The Trump Presidency – 2016

[PilotMan]

So I really don't think that his support among R's matters that much.

People in that group are being sampled from the places where his supporters already are. It's sort of like the this:

At first a pool is full of water. Over time, water evaporates and the water becomes more nasty.

trump's group is still in the pool, they are still supportive of him, and they are a very homogeneous and reliable sample.

What those samples and polls are missing is that a great amount of water has evaporated and the volume of that population is substantially smaller than it used to be.

So basically, trump's supporters are now just mired in a cesspool of political dysfunction. Literally.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

And we might have one tomorrow. Trump tax return cases may finally be ruled on by the Supreme Court

Looks like I misunderstood what they would be releasing today-it was cases they are going to hear/not hear-one that they will hear has to do with the Mueller Report. Likely won't be decided until next year though.

Monday should be the next time decisions are announced.

[Lathum]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/613690/

[Ksyrup]

Four months. Plenty of time for momentum to swing - several times.

[GrantDawg]

This is not an out-on-a-limb prediction at all: The polls will tighten. It always happens, and even as weird as this situation is, it will happen this time as well. I can already see what is going to happen. The polls will start to tighten, and all the news media will jump on the "what is Biden doing wrong?" "Why is Biden failing?" etc.With that coming from everywhere, the numbers will start getting even closer. It is so predictable.

[thesloppy]

I love that there is a school of conservative conspiracists out there conspiring that this Ghislaine Maxwell arrest is somehow the result of Barr's unquenchable thirst for justice & getting rid of the NYSD prosecutor was a part of that, while entirely ignoring that Barr did not get to pick the replacement prosecutor as he had hoped & Barr's father literally got Epstein his teaching gig. Whatever the particulars are, I do hope Maxwell's arrest ends up with a little more clarity & closure rather than just expanding into a bigger Scooby Doo mystery (probably wishful thinking).

[Ksyrup]

I saw something from an ex-SDNY prosecutor that the fact this was assigned to the Public Corruption unit is significant because these types of cases would usually be assigned to Sex Crimes unit unless something involves a public official.

[Ksyrup]

Just read the Politico article about Tucker Carlson as GOP frontrunner in 2024 and am about ready to blow my brains out.

I mean...

“Tucker Carlson Tonight” is currently the most watched cable news program in history, according to the second quarter ratings released this week.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Just read the Politico article about Tucker Carlson as GOP frontrunner in 2024 and am about ready to blow my brains out.

I mean...

I can see the "Sucker for Tucker" T-Shirts being printed right now...

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has a new shirt design.

OH COME ON pic.twitter.com/6divzAkVkK

— LuxuryAvenueHat (@Popehat) July 2, 2020

Isn't this symbol on the dollar bill?

I know what the campaign stands for but maybe that was their inspiration?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

So, is there someone on the inside that is intentionally trolling Trump here? Or is the only hope of re-election to go all-out, pedal to the metal extreme-right fascism and hope it ends in a Republic of Gilead? I mean, I would not be surprised at all if Trump saw this and didn't put two and two together, but anybody else with even a basic level of intelligence surely would.

There were some Mueller interviews released the other day and someone talked about how the campaign folks loved the Turner Diaries.

[IlliniCub]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Just read the Politico article about Tucker Carlson as GOP frontrunner in 2024 and am about ready to blow my brains out.

I mean...

I see Rubio making subtle moves to distance himself and gain position for 2024. Personally, my hope for either party is that it's a candidate that has to actually live with the world they leave behind for a while after leaving office. I'm ready for some younger candidates in the Whitehouse.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Isn't this symbol on the dollar bill?

I know what the campaign stands for but maybe that was their inspiration?

The Presidential Eagle seal I think is in your dollar bill. With the eagle holding an olive branch and arrows.

This one is eerily posed like like the Nazi Eagle from WW2.

[sabotai]

Back of the dollar bill, for reference (needing an image search to see what the back of a dollar bill looks like instead of everyone just already having one on them to check is a very 21st century problem I guess)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...2C_reverse.jpg

I'm gonna go with "no, not really the same"

[sabotai]

dola,

And again, for comparison, the Nazi Eagle Crest

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%931945%29.svg

[Atocep]

The fundraising numbers must be getting to the Trump campaign. I've received at least 10 emails over the past 24 hours letting me know they're extending my donation deadline by an hour for the last time.

[Ksyrup]

I was reading through Twitter comments on various Redskins/Indians things and came across the quintessential Trump supporter comment. I mean, this pretty much sums up the whole movement:

If the Indians dont like it let them go back to where they came from!!! TRUMP 2020!!!

— TRUMPMAN (@TRUMPMA46923250) July 3, 2020

I read through some of his posts and it's not a parody account.

[cuervo72]

I'm still not convinced he's not just funneling campaign money somewhere besides the campaign.

[JPhillips]

According to FEC filings Trump's campaign has already burned through 700 million. So, yeah, where did that money go?

[AlexB]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

According to FEC filings Trump's campaign has already burned through 700 million. So, yeah, where did that money go?

Originally Posted by JPhillips

Trump has a new shirt design.

OH COME ON pic.twitter.com/6divzAkVkK

— LuxuryAvenueHat (@Popehat) July 2, 2020

Just a guess

[cuervo72]

So is the idea that campaign contributions are going to produce hats, shirts, etc. and then those proceeds go to private entities? (I don't know if that's the case, but I sure wouldn't doubt it.)

[JPhillips]

WH seemingly giving up and running with new "we have to live with it" COVID messaging.

American exceptionalism means we can't solve any problems.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

So is the idea that campaign contributions are going to produce hats, shirts, etc. and then those proceeds go to private entities? (I don't know if that's the case, but I sure wouldn't doubt it.)

We know payments are going to Donald and Eric along with their girlfriend/wife and Parscale took in $100 million for the 2016 campaign so you can only imagine what he's taking now. We also know Trump is charging the campaign for use of his properties and he's paying attorney's large amounts of money to fight his legal battles.

Campaign money is flying around everywhere and they've made it impossible to track because they created an "independent production company" called American Made Media Consultants that they funnel money through.

Trump still has a huge cash on hand lead, but it's difficult to even guess what that means considering how they seem to spend their money. What will be interesting is how willing the campaign is to help with Congressional races if Trump is still way down in the polls as we get closer to November. That money was used to keep people in line during the mid-terms.

[ISiddiqui]

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/...847095809?s=21

I like using Trump's words against him (They could do a fantastic job if they used his tweets)

[Lathum]

Is there any doubt Trumps fireworks are going to cause a wildfire that will be blamed on the indigenous people lighting them to try and make him look bad?

[stevew]

If he loses he’ll just keep fundraising for 2024 cause it’s free money anyways.

[kingfc22]

Kimberly Guilfoyle tests positive for coronavirus | TheHill

Still all a hoax.

[Brian Swartz]

[NobodyHere]

Trump steps back, done with being 'daily voice' of coronavirus response


That's a shame

[Chief Rum]

Scary and believable possibility.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-trump-c...pinion-1513975

[Drake]

I'm trying to figure out why all of my conservative friends who swore off watching the NFL in 2019 are so pissed off about the NFL playing the black national anthem before Week 1 games.

Do people normally get pissed off about things happening at sporting events they don't watch?

Or is this just another case of everything is a con?

ETA: In all fairness, most of these folks I know seem to be in the same demographic that has been unsuccessfully swearing off the evils of television since the mid-1980s because of the corrupt/sinful/gay Hollywood agenda. I realize that I lean pretty left compared to most of my religious Midwestern compatriots, but they seem to watch a ton more television than I do, and I haven't even tried to swear it off.

[NobodyHere]

Many people (including me) don't like woke politics barging in on their entertainement.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Many people (including me) don't like woke politics barging in on their entertainment.

Unintentionally spot on.

SI

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

Unintentionally spot on.

SI

explains yourself, sir!

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

explains yourself, sir!

Many people (including me) don't like woke politics barging in on their entertainment.

The "woke" part is the silent part when most people say "I don't like politics in my sports" or "stick to basketball/football/whatever".

Everything in life has some inherent politics to it like, say, a sporting event with honor the troops or military flyovers. It's not that someone minds politics at an event, just ones they disagree with, "woke" ones.

SI

[NobodyHere]

So it looks like i was saying the truth without hiding anything.

[ISiddiqui]

Originally Posted by Drake

Or is this just another case of everything is a con?

This. They never stopped watching.

[Drake]

God Bless America during the 7th inning stretch is still okay though, right?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

This. They never stopped watching.

I'll admit, the primary teams in my area are the Browns and the Lions, so saying I'll not be watching professional football doesn't mean anything .

[JPhillips]

The NFL has been swimming in militaristic politics for decades.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I'll admit, the primary teams in my area are the Browns and the Lions, so saying I'll not be watching professional football doesn't mean anything .

I have so many Lions/Brows fans on my FB that I want to share this with.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

So it looks like i was saying the truth without hiding anything.

Most people don't say the quiet part loud

SI

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by Drake

I'm trying to figure out why all of my conservative friends who swore off watching the NFL in 2019 are so pissed off about the NFL playing the black national anthem before Week 1 games.

Do people normally get pissed off about things happening at sporting events they don't watch?

Or is this just another case of everything is a con?

ETA: In all fairness, most of these folks I know seem to be in the same demographic that has been unsuccessfully swearing off the evils of television since the mid-1980s because of the corrupt/sinful/gay Hollywood agenda. I realize that I lean pretty left compared to most of my religious Midwestern compatriots, but they seem to watch a ton more television than I do, and I haven't even tried to swear it off.

Probably same reason why so many people saying they were going to emigrate to Canada and elsewhere never did after the Trump victory.

Emotions getting ahead of their brains.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

We know payments are going to Donald and Eric along with their girlfriend/wife and Parscale took in $100 million for the 2016 campaign so you can only imagine what he's taking now. We also know Trump is charging the campaign for use of his properties and he's paying attorney's large amounts of money to fight his legal battles.

Campaign money is flying around everywhere and they've made it impossible to track because they created an "independent production company" called American Made Media Consultants that they funnel money through.

Trump still has a huge cash on hand lead, but it's difficult to even guess what that means considering how they seem to spend their money. What will be interesting is how willing the campaign is to help with Congressional races if Trump is still way down in the polls as we get closer to November. That money was used to keep people in line during the mid-terms.

They bought up all his failsons books too.

I still think he would make way more out of office than in.

If he was smart, he would turn his cult following into a religion. No taxes and a 10% tithe.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Edward64

Probably same reason why so many people saying they were going to emigrate to Canada and elsewhere never did after the Trump victory.

Emotions getting ahead of their brains.

FYI: It's also very hard to emigrate to another country and become a citizen

SI

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

FYI: It's also very hard to emigrate to another country and become a citizen

SI

Yes. People on the left and the right claim that they will "Move to [X] if [Y] happens."

It is nice to see that, whatever our differences, we are united in our unquestioned belief that, as Americans, we can move wherever we want and any country would jump for joy at taking us in.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by sterlingice

FYI: It's also very hard to emigrate to another country and become a citizen

SI

Sure, most countries have X years requirement to be citizen but being a permanent resident (or equivalent) is easier.

Canada is merit based immigration. It actually is one of the easier countries to emigrate to. Admittedly it may have changed but I looked into it back in the 00's, answered the questions, and scored enough points.

FWIW, most countries would not accept illegals and making them legal en masse. They rather have the skills or $.

[JPhillips]

Has @BubbaWallace apologized to all of those great NASCAR drivers & officials who came to his aid, stood by his side, & were willing to sacrifice everything for him, only to find out that the whole thing was just another HOAX? That & Flag decision has caused lowest ratings EVER!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 6, 2020

At this point, I think it's even money that he complains that blacks can say the n word while whites can't.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Many people (including me) don't like woke politics barging in on their entertainement.

More like "Don't like politics we don't agree with", neh?

[Lathum]

At this point he has to be trying to lose? I mean, he is pandering to his shrinking base and doubling down. Not even trying to appeal to a bigger group.