2008 NFL Draft Thread-Jake Long Goes #1 - Page 4

VPI97 · 04-26-2008, 02:21 PM

Horrible, horrible pick

Par for the course for the Falcons, though.

DaddyTorgo · 04-26-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Matt Ryan, 3rd overall ... and he'll have a less productive NFL career than Joey Harrington.

Write it down.

Wager on it?

JonInMiddleGA · 04-26-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

Horseshit right back at you. The club fights were trying to stop his brothers and he never ran from the paternity stuff (which is going to have zero effect on football).

What a shock, you're going to excuse his ethical lapses

I'll take his number of suspensions, you take his number of pro bowls, we'll see which one ends up with the bigger number.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I think so, too. He can immediately become productive and be the face of one of these down-trodden franchises.

That said, I think it will be better for him to go to a team that is not in the Southeast, so that he is more than a car ride away from his buddies.

I don't disagree. The problem with McFadden has always been in his company. If you think I'm the only saying this, by the way, then you A) don't know the stories very well, B) haven't been paying attention to the experts even this morning who have said as much.

I'm sure those paternity suits are not going to be much of a factor.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

What a shock, you're going to excuse his ethical lapses

I'll take his number of suspensions, you take his number of pro bowls, we'll see which one ends up with the bigger number.

What a shock, you're going to trot the old "of course you'd defend him" line because you have no leg to stand on. His "ethical" lapses are nothing of the sort and will have no effect on his football career. Again, this how teams miss out on big talents in these drafts.

edit: and I'd take that bet on the pro bowls/suspensions in a heartbeat.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-26-2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

Horseshit right back at you. The club fights were trying to stop his brothers and he never ran from the paternity stuff (which is going to have zero effect on football).

edit: being paralyzed by fear over non-issues on one of the best RBs to ever come through the draft (a paraphrase from several experts quite recently) is how teams wind up drafting busts instead of future stars.

I agree with the character issues being non-issues, but I haven't heard any experts call him the best RB to ever come through the draft. He certainly is the best this year. Have any links to where they call him the best to ever come through the draft?

edit: or even one of the best RB's to ever come through the draft.

Swaggs · 04-26-2008, 02:26 PM

By the way, am I the only one that gets motivated to play about 10 seasons of FOF every draft weekend?

Thomkal · 04-26-2008, 02:26 PM

See Cronin, didn't I tell you all along in your mock drafts that the Falcons would go QB?

Had to be tough for them not to go Dorsey there though really, but it just made more sense with a new coach to go with a QB he wanted rather than what was left behind. Hope it works out for Atlanta and Ryan. He seems like a really good young man, and Atlanta sure could use some good news for a change.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-26-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

MJ4H, I think I found somebody who says its DMC's character that's the problem. This guy in Georgia, the middle part.

Along with virtually every person who has written about the guy for months.
I love this quote in particular, where one scout said "McFadden has elite football character"

Haven't I seen that phrase in another football player thread here earlier today?

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eaglesfan27

I agree with the character issues being non-issues, but I haven't heard any experts call him the best RB to ever come through the draft. He certainly is the best this year. Have any links to where the call him the best to ever come through the draft?

Guy on the pre-draft show said he may be one of the best to ever come through the draft on ESPN.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:28 PM

Good pick Oakland. At least it wasn't Atlanta.

Raiders Army · 04-26-2008, 02:28 PM

Please trade Jordan and Rhodes now, thanks.

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

I think Felix Jones has a better pro career then McFadden

Raiders Army · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

Well, at least Madden will be fun to play this year.

Swaggs · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

Four picks in 28-minutes.

I'm liking this.

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

dola-I don't really think that, I just wanna get MJ4H fired up

Noop · 04-26-2008, 02:29 PM

I like that Raider hat he matches my shoes.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think Felix Jones has a better pro career then McFadden

Doubt it, but I wouldn't count out the possibility. A lot of people don't realize how good Felix Jones really is. The biggest question is his durability because he's never been the guy.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

dola-I don't really think that, I just wanna get MJ4H fired up

haha I love them both.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-26-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Four picks in 28-minutes.

I'm liking this.

Agreed. I hated the start time (and having the first 4 picks essential confirmed before the broadcast) but I love the 10 minutes per pick as the flow is much better.

Dunleavy · 04-26-2008, 02:32 PM

KCC and NOS have make a trade here right? unless NOS already traded there 2nd (behind close doors) for Shockey

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:33 PM

Id like to see KC pick up Dorsey here.

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunleavy

KCC and NOS have make a trade here right? unless NOS already traded there 2nd (behind close doors) for Shockey

JB, is that you?

JonInMiddleGA · 04-26-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MattJones4Heisman

What a shock, you're going to trot the old "of course you'd defend him" line because you have no leg to stand on. His "ethical" lapses are nothing of the sort and will have no effect on his football career.

I have absolutely no problem standing on the basis of the facts.

-- His involvement in his brother's nightclub incidents is a character issue
-- Having children by three different women (or two if the first is lying) is a character issue
-- Having to be sued over paternal responsibilities is a character issue.

And this isn't the first time we've seen you reveal your own lack of character defending the indefensible simply because Hawg U is involved.

st.cronin · 04-26-2008, 02:35 PM

Its got to be annoying for Arkansas fans that Jones left early too.

Dunleavy · 04-26-2008, 02:36 PM

did KCC turn down the 10th, a 2nd this year and a 1st next year from NOS? seemed like a fair offer for a team completly rebuilding

Swaggs · 04-26-2008, 02:36 PM

KC is on their way to an "A" draft grade.

Great luck and great pick.

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:36 PM

I really wish they wouldn't show the guy celebrating on the phone before the pick is made. It totaly kills any suspense there may be.

DaddyTorgo · 04-26-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I really wish they wouldn't show the guy celebrating on the phone before the pick is made. It totaly kills any suspense there may be.

agreed

although with dorsey you couldn't tell - he seemed way more reserved

JAG · 04-26-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunleavy

did KCC turn down the 10th, a 2nd this year and a 1st next year from NOS? seemed like a fair offer for a team completly rebuilding

More than fair to me. It's possible NO will make the pick KC wants at 10 before doing the trade.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I have absolutely no problem standing on the basis of the facts.

-- His involvement in his brother's nightclub incidents is a character issue

no it isn't.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

-- Having children by three different women (or two if the first is lying) is a character issue

not one that involves or will affect football. I agree that this is a blemish on his overall character, but to say this will affect his NFL career is just, frankly, stupid.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

-- Having to be sued over paternal responsibilities is a character issue.

he has not run from these responsibilities. he has faced them head on.

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

And this isn't the first time we've seen you reveal your own lack of character defending the indefensible simply because Hawg U is involved.

This isn't the first time we've seen you act like an ass when you don't know what you're talking about and blame it on blindness to a university. I could sit here and take your shit, but the fact is you don't have a fucking clue. You are wrong about this and you were wrong about Bobby Petrino.

Frankly I don't give a shit whether you like it or not. It is amusing to watch you shit your pants whenever you get challenged on an issue though. Particularly one where you clearly don't know as much about as others involved. Keep tossing the shit around though.

Ryche · 04-26-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JAG

More than fair to me. It's possible NO will make the pick KC wants at 10 before doing the trade.

Yeah, could be contingent on who is there at 10.

kcchief19 · 04-26-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

KC is on their way to an "A" draft grade.

Great luck and great pick.

I'm withholding judgment until No. 17. If Clady falls to there as some project, we'll be on our way to that A grade. I'm afraid we're going to take Branden Albert if he's there -- and taking a college guard and making him a tackle isn't a good idea.

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Its got to be annoying for Arkansas fans that Jones left early too.

Not really annoying, no. We all knew it was coming for the biggest part of the season. These guys are both stars and we got a lot of good out of them (though most of the "good" was just prolonging Nutt's tenure rather than any real good). We are mostly happy to see them making good.

JonInMiddleGA · 04-26-2008, 02:46 PM

MJ4H -- Not only am I not wrong about any of those things, but I also wasn't wrong when I correctly nailed your lack of character during the Petrino incident.
You are precisely what I knew you were - devoid of character and a truly pathetic excuse for a human being.

Swaggs · 04-26-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

I'm withholding judgment until No. 17. If Clady falls to there as some project, we'll be on our way to that A grade. I'm afraid we're going to take Branden Albert if he's there -- and taking a college guard and making him a tackle isn't a good idea.

Even if Albert "only" ends up as a guard, that will still be a solid pick, in my opinion.

kcchief19 · 04-26-2008, 02:48 PM

No real surprises in the first six picks, maybe just some question about the order of Dorsey/Gholston/Long. New England begins the real question marks.

JetsIn06 · 04-26-2008, 02:49 PM

Welcome to NY Vernon!

MJ4H · 04-26-2008, 02:49 PM

And you are precisely what I knew you were. An asshole that can't stand someone pointing out why they are wrong. Notice that you are the one that started making this personal. Notice that you haven't rebutted any of the counterpoints I made to your points. Also notice that since you can't actually discuss anything brought up intelligently without turning it into a personal attack douchebag conversation, you are permanently ignored, and I hope you choke on your own crusty cigarette smoked black lungs you fucking prick.

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

MJ4H -- Not only am I not wrong about any of those things, but I also wasn't wrong when I correctly nailed your lack of character during the Petrino incident.
You are precisely what I knew you were - devoid of character and a truly pathetic excuse for a human being.

we get your point. now please stop causing problems

kcchief19 · 04-26-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Even if Albert "only" ends up as a guard, that will still be a solid pick, in my opinion.

But a first round pick on a guard? Not sure I can live with that value. I just can't see taking even the best interior o-linemen in the first round, especially when both RT and LT are disasters.

Sublime 2 · 04-26-2008, 02:51 PM

Nice...Pats trade down!

Eaglesfan27 · 04-26-2008, 02:52 PM

I wonder if the Saints take Sedrick Ellis here?

Dunleavy · 04-26-2008, 02:52 PM

what did they have to give up

btw Albert looks like a really good prospect, better then Clady imho.

Arles · 04-26-2008, 02:52 PM

Great move by NE to move down. There are 2-3 good corners here.

MikeVic · 04-26-2008, 02:53 PM

So I can't find a channel here that's showing it. Fuck this late start time.

Whenever I refresh NFL.com's live tracking, picks are sometimes missing, then show up, then disappear. Great going NFL.

Eaglesfan27 · 04-26-2008, 02:53 PM

YES! Another USC guy on the Saints. Making it more fun to root for my adopted team.

Swaggs · 04-26-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kcchief19

But a first round pick on a guard? Not sure I can live with that value. I just can't see taking even the best interior o-linemen in the first round, especially when both RT and LT are disasters.

Agreed, but even sure thing OTs can be busts. You give Albert a shot at LT for two seasons, but if he isn't up to it, you hope he can be a solid OG starter (I know the Steelers love him as an OG).

Lathum · 04-26-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVic

So I can't find a channel here that's showing it. Fuck this late start time.

Whenever I refresh NFL.com's live tracking, picks are sometimes missing, then show up, then disappear. Great going NFL.

espn?

Sublime 2 · 04-26-2008, 02:54 PM

Wow...The Jags vaulting up to #8

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VPI97 Hokie, Hokie, Hokie, Hi Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Kennesaw, GA	Horrible, horrible pick Par for the course for the Falcons, though. __________________ CT & Jivin - "Surprisingly Entertaining"

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Dunleavy High School JV Join Date: Sep 2004	did KCC turn down the 10th, a 2nd this year and a 1st next year from NOS? seemed like a fair offer for a team completly rebuilding

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Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I really wish they wouldn't show the guy celebrating on the phone before the pick is made. It totaly kills any suspense there may be.

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MJ4H Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hog Country	And you are precisely what I knew you were. An asshole that can't stand someone pointing out why they are wrong. Notice that you are the one that started making this personal. Notice that you haven't rebutted any of the counterpoints I made to your points. Also notice that since you can't actually discuss anything brought up intelligently without turning it into a personal attack douchebag conversation, you are permanently ignored, and I hope you choke on your own crusty cigarette smoked black lungs you fucking prick. __________________ My YouTube channel My Twitch channel My Sharona

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Dunleavy High School JV Join Date: Sep 2004	what did they have to give up btw Albert looks like a really good prospect, better then Clady imho.

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