OOTP 9 - First Screenshots!

[kq76]

dola..

Regardless of the solution it strikes me as odd that the game would react so strongly to a dip in ratings. For example, way back when weights weren't given to stats at all (all to ratings), would a star player who took a dip suddenly see himself in the minors? If we're seeing this problem with 0 weight given to ratings, how bad is it when say 50% weight is given to ratings? These solutions should help early in the season especially, but I'm guessing you'll still see a problem when you give lots of weight to ratings.

[Markus Heinsohn]

Originally Posted by kq76

dola..

Regardless of the solution it strikes me as odd that the game would react so strongly to a dip in ratings. For example, way back when weights weren't given to stats at all (all to ratings), would a star player who took a dip suddenly see himself in the minors? If we're seeing this problem with 0 weight given to ratings, how bad is it when say 50% weight is given to ratings? These solutions should help early in the season especially, but I'm guessing you'll still see a problem when you give lots of weight to ratings.

There are other factors as well, for example the contract, pro experience etc...

If there are no stats at all. the ratings are entirely used. By the way, stats include minor league stats as well (equivalencies applied), so everything is covered properly.

[Galaril]

One question I have is related the mlb Setup and the stadium dimensions for real teams in MLB. I can't remember in past versions if they were already included but for this one since the game comes with real rosters will real stadium dimensions be included? This is always a huge consideration since it generally has a huge an effect on players really performance?

[kq76]

Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

There are other factors as well, for example the contract, pro experience etc...

If there are no stats at all. the ratings are entirely used. By the way, stats include minor league stats as well (equivalencies applied), so everything is covered properly.

Okay. As long as you given it another look.

I just have suspicions there might be something wrong with what the game does with the valuation not just how it comes up with the valuation itself.

[BIGdaddy]

Sure would like to see hitting streaks back on the stats leader board....

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Galaril

One question I have is related the mlb Setup and the stadium dimensions for real teams in MLB. I can't remember in past versions if they were already included but for this one since the game comes with real rosters will real stadium dimensions be included? This is always a huge consideration since it generally has a huge an effect on players really performance?

I have a spreadsheet that lists this stuff for stadium dimensions and I've posted over there before if you search for it, you'll find it or PM me over there and I'll link you to it (darkcloud4579)

[Mantle2600]

Damnit I could'nt resist. I hope it's not disappointing like 2006 was for me.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

I have a spreadsheet that lists this stuff for stadium dimensions and I've posted over there before if you search for it, you'll find it or PM me over there and I'll link you to it (darkcloud4579)

But doesn't all the info still have to be manually entered for every stadium for each new association? Or can it just be put in a folder where the game will read it?

[Young Drachma]

Originally Posted by Galaril

But doesn't all the info still have to be manually entered for every stadium for each new association? Or can it just be put in a folder where the game will read it?

Yeah, manually.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by Dark Cloud

Yeah, manually.

Thanks for that info on the spreadsheet but that was what I was getting at as far as adding in these different stadiums ever time you have a new association. I really am surprised that more people don't bitch about this stadium dimensions stuff since as picky as the sports text sim community can be (and rightly so) about minor details this seems like a fairly signifcant one. If any of the games PS, DDTB, or OOTP are really trying to target folks who won't to play a MLB style game historically than stadiums are huge. Just look at Fenway Park and say the old Phillies stadium Veterans Park or the Astrodome. Now those places gave some vastly different player stats.

[Huckleberry]

Markus -

Will there be a league prestige rating now if you're running multiple separate leagues?

I'm interested in running a promotion/relegation league but want to make sure that players will sign at the highest level they can (if they can expect playing time). I realize that time-intensive editing of financials can accomplish it at this point, but will league prestige be an editable field?

[korme]

That's a good idea Huck.

[Anthony]

i don't see myself getting much out of a league prestige rating, and wouldn't want that to delay the release or compound the possible issues/bugs in the game. if you want relegation go play a soccer sim. i would much rather time and engergy be focused on making the game mirror professional baseball as it is currently played in real life.

[Ksyrup]

Aside from bug issues, I don't want Markus considering any issues right now other than getting the game ready for release ASAP.

[Huckleberry]

Originally Posted by Hell Atlantic

i don't see myself getting much out of a league prestige rating, and wouldn't want that to delay the release or compound the possible issues/bugs in the game. if you want relegation go play a soccer sim. i would much rather time and engergy be focused on making the game mirror professional baseball as it is currently played in real life.

1. A baseball game that markets its ability to replay historical seasons really should have a league prestige rating. There were multiple major leagues in the past and at one point were three major leagues including the Federal League. The particular reason I want to see it is actually irrelevant.
2. From what I understand, the game already has a league prestige rating that it calculates based on talent level, etc. that players utilize when making their decision on where to sign. Making this an editable field shouldn't be that difficult.
3. Not sure why this would concern you as far as bugs or other issues go. You clearly would not be running multiple top-level leagues so this wouldn't affect your enjoyment at all either way.
4. My hope is that this wouldn't take very long to do. In no way do I wish to see this hamper the overall game development process. If a game is going to offer customization then what's the problem with asking if one more setting is customizable? If you want to run a universe that is simply a carbon copy of real life then have at it. As stated above, this won't affect you one bit.

And for the record, this question has been asked before. This is not a new idea that is just now being suggested. It's an improvement request that has been around for at least two years. Without an extensive feature list it's just a question that I wanted the answer to. If the answer is no I'm not going to scream at Markus until it gets added. Hell, I've already pre-ordered under the assumption that it's not a customizable field.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Aside from bug issues, I don't want Markus considering any issues right now other than getting the game ready for release ASAP.

exactly.

the game is probably a month away from being released, let him tighten up the game and resolve any last remaining issues (until the general public finds all the other bugs) instead of even thinking about new features, however small they may be.

i don't think there is a very large segment of the OOTP buying public that utilizes multiple leagues in their careers. i want a game that does a great job on the MLB before it starts to think about foreign leagues.

[Huckleberry]

I simply asked if there will be an editable league prestige rating.

You replied that you really don't want him adding one.

Did I ask him to add that capability if it doesn't already exist? I asked him if it is in OOTP9. Nowhere did I ask him to add it before release if it's not already there.

Although all of a sudden I'm considering starting a crusade on the OOTP boards for it to be added before OOTP9 is released just for the hell of it.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

1. A baseball game that markets its ability to replay historical seasons really should have a league prestige rating. There were multiple major leagues in the past and at one point were three major leagues including the Federal League. The particular reason I want to see it is actually irrelevant.
2. From what I understand, the game already has a league prestige rating that it calculates based on talent level, etc. that players utilize when making their decision on where to sign. Making this an editable field shouldn't be that difficult.
3. Not sure why this would concern you as far as bugs or other issues go. You clearly would not be running multiple top-level leagues so this wouldn't affect your enjoyment at all either way.
4. My hope is that this wouldn't take very long to do. In no way do I wish to see this hamper the overall game development process. If a game is going to offer customization then what's the problem with asking if one more setting is customizable? If you want to run a universe that is simply a carbon copy of real life then have at it. As stated above, this won't affect you one bit.

And for the record, this question has been asked before. This is not a new idea that is just now being suggested. It's an improvement request that has been around for at least two years. Without an extensive feature list it's just a question that I wanted the answer to. If the answer is no I'm not going to scream at Markus until it gets added. Hell, I've already pre-ordered under the assumption that it's not a customizable field.

It's just a hellish feature to implement and has the potential to screw a lot of things up. Do we not remember the abortion that was 2006 when everyone jumped in with grandiose ideas for the game? It needs to get back to some semblance of real baseball and real leagues. There is a reason this game has sold for crap the last few years, and it's because ideas like that are put ahead of fixes for those who just want to run a regular baseball league.

[Huckleberry]

And I disagree that it's hellish to implement and that it would have any effect on someone that wants to run a league that mimics modern major league baseball.

If it's hellish to implement then I've already explained I don't want it to affect release and completion of OOTP9. I just doubt that it is because, as I said earlier, there is already a hidden league prestige rating in the game.

And because the rating would only be used by free agents trying to decide between offers from two different leagues it would have absolutely no effect on a single major league universe.

[Big Fo]

It was a good idea Huckleberry, no idea why everyone seems to think its a ridiculous thing to want.

The thought that its all the fans' fault that the last few versions had bugs

[fantom1979]

Originally Posted by Huckleberry

Markus -

Will there be a league prestige rating now if you're running multiple separate leagues?

I'm interested in running a promotion/relegation league but want to make sure that players will sign at the highest level they can (if they can expect playing time). I realize that time-intensive editing of financials can accomplish it at this point, but will league prestige be an editable field?

I really like this idea

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Big Fo

It was a good idea Huckleberry, no idea why everyone seems to think its a ridiculous thing to want.

No one's saying that. I think we are reacting to the timing of the request given Marcus' well-known character flaw of trying to please everyone and taking on little side projects like this at the last minute (no offense, Marcus, but sometimes you're a bit TOO willing to implement fan requests at the drop of a hat). Now that the game is about to come out, I'd prefer he put something like this on the backburner as an idea to be worked on for a second or third patch. I don't care if it's added, but I do care about when it's added.