. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-03-2023, 02:22 PM	#6701
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	A stalemate here. Can McCarthy move any of these no votes? Does the Dems work out some kind of deal to walk out to allow his election?

01-03-2023, 02:28 PM	#6702
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	The Dems brought popcorn, so they're not going to lift a finger to bail them out.

01-03-2023, 02:36 PM	#6703
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	The idiots voting Jordan despite Jordan telling them to vote McCarthy is peak gop these days. When Jordan and MTG are voices of reason you are too far gone.

01-03-2023, 02:51 PM	#6707
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	It plays well with their voters, which is why we have this crapfest. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 03:03 PM	#6708
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Now Scalise nominates McCarthy. Weirder and weirder.

01-03-2023, 03:08 PM	#6710
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	The debt ceiling hits in March. We are going into default, aren't we? Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 03:12 PM	#6711
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Haha. Chip Roy talks about how they have to get rid of the swamp then nominates Jim Jordan. The simulation is busted.

01-03-2023, 03:13 PM	#6712
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	There is an expectation that McCarthy loses votes in the next round. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 03:24 PM	#6715
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Donalds of Florida switched to Jordan. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 03:25 PM	#6716
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Biden should name McCarty secretary of homeland security.

01-03-2023, 03:30 PM	#6717
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Gym Jordan is gonna be speaker. What a world.

01-03-2023, 04:00 PM	#6718
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Enjoying the MSNBC coverage of the chambers. Talking heads are speculating that Scalise can probably get more votes. (Never noticed but those chairs are really close to each other and don't look that comfortable)

01-03-2023, 04:02 PM	#6719
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	It would never happen but it would be interesting if the Dems could get behind someone like Fred Upton and then convince 6 Republicans to vote for him.

01-03-2023, 04:29 PM	#6721
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I feel bad for the families there to see their loved ones sworn in.

01-03-2023, 04:30 PM	#6722
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Adjourn until noon tomorrow... What a shit show

01-03-2023, 04:50 PM	#6724
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Holy crap! The Pennsylvania state house just elected a Democrat as Speaker after the GOP couldn't come to a consensus. He was nominated by two Republicans. After he was elected, he annouced that he would become an independent. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 05:42 PM	#6729
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	If McCarthy was half the man he thinks he is he'd already be lining up Dem votes and making it clear the Freedom Caucus can get some of what they want or none of what they want. The only reason this is chaos is that McCarthy is so transparently weak. The man needs to channel the spirit of LBJ. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-03-2023, 05:44 PM	#6730
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	THIS JUST IN: Grab-n-go pizza cancelled for House Rs tonight. pic.twitter.com/DHgpAlHhqR — Juliegrace Brufke (@juliegraceb) January 3, 2023 __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-03-2023, 05:56 PM	#6732
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	I consistently over-estimate GOP competence.

01-03-2023, 06:15 PM	#6733
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	What an embarrassment that Gosar and Gaetz have more trust in AOC than McCarthy! Just a moment... __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-03-2023, 06:17 PM	#6734
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Gaetz said the quiet part out loud. BREAKING: @MattGaetz says members were threatened with removal from committees if they don’t vote for Kevin McCarthy for Speaker. “I’m not here to participate in some puppet show.. I don’t want to relive the Benghazi experience where it’s just theatre pretending to be oversight” pic.twitter.com/arK1HSJMsi — ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 3, 2023 __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint Last edited by cartman : 01-03-2023 at 06:18 PM.

01-03-2023, 06:20 PM	#6735
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	One of McCarthy's people have suggested they would consider going to the Dems if necessary. I don't think the Dems are going to accept a deal with him. Another Republican maybe? Mike Mulkavy was suggesting Fred Upton on CNN, but I think that may be just a scare tactic. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk Last edited by GrantDawg : 01-03-2023 at 06:23 PM.

01-03-2023, 06:36 PM	#6736
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	Yeah can't see the Dems making any deal that gives McCarthy the Speakership. I mean he defied the Jan 6 Committee by ignoring their subpoena. How do Dems work with a Speaker like that? __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

01-03-2023, 07:20 PM	#6739
GrantDawg World Champion Mis-speller Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Covington, Ga.	Trump's decision to support him is what I think made MTG support him. I believe there was deal there that MTG was going to be Trump's voice in McCarthy's ear. Now Trump is quiet and probably won't make a statement till he can claim he was behind whoever wins all along. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk

01-03-2023, 08:24 PM	#6740
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I read that Justin Amash offered to be a unity speaker. I don’t see him as someone dems would vote for, but I just don’t see why McCarthy would spend years and years on this, get 95% of the vote he needs, and then give up. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

01-03-2023, 08:58 PM	#6741
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Amash has been very favorable to the insurgents, so I can't see him getting anywhere close to enough support. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

01-03-2023, 09:16 PM	#6742
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Santos posted a press release announcing he was sworn in today. He's certainly sticking to the script! __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

01-03-2023, 10:44 PM	#6746
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	Apparently Kevin McCarthy has already moved into the Speaker's office, which is pissing those voting against him off. Gaetz is trying to get him booted from the office since he isn't the speaker, and as Gaetz pointed out, didn't even get the most votes today. I just don't see either side backing down on this.

01-03-2023, 11:11 PM	#6747
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	I figure this will probably go to penalty kicks.

01-04-2023, 06:47 AM	#6750
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	Love it, thanks! The song "Burning Down The House" is also fitting. "Burning Down The House" Song by Talking Heads \| Music Charts Archive