Alright boyz, here we go! FM 2010 first impressions thread

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Yeah - it's definately a morale-type thing.

But if you want to RP you can type your own answers out.

Which I have yet to fully take advantage of.

"Paul Brown has had a dreadful run of late. How do you think he'll respond?"

"He'll be determined to prove his critics wrong." + "...If he can pull his head out of his butt long enough to recognize which color of jersey his teammates are wearing...which I doubt!"

[DaddyTorgo]

do you think we're likely to see touchline shouts for individual players in FM 2011?

[Bea-Arthurs Hip]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Last question first - I created new competitions to get rid of the drafting and trading to make it more european in nature with promotions, etc .

As for the $8,000 per week limit, that seems to be a hard-coded rule for the United States that cannot be changed. Even if you create new nation rules, if the nation = USA, the teams will be forced to use that salary cap.

That is one of the reasons I put the PLA in Switzerland. The teams are still based in the US, still get US regens, but the league itself is Swiss so there is no cap.

ok thanks for that...for your PLA in Switerland, teams qualify for UEFA competitions?

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by Bea-Arthurs Hip

ok thanks for that...for your PLA in Switerland, teams qualify for UEFA competitions?

Yep - that was goal 1a.

[watravaler]

Anyone have a link for Toddzilla's PLA? I see the site he posted is asking for $20 before I can download the file.

[path12]

It irritates me that I need to hit the space bar twice after a match to continue.....and it seems that has been the case for like forever. Why is that?

[Toddzilla]

FREE links to my FM10 files:

Download eurostyleMLS.xml
Download promotionMLS.xml
Download PLA12 p.xml

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by path12

It irritates me that I need to hit the space bar twice after a match to continue.....and it seems that has been the case for like forever. Why is that?

i wonder this too

[Qrusher14242]

so no touchline shouts for 2d? that sucks, i dont use 3d

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

so no touchline shouts for 2d? that sucks, i dont use 3d

Touchline shouts are there in 2D, assuming you mean the ability to change styles on the fly and the more specific directions like "pump ball into box"

[Mota]

According to the Sigames.com website they've said that the PSN download version of FM10 for North America is pushed back, and will be coming out before Xmas, but they don't know exactly when.

[SackAttack]

Am I missing something in this image? Anybody know why the disconnect between the circled numbers?

[whomario]

the one up right only shows stats from the last 20 games. And seeing as he has 17 and missed 4 you are at least 21 (cup and league) games into the season in that 20 game span there i´m going to guess he scored 1 of his goals a game or two before the current counting.

Just got the game, now only 8 more hours at work before i can plug it in

Still not sure where to start ...

1) England, propably Coca Cola League 1
2) Norway (bottom dweller of 1st league)
3) somewhere in the Ukraine
4) or starting with a top club in Italy, maybe AC Milan (rebuild nescessary) or Juventus

[whomario]

just did some reading on the SI board and have a question that also arose when playing the demo (but i just chalked it up under "it´s the demo") : If i would start in Coca Cola League 2 in England, can i only scout players in England ? Or in Norway only from Norway at the beginning ?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Finally got the game yesterday in the mail. I played it most of yesterday. It's going to take a bit of getting used to considering my last version was 2008. I really like the 3D match as it allows for a better visual understanding of what happens in certain situations. Not real crazy about the pre/post interviews after EVERY match with no way to skip some of the more mundane ones. I do like the better interface with coaches in the backroom. Feels like I don't have to do quite as much on my own anymore. Like the touchline shouts. Overall, pretty good stuff.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by whomario

the one up right only shows stats from the last 20 games. And seeing as he has 17 and missed 4 you are at least 21 (cup and league) games into the season in that 20 game span there i´m going to guess he scored 1 of his goals a game or two before the current counting.

Just got the game, now only 8 more hours at work before i can plug it in

Still not sure where to start ...

1) England, propably Coca Cola League 1
2) Norway (bottom dweller of 1st league)
3) somewhere in the Ukraine
4) or starting with a top club in Italy, maybe AC Milan (rebuild nescessary) or Juventus

I'd advocate for Juve, but that's because I'm having a ball in my Juve game returning them to the top of Italian football (and this year hopefully i can win a treble...i've been busted out of the Italian Cup and the CL the last 2 seasons)

[Katon]

Originally Posted by whomario

just did some reading on the SI board and have a question that also arose when playing the demo (but i just chalked it up under "it´s the demo") : If i would start in Coca Cola League 2 in England, can i only scout players in England ? Or in Norway only from Norway at the beginning ?

Which countries you can scout depends on what your board is willing to finance; if you start in League Two, then yeah, you're probably going to be stuck with just the British countries.

[whomario]

Originally Posted by Katon

Which countries you can scout depends on what your board is willing to finance; if you start in League Two, then yeah, you're probably going to be stuck with just the British countries.

damn, can you tell that i haven´t started with a lower league club in years or what ?

That´s why i would really love to go that route to start it off. Although i´m undecided weather to start with a lower league club in England or a first division club in a country like Norway or Ukraine.

Propably Norway...

@ daddytorgo : Point taken Yeah, i´d kinda love to make an impact on a team like Juve with all the aging stars needing replacement in a few years that´d be a nice challenge.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by whomario

damn, can you tell that i haven´t started with a lower league club in years or what ?

That´s why i would really love to go that route to start it off. Although i´m undecided weather to start with a lower league club in England or a first division club in a country like Norway or Ukraine.

Propably Norway...

@ daddytorgo : Point taken Yeah, i´d kinda love to make an impact on a team like Juve with all the aging stars needing replacement in a few years that´d be a nice challenge.

there's a nice base of youth coming up too - Diego isn't ancient and you've got Ekdal coming up, you can get Criscito back, you've got Marchisio, De Ceglie, Paolucci, Palladino.

There's definately pieces that need addressing though, so it's a nice mix. I'm more of a "youth first" kinda guy so I've already (in 2012) got like 3 20 year old "future first teamers" out on loan to affiliated clubs this year and i spent to buy a 25 y/o striker to pair with one of them (paolucci will have to be 3rd best striker). My midfield is going to be a bit crowded though unless I cut ties with like Diego + Melo. And I haven't really found a young DMC that I like yet (although Marchisio does okay there).

[DaddyTorgo]

Norway's fun too though - I just accepted an offer to manage the Norwegian national team, so that should be a nice challenge.

[watravaler]

Thanks for posting the links Todd, downloading now. I'm hoping to become addicted to this game, as it hasn't happened since 2002's Fast Break College Basketball.

EDIT and Off-Topic: I'm still praying that Brian is spending a few minutes each day working on a new version of FBB and FBCB. Best text sims ever, imo, with FOF not far behind. I've probably played 10,000 seasons combined using the FBB franchise. If not, no problem Brian, those games will stand the test of time.

[watravaler]

Finally downloaded the game, the PLA set-up file from ToddZilla. I purchased the game through STEAM and I am using a PC/Windows XP.

One problem, how do I/where do I put the .xls file?

There doesn't seem to be a FM10 folder. And I can't find it under SportsInteractive either. Is it under STEAM somewhere? Damn I hate STEAM! Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me/tell me where to put the .xls file....

EDIT: I think I found the FM10 folder, but I still have no clue where to put the .xls file.

[SirFozzie]

Answered a couple pages back:

documents/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2010/editor data

[watravaler]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Answered a couple pages back:

documents/Sports Interactive/Football Manager 2010/editor data

Thanks Fozzie...

[Qrusher14242]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

Touchline shouts are there in 2D, assuming you mean the ability to change styles on the fly and the more specific directions like "pump ball into box"

oh maybe its cause im using the sliders still. I guess you dont get touchline shouts with sliders. I downloaded this China creation tactic and have been winning a lot, but it was made with the sliders.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by Qrusher14242

oh maybe its cause im using the sliders still. I guess you dont get touchline shouts with sliders. I downloaded this China creation tactic and have been winning a lot, but it was made with the sliders.

No, I don't think that's true.

I don't understand the sliders well enough to tinker much with them, but they are accessible in pre-match, and I still have access to the shouts when I play.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by SackAttack

No, I don't think that's true.

I don't understand the sliders well enough to tinker much with them, but they are accessible in pre-match, and I still have access to the shouts when I play.

Has he converted his tactic to a Classic tactic? I believe Touchline Shouts are not available w/Classic Tactics..

[JetsIn06]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Finally got the game yesterday in the mail. I played it most of yesterday. It's going to take a bit of getting used to considering my last version was 2008. I really like the 3D match as it allows for a better visual understanding of what happens in certain situations. Not real crazy about the pre/post interviews after EVERY match with no way to skip some of the more mundane ones. I do like the better interface with coaches in the backroom. Feels like I don't have to do quite as much on my own anymore. Like the touchline shouts. Overall, pretty good stuff.

You can send your assistant.

[SackAttack]

Originally Posted by whomario

the one up right only shows stats from the last 20 games. And seeing as he has 17 and missed 4 you are at least 21 (cup and league) games into the season in that 20 game span there i´m going to guess he scored 1 of his goals a game or two before the current counting.

Yeah, that's got to be it. He just had another match with two goals, but the "20 possible" hasn't changed.

So it's showing his overall match performance in the last 20 matches in the upper right, where down below is focused on a more specific breakdown.

Thanks!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by JetsIn06

You can send your assistant.

I understand. My point was that there should be an option to send assistant to all news conferences, much like you send him to manage the friendlies in the options.

[Axxon]

Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

I understand. My point was that there should be an option to send assistant to all news conferences, much like you send him to manage the friendlies in the options.

There is, under your team -> team settings -> first option "responsible for attending press conferences"

[Axxon]

dola, another way to find it is go where you set the am to do friendlies and look at the option just above it.

[Toddzilla]

Just don't do it if your Assistant is Nils Arne Eggen

[Big Fo]

Assistants handle the press conferences fine for me but I can't trust them to control friendlies. One preseason I selected that option and half the squad was angry with me once the season began for not giving the team enough credit. Now I play them out but with commentary only at the highest speed.

I do like the new way to schedule friendlies, it's so much faster.

[whomario]

hate setting up a new game ... Sat in front of the screen for 2 hours and haven´t moved a single day yet ... Decided to give Juventus a run, however i´m just dumbstruck by the millions of people i apparently own that are on loan all over Italy (big soccer fan, but italian soccer is new to me in terms of FM) on like a dozen feeder clubs and that i can´t get back even though they are at feeder clubs allowing that (so call back only works on players loaned after starting the game, right ?).
And what is up with this co-own business ?

Very frustrating experience all in all, also due to the added factor of the new interface.

Not blaming the game but my OCD-like go-about in terms of setting everything up in a new save game. Especially hard after having had everything the way i wanted with my last FM09 save (all the staff was handpicked, all players were my choices, had individual training schedules for all first team players, tactics, shortlists, search filters) . Maybe i just ought to start but oh man this is killing me ...
First thing i did was extending some offers to a couple good unemployed coaches and scouts.

This will take some time to get used to definitely, was kind of a shock to me ...

@ daddytorgo : What type of formation do you run ? I noticed that there are very few outside midfielders , which doesn´t bode well for me as a strong believer in the 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 Formation.
In all of FM 09 i played maybe 10 games with 4 in the back.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Originally Posted by Axxon

There is, under your team -> team settings -> first option "responsible for attending press conferences"

Thank you. I obviously missed it.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by whomario

hate setting up a new game ... Sat in front of the screen for 2 hours and haven´t moved a single day yet ... Decided to give Juventus a run, however i´m just dumbstruck by the millions of people i apparently own that are on loan all over Italy (big soccer fan, but italian soccer is new to me in terms of FM) on like a dozen feeder clubs and that i can´t get back even though they are at feeder clubs allowing that (so call back only works on players loaned after starting the game, right ?).
And what is up with this co-own business ?

Very frustrating experience all in all, also due to the added factor of the new interface.

Not blaming the game but my OCD-like go-about in terms of setting everything up in a new save game. Especially hard after having had everything the way i wanted with my last FM09 save (all the staff was handpicked, all players were my choices, had individual training schedules for all first team players, tactics, shortlists, search filters) . Maybe i just ought to start but oh man this is killing me ...
First thing i did was extending some offers to a couple good unemployed coaches and scouts.

This will take some time to get used to definitely, was kind of a shock to me ...

@ daddytorgo : What type of formation do you run ? I noticed that there are very few outside midfielders , which doesn´t bode well for me as a strong believer in the 3-5-2 or 3-4-2-1 Formation.
In all of FM 09 i played maybe 10 games with 4 in the back.

i run a 4-3-1-2 with 3 central midfielders (1 defensive minded but in the middle of the pitch). I don't really find that my width suffers horribly...my midfielders get out onto the wings seemingly enough. Fluid & Counterattacking.

I agree with you that all of the players out on loan hurt (particularly criscito and paolucci and ekdal). Try if you can to get criscito back from genoa ASAP even if you have to pay out for him. Grosso is alright but getting older and in real life I love de ceglie but he's a bit underpowered defensively. Grygera is actually rated quite well in the game as a DR (he's one of the top right fullback options as far as key attributes), so he'll do for the time being. Same with Tiago.

In 2012 right now I've got a back 4 of

Chiellini, Criscito, Ariaudo, (player who i bought in and don't want to tip)

if you want to talk Juve-specific strategy at all whomario you can send me an IM - my AIM screenname is the same as my name here.

[whomario]

Thanks for the offer, don´t have/use it. How about PM and mail ? But unless people get pissed we might just carry it on in here, i for one allways like reading about other people´s attmepts with the game

So i kept at it and at least have the backroom staff in order with mostly 3.5 to 4 star training and a few new scouts. Also got to buy Criscito back.

Other than that i think i´ll stay put and if nescessary do sth at the winter break.

I like to keep a squad intact, so my goal is to have at least 15 in the first team (24-28 players) be from the start when i enter the 3rd season including 6-8 starters.
And as allways my goal is to have as many local (so Italian this time) national team players as possible. Also going to try to get some norwegian players, just for the heck of it.

fully support the "not tipping off" route btw, even though frustrating i´m sure going to eventually enjoy the fact i am not knowing much about italian prospects as a challenge.

For now i´m making a list of good german/german league players as a shortlist (there´s been a german wave of players in Italy 20 years ago, might happen again ) for the first winter break when i might need to sing a couple, but hope to get some good feedback from my scouts in Italy once i get underway.

[SackAttack]

Although the press conferences are still annoying, I'm finding that the world feels more "alive" with some of the player comments and whatnot.

Had a player just comment to the press after I loaned a kiddie out, basically said "yeah, glad that sumbitch is gone. I hope it's permanent." Made me laugh.

[SackAttack]

Dola,

That may have been in previous versions, as may some of the other stuff I've been seeing, but it's new in the sense that if it was in WWSM 08 and 09, I never came across it.

[whomario]

So, has anyone played in Italy for a good while and can fill me in about co-ownership ? I understand the basic principle, but how regularly is it used/do i have to use it ?
Will it be that in a few year basically every promising players is co-owned by a big club ? So that i have no choice but to seek such deals as well ?

Is there a time limit until it runs out ? End of the contract ?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by whomario

So, has anyone played in Italy for a good while and can fill me in about co-ownership ? I understand the basic principle, but how regularly is it used/do i have to use it ?
Will it be that in a few year basically every promising players is co-owned by a big club ? So that i have no choice but to seek such deals as well ?

Is there a time limit until it runs out ? End of the contract ?

co-ownership is a pain in my ass. i've never seen it become massively wide-spread with every promising player so i don't think you need to seek such deals as a larger club. It can be useful for smaller clubs as a way of raising assets - set a co-ownership deal with one of the big squads for 2 years and keep the kid with you so you get cash and you get to play him for a couple years until the big squad likely scoops him up. As the larger squad though I've never seen the appeal of it to me. But that may also be because i like to bring up youth. I'd rather keep them on my books and loan them out for a year and have someone else pay the wages if necessary rather than have a co-owner. typically i try to stay fiscally responsible so it's not like i ever NEED the money to be gained from it and i'm always wary of losing a young star that way.

take this time for example - criscito starts out as co-owned by Genoa. Genoa refused to sell him back to me even for his stated value for the first 2 years. When the co-ownership deal ran out I had to pay OVER his stated value in order to get him back (15+ million). I would have rather had his salary on the books for a couple years then have had to pay that.

Basically it benefits the smaller clubs as they get to sell almost a first-option on the player for a chunk of cash, but they are then faced with "if the player is any good he'll likely get snapped up for more than i'm able to pay for him" after a couple years.

oh - you said you understand the principle - well i played till 2030 in 2009 and i didn't notice an unusual or even probably a high level of great-players being co-owned. i presume that didn't get "broke" in 2010...i'm only up in 2012 though...

as a big squad i'd also rather pay up-front for a talented youngster all-in while he's young (i typically have mutliple scouts just devoted to u-20 players) rather than pay for part of him. i figure buying 5 16 year olds for $1m is better than buying one 19 year old for 6...diversification of risk.

[whomario]

cheers Ah well, it is how it is, gotta work around the rules then.

Since this is the impressions thread : I really love the tactics creator and the introduction of player roles (can you design your own templates btw ?) as well as the new look of the tactics screen overall. Also the Backroom Staff advice looks fine on a first glance.
Unsure how much i´ll actually use the tactics creator oposed to real deep digging tactics, but sure looks like a very nice adition for people newer to the game.

going out tonight, but tomorrow afternoon will be all FM. Got a target list in my head, maybe i´ll do sth before the start of the season.
First i have to set up my training schedules though. 2009 ones work fine, right ?
Will add individual ones step by step starting with the stars and top-flight prospects, then work my way to usefull players. With last year´s Hoffenheim save i had about 20 at any given time, maybe i´ll use some for similar player types at Juve.

[GoldenEagle]

I put so much work into the game before I hit the continue button, but it pays off in the long run:

-I setup a spreadsheet with all of the players on my team with their ratings.
-I decide which staff to keep and look for replacements or additional coaches/scouts.
-I set up the tug training schedules (this took awhile in FM09, have not done it yet in FM10).
-I pick out both long term and short term transfer targets.
-I list/unlist players depending on my evaluations

It takes some work, but it really feels like you are making the team your own.

[GoldenEagle]

The new interface takes some getting use to, but I think it is an improvement over previous versions. I am using the default dark skin for now, but I am on the lookout for better skins.

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by GoldenEagle

The new interface takes some getting use to, but I think it is an improvement over previous versions. I am using the default dark skin for now, but I am on the lookout for better skins.

"Steklo X "looks great.

[GoldenEagle]

Originally Posted by McLovin

"Steklo X "looks great.

I saw that one over on SI. I am not crazy about the purple, but I maybe I just need to download and check it out.

[kingfc22]

Is there any way to change the font size? I swear I need a magnifying glass to read the player's names in 3D match view.

[whomario]

the ability to customize the screens is awesome

Just now starting my first friendly match against AC Milan (apparently some sort of deal for a game every year)

Decided to buy 2 players allright in Beck and Westermann, got to have some Germans on board

Can anybody tell me how the heck i can edit set pieces (who goes where, attacking the post or challenging keeper f.e.) in the new tactics creator ? Can´t find it for the life of me Or do i have to go back to the old one for that ?
Decided to give it a go as it is much more realistic. Having been a soccer player my whole life and having helped coaching as well, the old FM had way too many options, soccer isn´t that precice from the start (it gets precice due to the players knowing each others routes after being together a bit)

[McLovin]

Originally Posted by whomario

the ability to customize the screens is awesome

Just now starting my first friendly match against AC Milan (apparently some sort of deal for a game every year)

Decided to buy 2 players allright in Beck and Westermann, got to have some Germans on board

Can anybody tell me how the heck i can edit set pieces (who goes where, attacking the post or challenging keeper f.e.) in the new tactics creator ? Can´t find it for the life of me Or do i have to go back to the old one for that ?
Decided to give it a go as it is much more realistic. Having been a soccer player my whole life and having helped coaching as well, the old FM had way too many options, soccer isn´t that precice from the start (it gets precice due to the players knowing each others routes after being together a bit)

The screen customization is awesome, I love it!
So is the ability to give "pep talks" to oncoming subs.

I don't think you can edit the set pieces using the tactics creator, you have to edit them after the tactic is created the old way. It does generate basic instructions though.
There is a good thread in the SI Tactics forum on setting Corners. Worked well for me.