NFL week 15 thread - Page 6

albionmoonlight · 12-17-2012, 08:01 AM

Is there any QB can pump fake like Roethlisberger? I've gotten used to watching Drew Brees, who is the master of the tiny little pump--a subtle little move to draw over the safety.

But Ben's hands are so big and strong that he can cock back and unload a pass that looks like it is going to to 75 yards in the air--and not let the ball go. I don't know of any other QB with the physical tools to pull that off--maybe Cam Newton? You need a base level of size and strength that I don't think many QBs have. It's impressive to watch, and it fools me every time.

Desnudo · 12-17-2012, 08:21 AM

Side affect of the Patriots loss is that the Texans could be playing subs in the last game of the season against the Colts, making the Colts a near lock for the playoffs.

Matthean · 12-17-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Desnudo

Side affect of the Patriots loss is that the Texans could be playing subs in the last game of the season against the Colts, making the Colts a near lock for the playoffs.

If Indy beats KC, they are in. Pitt is the 7th seed and two games behind.

nilodor · 12-17-2012, 02:39 PM

So if you're Washington would you deal in the offseason Cousins to try and get a high draft pick in the draft, or hold on to him to provide a competent backup in case Griffin gets hurt again, or more seriously?

It seems that they stand to do much better than the 4th round pick they paid to get Cousins in the first place, and at that they may be able to get significant assets (High draft pick + Solid player) for him given a few qb needy teams and recent trade history. Thoughts?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-17-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nilodor

It seems that they stand to do much better than the 4th round pick they paid to get Cousins in the first place, and at that they may be able to get significant assets (High draft pick + Solid player) for him given a few qb needy teams and recent trade history. Thoughts?

Just my first blush reaction is they probably ought to keep him. If there was some specific player in the draft they were totally sold on & he was available at just the right moment where a deal could be made then ... maybe. But not any earlier than that, there seems like too much of a chance that they could need Cousins themselves during a season to deal him for "random guy in Round X".

Logan · 12-17-2012, 02:47 PM

Saw someone mention on Twitter yesterday that Cousins' value right now would be at least a 2nd round pick.

albionmoonlight · 12-17-2012, 02:52 PM

It would help to make up for the bounty they gave up to get RGIII.

Passacaglia · 12-17-2012, 03:03 PM

Am I missing something? Cousins played one game against the Browns, right?

RainMaker · 12-17-2012, 03:05 PM

I would keep him unless I could get two picks in return (2nd and 3rd or 1st and 4th). If the Redskins like his game, he's a cheap backup to RGIII who has a style that may lead to frequent injuries. I'd compare it to the Kevin Kolb trade but Cousins may be more valuable since his contract is going to be so low for so long.

stevew · 12-17-2012, 03:06 PM

This is the same league where Charlie Whitehurst, AJ Feeley, Matt Cassell and god knows who else have gone for #2 picks.

stevew · 12-17-2012, 03:07 PM

dola-
As said above, Kevin Kolb

Matthean · 12-17-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Am I missing something? Cousins played one game against the Browns, right?

Matt Flynn says "hi."

I say keep him because you need a backup anyway, and I'm not sure how much I trust RGIII's health long term.

stevew · 12-17-2012, 05:33 PM

Redskins trade Cousins for Tebow and a #2. Everyone wins there. Skins have 0 fans that clamor for Tebow to start. But he provides a complementary backup to RG3. Cousins challenges Sanchez for the job and probably wins.

Skins getting Garcon back has been huge.

Jas_lov · 12-17-2012, 05:53 PM

I think the 4 best teams are clearly DEN-NE in the AFC and GB-SF in the NFC and it's interesting because those teams are pretty much locked into the #2 and #3 seeds, which means they'll play each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs. The only question is where will the game be played.

I think NE and DEN would be favored at HOU and GB and SF would be favored at ATL. The other possible wildcard threats were NYG and Pitt and they might not even make the playoffs. Don't see the other teams being able to beat the top 4 teams on the road. I think the 2/3 matchup in both leagues might be the true conference championship game.

rowech · 12-17-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

I think the 4 best teams are clearly DEN-NE in the AFC and GB-SF in the NFC and it's interesting because those teams are pretty much locked into the #2 and #3 seeds, which means they'll play each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs. The only question is where will the game be played.

I think NE and DEN would be favored at HOU and GB and SF would be favored at ATL. The other possible wildcard threats were NYG and Pitt and they might not even make the playoffs. Don't see the other teams being able to beat the top 4 teams on the road. I think the 2/3 matchup in both leagues might be the true conference championship game.

Think people should start to worry about Seattle.

Jas_lov · 12-17-2012, 06:30 PM

Seattle's not a good road team, though. It's likely that even if Seattle beats SF this week that Seattle will be the #5 and have to play 3 straight road games. I just don't see them winning in Atlanta, GB or SF with a rookie QB. Maybe they beat the NFC East Champ in the 1st round but no further.

BillJasper · 12-17-2012, 06:33 PM

Any team would be foolish to give up a second round draft pick for Kirk Cousins based on one game against the Browns.

JPhillips · 12-17-2012, 06:40 PM

So the good news is that the Bengals will all but lock up a playoff spot with a win against the Steelers. The bad news is, well, the Bengals have to beat the Steelers.

bulletsponge · 12-17-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

Any team would be foolish to give up a second round draft pick for Kirk Cousins based on one game against the Browns.

maybe, did he creep during camp?

jbergey22 · 12-17-2012, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

Think people should start to worry about Seattle.

Agree!

Solid defense, solid running game, and a qb that makes few errors and is improving every game out.

Wilson was such a clever draft pick. He did this very same way in leading Wisky to one of them best offenses in college football last year. He just knows how to move the chains without making mistakes.

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 08:34 PM

If I was a QB in the NFL, I would be embarrassed if I took the field with a wristband that had the plays on it.

Logan · 12-17-2012, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

If I was a QB in the NFL, I would be embarrassed if I took the field with a wristband that had the plays on it.

Like Brady?

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Like Brady?

Yep. He sucks.

bulletsponge · 12-17-2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Logan

Like Brady?

to be fair, those arnt plays, but phone #'s of supermodels

cuervo72 · 12-17-2012, 10:33 PM

Latino. Grossman.

Solecismic · 12-17-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

If I was a QB in the NFL, I would be embarrassed if I took the field with a wristband that had the plays on it.

It's just a translator to plays they've practiced that week. This enables the OC to get a play in by reading just one number - saves a few seconds.

That interception was brutal. I don't know what he thought he saw, but he has definitely regressed this year.

Solecismic · 12-17-2012, 10:38 PM

I think the poor kicker just roughed himself.

PilotMan · 12-17-2012, 10:38 PM

LMFAO!

kingfc22 · 12-17-2012, 10:38 PM

LOL at the Jets

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 10:38 PM

Heh. Fuck you Rex.

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 10:39 PM

Can't listen to Mike & Mike tomorrow.

ISiddiqui · 12-17-2012, 10:39 PM

So... seriously, can Tebow be worse than this?!

Danny · 12-17-2012, 10:39 PM

Jets may have ween if playing tebow and never attempting a pass

thesloppy · 12-17-2012, 10:42 PM

GOTdamn. As a Lions fan, there aren't many teams left that make me say "Well, at least I'm not a fan of THAT team", so uhhhhh, thanks for that Jets.

Abe Sargent · 12-17-2012, 10:45 PM

Are the Jets a JV sqaud or what?

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 10:48 PM

You will never see anything like that again.

Solecismic · 12-17-2012, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

So... seriously, can Tebow be worse than this?!

Healthy, not sure. But I don't think he even has his usual inaccurate arm at full use with the injury right now.

This does eliminate New York. Miami could get in at 8-8, but the Jets can not, because Pittsburgh holds the tiebreaker. Since Cincy and Pittsburgh play next week, any 8-8 tie for the second wild-card spot involves both Cincy and Pittsburgh (a tiebreaker Pittsburgh would hold). Miami would get in at 8-8 if it joined them. The AFC playoff picture is about as uncomplicated as I've ever seen with two full weeks remaining.

If Tebow can throw, he's starting next week.

stevew · 12-17-2012, 10:52 PM

Johnson had a 94yd TD and 20carries for 28yards.

spleen1015 · 12-17-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Johnson had a 94yd TD and 20carries for 28yards.

That's the way he always is.

Buccaneer · 12-17-2012, 11:12 PM

The 2012 NFL season is now complete. The Patriots and Broncos won their divisions, the Eagles and Jets were eliminated and Norv Turner/AJ Smith will be fired. The rest is all gravy.

Desnudo · 12-18-2012, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

Seattle's not a good road team, though. It's likely that even if Seattle beats SF this week that Seattle will be the #5 and have to play 3 straight road games. I just don't see them winning in Atlanta, GB or SF with a rookie QB. Maybe they beat the NFC East Champ in the 1st round but no further.

I was curious and the Seahawks haven't lost a game by more than 7 points all year. I think their defense gives them a shot no matter where.

Passacaglia · 12-18-2012, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Healthy, not sure. But I don't think he even has his usual inaccurate arm at full use with the injury right now.

This does eliminate New York. Miami could get in at 8-8, but the Jets can not, because Pittsburgh holds the tiebreaker. Since Cincy and Pittsburgh play next week, any 8-8 tie for the second wild-card spot involves both Cincy and Pittsburgh (a tiebreaker Pittsburgh would hold). Miami would get in at 8-8 if it joined them. The AFC playoff picture is about as uncomplicated as I've ever seen with two full weeks remaining.

If Tebow can throw, he's starting next week.

But after what happened a few years back, will Rex believe that they're eliminated?

JonInMiddleGA · 12-18-2012, 07:02 AM

If Tebow isn't starting next week he should just ask for his release.

miked · 12-18-2012, 10:02 AM

I can't believe anything would be worse than Sancheese. I don't know why week in and out, Rex feels that Sanchez gives his team "the best chance to win".

JediKooter · 12-18-2012, 10:39 AM

Yup, you can't tell me Buttfumble is better than Tebow at this point.

albionmoonlight · 12-18-2012, 11:25 AM

Sanchez's contract is guaranteed next season. The Jets's hands are pretty significantly tied with him right now.

spleen1015 · 12-18-2012, 11:26 AM

He is a $17 million cap hit for them next season if he stays on the team.

bulletsponge · 12-18-2012, 11:49 AM

i heard it was a 17 mil cap hit if they release him

stevew · 12-18-2012, 11:52 AM

He gets 9 million or so, no matter what

JediKooter · 12-18-2012, 12:20 PM

I wish I could get 9 million for throwing interceptions.

12-17-2012, 06:33 PM	#267
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12-17-2012, 06:40 PM	#268
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	So the good news is that the Bengals will all but lock up a playoff spot with a win against the Steelers. The bad news is, well, the Bengals have to beat the Steelers. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	If I was a QB in the NFL, I would be embarrassed if I took the field with a wristband that had the plays on it. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-17-2012, 10:33 PM	#275
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12-17-2012, 10:38 PM	#278
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12-17-2012, 08:01 AM	#251
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Is there any QB can pump fake like Roethlisberger? I've gotten used to watching Drew Brees, who is the master of the tiny little pump--a subtle little move to draw over the safety. But Ben's hands are so big and strong that he can cock back and unload a pass that looks like it is going to to 75 yards in the air--and not let the ball go. I don't know of any other QB with the physical tools to pull that off--maybe Cam Newton? You need a base level of size and strength that I don't think many QBs have. It's impressive to watch, and it fools me every time.

12-17-2012, 08:21 AM	#252
Desnudo Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Here and There	Side affect of the Patriots loss is that the Texans could be playing subs in the last game of the season against the Colts, making the Colts a near lock for the playoffs.

12-17-2012, 02:39 PM	#254
nilodor College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: calgary, AB	So if you're Washington would you deal in the offseason Cousins to try and get a high draft pick in the draft, or hold on to him to provide a competent backup in case Griffin gets hurt again, or more seriously? It seems that they stand to do much better than the 4th round pick they paid to get Cousins in the first place, and at that they may be able to get significant assets (High draft pick + Solid player) for him given a few qb needy teams and recent trade history. Thoughts?

12-17-2012, 02:47 PM	#256
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	Saw someone mention on Twitter yesterday that Cousins' value right now would be at least a 2nd round pick.

12-17-2012, 02:52 PM	#257
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	It would help to make up for the bounty they gave up to get RGIII.

12-17-2012, 03:03 PM	#258
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Am I missing something? Cousins played one game against the Browns, right?

12-17-2012, 03:05 PM	#259
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I would keep him unless I could get two picks in return (2nd and 3rd or 1st and 4th). If the Redskins like his game, he's a cheap backup to RGIII who has a style that may lead to frequent injuries. I'd compare it to the Kevin Kolb trade but Cousins may be more valuable since his contract is going to be so low for so long.

12-17-2012, 03:06 PM	#260
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	This is the same league where Charlie Whitehurst, AJ Feeley, Matt Cassell and god knows who else have gone for #2 picks.

12-17-2012, 03:07 PM	#261
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	dola- As said above, Kevin Kolb

12-17-2012, 05:33 PM	#263
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Redskins trade Cousins for Tebow and a #2. Everyone wins there. Skins have 0 fans that clamor for Tebow to start. But he provides a complementary backup to RG3. Cousins challenges Sanchez for the job and probably wins. Skins getting Garcon back has been huge.

12-17-2012, 05:53 PM	#264
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	I think the 4 best teams are clearly DEN-NE in the AFC and GB-SF in the NFC and it's interesting because those teams are pretty much locked into the #2 and #3 seeds, which means they'll play each other in the 2nd round of the playoffs. The only question is where will the game be played. I think NE and DEN would be favored at HOU and GB and SF would be favored at ATL. The other possible wildcard threats were NYG and Pitt and they might not even make the playoffs. Don't see the other teams being able to beat the top 4 teams on the road. I think the 2/3 matchup in both leagues might be the true conference championship game.

12-17-2012, 06:30 PM	#266
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	Seattle's not a good road team, though. It's likely that even if Seattle beats SF this week that Seattle will be the #5 and have to play 3 straight road games. I just don't see them winning in Atlanta, GB or SF with a rookie QB. Maybe they beat the NFC East Champ in the 1st round but no further.

12-17-2012, 10:38 PM	#277
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	I think the poor kicker just roughed himself.

12-17-2012, 10:38 PM	#279
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	LOL at the Jets __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

12-17-2012, 10:38 PM	#280
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Heh. Fuck you Rex. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-17-2012, 10:39 PM	#281
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	Can't listen to Mike & Mike tomorrow. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-17-2012, 10:39 PM	#282
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	So... seriously, can Tebow be worse than this?! __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

12-17-2012, 10:39 PM	#283
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Jets may have ween if playing tebow and never attempting a pass

12-17-2012, 10:42 PM	#284
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	GOTdamn. As a Lions fan, there aren't many teams left that make me say "Well, at least I'm not a fan of THAT team", so uhhhhh, thanks for that Jets. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

12-17-2012, 10:45 PM	#285
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12-17-2012, 10:48 PM	#286
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	You will never see anything like that again. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-17-2012, 10:52 PM	#288
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Johnson had a 94yd TD and 20carries for 28yards.

12-17-2012, 11:12 PM	#290
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	The 2012 NFL season is now complete. The Patriots and Broncos won their divisions, the Eagles and Jets were eliminated and Norv Turner/AJ Smith will be fired. The rest is all gravy.

12-18-2012, 07:02 AM	#293
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	If Tebow isn't starting next week he should just ask for his release. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

12-18-2012, 10:02 AM	#294
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12-18-2012, 10:39 AM	#295
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12-18-2012, 11:25 AM	#296
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	Sanchez's contract is guaranteed next season. The Jets's hands are pretty significantly tied with him right now.

12-18-2012, 11:26 AM	#297
spleen1015 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003	He is a $17 million cap hit for them next season if he stays on the team. __________________ Why choose failure when success is an option?

12-18-2012, 11:49 AM	#298
bulletsponge Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: TX	i heard it was a 17 mil cap hit if they release him

12-18-2012, 11:52 AM	#299
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	He gets 9 million or so, no matter what