Survivor:Challenge/Common Thread (GAME OVER! FEED BACK WELCOME) - Page 60

SnDvls · 02-23-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Path- I fully expect I am voting for Alan. Change my mind by pointing out why Alan shouldn't win, NOT why you should.

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

Lathum · 02-23-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

why. you think you're cooler then me or something?

Barkeep49 · 02-23-2007, 09:34 PM

Thanks to everyone for the questions. Path and Alan may continue to answer them as the weekend goes on. Members of the jury, please let me know your votes sometime this weekend by Sunday at 10 PM.

Thanks!

SnDvls · 02-23-2007, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

why. you think you're cooler then me or something?

well since you asked..yes I am cooler

I had already asked it before you and Alan has answered it already, still waiting on path though.

Lathum · 02-23-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

well since you asked..yes I am cooler

I had already asked it before you and Alan has answered it already, still waiting on path though.

you wanna fight?

KWhit · 02-24-2007, 09:01 AM

This could be good. A textsim-werewolf-playing-geek-fight!

SnDvls · 02-24-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

you wanna fight?

uhh...ok...but I don't fight fair

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:15 AM

I'm out of town and haven't had a chance to access until now. Catching up.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

To both of you: What was your key play in the game?

I guess for me it was my response to when JE pressed Alan about how we knew about ITC being under heat. I didn't blame him at all for doing what he did because it was certain we would have to play against each other at some point, and in fact was going to let it go and likely get voted off. However as the discussion developed JE started to get more questions and so I decided to play back. That unfortunately got JE lynched but it also got me trusted. Right after that I sided against St.Cronin in the vote between he and Alan which also played against what Alan thought I would have done as a wolf and increased my trust level. I don't think I was seriously mentioned as a vote possibllity after that.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

Okay I have two questions for each of you. The first, beign the standard Survivor question that is asked on each season. 1) Why shouldn't your opponent win this game? and 2) What move in this game did you do that you wish you could take back and change?

Remember I could have taken either of you out at some point in this game so your answers to these questions will play a major part in where my vote goes.

1) I can't answer that question. Alan always drives a lot of conversation, won a bunch of challenges to keep himself alive, did a lot of work in the team challenges. We both played good games, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

2) My big mistake this game was the situation with you and Anxiety at the end. I felt sure that I had pissed you off enough that you were going to toss the game to the villagers and I was sick about it. I did everything I could to try and repair that but it was a huge mistake. We should have gotten together as a team and decided how to play that.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Alright, I have separate questions for each player:

Alan, I had told you all along that I thought Anxiety was a wolf, but you never really gave me a chance in the new Helsing tribe. Why should I choose you over Path?

Path, I am assuming you had a chance to choose who your final two opponent would be, so why did you pick Alan T. (who had dominated the individual challenges and played a strong overall game) over KWhit (who played a solid, but unremarkable game)?

Truth is that I would have killed Alan the last night but he still had immunity (it lasted through the vote and into the night). Only choice I had was KWhit.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KWhit

Here's a question (2 actually) for you guys:

What was your favorite challenge and why? And which was your least favorite and why?

My favorite by far was the poetry challenge for a couple reasons. First, I enjoy writing and even though poetry isn't my deal it was a lot of fun to try and come up with the different forms. Second, the original Howard tribe got along very well I thought and that was the day more than any other where we were all into it and really had a lot of fun bouncing ideas off of each other.

My least favorite was the wiki. Count me in the group that had that feel like a book report, plus most of us are FM players and didn't have much if any experience in the sims that were available. In the end we completely failed that one.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

8th place, Oh well Oz left its mark on me in the End

i have only one question and its for Path and i think it been asked but to make sure why Alan T over Kwhit????

Yeah, my actual night order was kill Alan if I could but if not then KWhit.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrith

My question is for path. What the heck happened between all the wolves at the end there? You really should have had two wolves in the final, but you all seemed to melt down, so I'd like your explanation.

Basically, we couldn't vote for KWhit or Alan. I PM'd Anxiety privately asking if he wanted to form an alliance, mainly just because I know him better and I feel that we kind of see the game the same way. He agreed. A couple of hours later SnDvls PM'd me asking to form an alliance. I didn't want to lie to a fellow wolf, so I told him straight up that I had already cut a deal. He was understandably upset and you all saw what followed. I offered myself up to have Sn and Abe move forward but Barkeep told me that I couldn't vote for myself.

It was a blunder on my part not to openly discuss between the three of us and fortunately Sn was gracious enough to understand and after it was all over we moved forward as a team. We couldn't remember if KWhit had prior votes on him, we were hopeful he had since we were pretty sure it was going to be 2-2 that final day.

path12 · 02-24-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Path- I fully expect I am voting for Alan. Change my mind by pointing out why Alan shouldn't win, NOT why you should.

Because Alan got you killed earlier by winning immunity?

Lathum · 02-24-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

FYI that's the question I asked if you want a new/different one

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

Alan T · 02-24-2007, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

I make a general rule to never get in a fist fight with a man that has big tatoos.

SnDvls · 02-24-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I make a general rule to never get in a fist fight with a man that has big tatoos.

So I guess you aren't fighting either of us then

Alan T · 02-24-2007, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SnDvls

So I guess you aren't fighting either of us then

I'm a lover, not a fighter?

KWhit · 02-25-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I'm a lover, not a fighter?

You just won my vote, flyboy.

Lathum · 02-25-2007, 08:54 AM

You may have just lost mine. There is no room for lovers on Survivor.

path12 · 02-25-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

OK, new question for you both, who would you rather fight and why, Lathum or Sndvls?

Beating up an old man? Cold.......

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 08:49 PM

I am going to go get the votes. The person who has received 3 votes will be named our FOFC Werewolf Survivor.

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 08:51 PM

First vote

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alant

st.cronin · 02-25-2007, 08:54 PM

Go go Alan T!

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:00 PM

Second vote:

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path

We are tied at vote a piece. 3 votes makes for a winner.

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:15 PM

Third vote:

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Path

Path takes the lead with two votes.

Lathum · 02-25-2007, 09:15 PM

you know what would be cool, if barkep waited 9 minutes between each vote so there would be some suspense about who won.

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:16 PM

Fourth vote:

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alan

And we're tied at two. One vote left. Who'll it be for?

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:20 PM

The final vote

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Alan T

Congrats to Alan for his victory! You are FOFC's Werewolf Sole Survivor!

Lathum · 02-25-2007, 09:21 PM

congrats alant on a well played game

Abe Sargent · 02-25-2007, 09:22 PM

Early feedback: When we started, just three days in the month had passed. At the end, there are just three days left in the month. It essentially took an entire month. It really felt like it at times too.

Definitely a marathon.

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Anxiety

Early feedback: When we started, just three days in the month had passed. At the end, there are just three days left in the month. It essentially took an entire month. It really felt like it at times too.

Definitely a marathon.

It was indeed a 3 week game

and that's a fair comment to make.

All threads have been restored. Feel free to read them at your leisure. There's some good stuff in there and a lot of mundane stuff as well.

Abe Sargent · 02-25-2007, 09:29 PM

I just want to know what AE posted in them

path12 · 02-25-2007, 09:37 PM

Congrats Alan. Well done. Thanks again to Barkeep and everyone else.

Abe Sargent · 02-25-2007, 09:39 PM

Yeah, I'm sure BK was frustrated by us at times. Thanks BK!

st.cronin · 02-25-2007, 09:51 PM

I think this is more about me than Barkeep, but more often in his games than in other complex games do I find myself just totally baffled. There were several points in the game that I just couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do.

It was definitely a successful game, overall, but it was one which definitively did not play to my strengths and likes.

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 09:57 PM

cronin: I have to admit that this surprises me. You clearly were baffled at the start of the game and that surprised me. While it was not a typical WW game, I didn't think of it as complex. I mean actually the WW part of it is BY far the most straight forward of any of my large games. So I guess what I'm saying is: you're dumber than I thought

Tyrith · 02-25-2007, 09:57 PM

I think the game was a fun concept, and the idea was certainly an interesting twist. The challenges were generally interesting, albeit largely from an outsider's perspective. Overall the game was run well, and BK deserves mad props for keeping the game afloat with all the crap that happened.

That said, I have a few critiques. I did not like how the players were largely clueless as to what was going on. Even during the brief time I was playing it rapidly became frustrating. And as Anxiety mentioned, the game just dragged on a long time, and after so long it's hard to stay engaged -- this also seemed to come up during the last really long game, Tombstone. The game would probably also have had more impact if it hadn't come right after another crazy game.

I dunno. I was having fun at least until the giant mess started.

st.cronin · 02-25-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

cronin: I have to admit that this surprises me. You clearly were baffled at the start of the game and that surprised me. While it was not a typical WW game, I didn't think of it as complex. I mean actually the WW part of it is BY far the most straight forward of any of my large games. So I guess what I'm saying is: you're dumber than I thought

You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time.

Seriously, I think in this game part of it came from not knowing anything about Survivor. So the concepts of, for example, Challenge and Immunity were completely alien to me. I don't know if I'm the only one in that boat, or not.

But, I also remember in one of your games a long time ago, that most of the analysis went right over my head, and and in another game I had to work very hard to keep up. So I think there's some part of the mind that your games are designed to appeal to, and my mind is just not very developed in that respect.

I did enjoy this game, once the werewolf part of it came into play. That part was fun.

Abe Sargent · 02-25-2007, 10:05 PM

I can;t say anything about AlanT's next large game, but mine is after that, and it will have areturn to simpler mechanics. It will be, mechanically, my easiest game outside of small games that I've done. It will be complex in non-mechanical ways, though

I think there were times when we as players let BK down by not really participating in challenges (the wiki one, ie). To be fair, BK was always upfront about the game, but I still think a lot of players expected more WW and less survivor.

I thought BK did as well as one could under the circumstances, however, I doubt I'll play in any future survivor/WW hyrbid games. It just never felt right.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-25-2007, 10:07 PM

One of the reasons I think the game lasted as long as it did was because of the limitations put on the wolves. Since we could only kill members of our own tribe, it didn't make sense to take anyone out (especially those of us in the smaller tribes) until much later in the game.

A minor complaint I have was in the very first challenge. Since two tribes had the benefit of having an extra member, there was no way Howard or Lupus was going to avoid being in the bottom two of that first challenge. By both of us losing a member right away, that put us at a serious disadvantage for the rest of the game, and it was something that we had to fight the entire game.

All in all, though, I really enjoyed this game, and I thank Barkeep for running it.

Tyrith · 02-25-2007, 10:09 PM

The wolf thing really surprised me. If I had remained in the game it was my intention to begin tearing into my tribemates either the night I left or the next night. Although in the end I think the lack of wolf activity really helped the wolves in the long run becuase if left the villagers so confused.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-25-2007, 10:10 PM

Oh, and congrats to Alan for winning.

Path, you were robbed!!!

st.cronin · 02-25-2007, 10:11 PM

Somebody please explain RA's play to me. It made no sense to me then, makes no sense now.

st.cronin · 02-25-2007, 10:11 PM

Also, were the wolves in communication from the start or not?

Tyrith · 02-25-2007, 10:12 PM

No. As alpha, I had no idea who else was a wolf. All I could do was search for another wolf, kill, or pass the action down the chain.

Raiders Army · 02-25-2007, 10:12 PM

Congrats AlanT.

Question for the other wolves: What did you think when it came out that I told my tribe what we could do?

Barkeep49 · 02-25-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Also, were the wolves in communication from the start or not?

No. Only once they found each other which basically all happened at once.

Raiders Army · 02-25-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Somebody please explain RA's play to me. It made no sense to me then, makes no sense now.

What didn't make sense? I told you the truth. I came out to help our tribe.

02-24-2007, 10:15 AM	#2958
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I'm out of town and haven't had a chance to access until now. Catching up. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-25-2007, 08:54 PM	#2975
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Go go Alan T! __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-25-2007, 09:22 PM	#2982
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Early feedback: When we started, just three days in the month had passed. At the end, there are just three days left in the month. It essentially took an entire month. It really felt like it at times too. Definitely a marathon. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

02-25-2007, 09:29 PM	#2984
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I just want to know what AE posted in them __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

02-25-2007, 09:37 PM	#2985
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Congrats Alan. Well done. Thanks again to Barkeep and everyone else. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-23-2007, 09:34 PM	#2953
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Thanks to everyone for the questions. Path and Alan may continue to answer them as the weekend goes on. Members of the jury, please let me know your votes sometime this weekend by Sunday at 10 PM. Thanks!

02-24-2007, 09:01 AM	#2956
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	This could be good. A textsim-werewolf-playing-geek-fight!

02-25-2007, 08:54 AM	#2971
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	You may have just lost mine. There is no room for lovers on Survivor.

02-25-2007, 08:49 PM	#2973
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I am going to go get the votes. The person who has received 3 votes will be named our FOFC Werewolf Survivor.

02-25-2007, 09:15 PM	#2978
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	you know what would be cool, if barkep waited 9 minutes between each vote so there would be some suspense about who won.

02-25-2007, 09:21 PM	#2981
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	congrats alant on a well played game

02-25-2007, 09:39 PM	#2986
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Yeah, I'm sure BK was frustrated by us at times. Thanks BK! __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

02-25-2007, 09:51 PM	#2987
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I think this is more about me than Barkeep, but more often in his games than in other complex games do I find myself just totally baffled. There were several points in the game that I just couldn't figure out what I was supposed to do. It was definitely a successful game, overall, but it was one which definitively did not play to my strengths and likes. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-25-2007, 09:57 PM	#2988
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	cronin: I have to admit that this surprises me. You clearly were baffled at the start of the game and that surprised me. While it was not a typical WW game, I didn't think of it as complex. I mean actually the WW part of it is BY far the most straight forward of any of my large games. So I guess what I'm saying is: you're dumber than I thought

02-25-2007, 09:57 PM	#2989
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	I think the game was a fun concept, and the idea was certainly an interesting twist. The challenges were generally interesting, albeit largely from an outsider's perspective. Overall the game was run well, and BK deserves mad props for keeping the game afloat with all the crap that happened. That said, I have a few critiques. I did not like how the players were largely clueless as to what was going on. Even during the brief time I was playing it rapidly became frustrating. And as Anxiety mentioned, the game just dragged on a long time, and after so long it's hard to stay engaged -- this also seemed to come up during the last really long game, Tombstone. The game would probably also have had more impact if it hadn't come right after another crazy game. I dunno. I was having fun at least until the giant mess started.

02-25-2007, 10:05 PM	#2991
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I can;t say anything about AlanT's next large game, but mine is after that, and it will have areturn to simpler mechanics. It will be, mechanically, my easiest game outside of small games that I've done. It will be complex in non-mechanical ways, though I think there were times when we as players let BK down by not really participating in challenges (the wiki one, ie). To be fair, BK was always upfront about the game, but I still think a lot of players expected more WW and less survivor. I thought BK did as well as one could under the circumstances, however, I doubt I'll play in any future survivor/WW hyrbid games. It just never felt right. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

02-25-2007, 10:07 PM	#2992
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	One of the reasons I think the game lasted as long as it did was because of the limitations put on the wolves. Since we could only kill members of our own tribe, it didn't make sense to take anyone out (especially those of us in the smaller tribes) until much later in the game. A minor complaint I have was in the very first challenge. Since two tribes had the benefit of having an extra member, there was no way Howard or Lupus was going to avoid being in the bottom two of that first challenge. By both of us losing a member right away, that put us at a serious disadvantage for the rest of the game, and it was something that we had to fight the entire game. All in all, though, I really enjoyed this game, and I thank Barkeep for running it.

02-25-2007, 10:09 PM	#2993
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	The wolf thing really surprised me. If I had remained in the game it was my intention to begin tearing into my tribemates either the night I left or the next night. Although in the end I think the lack of wolf activity really helped the wolves in the long run becuase if left the villagers so confused.

02-25-2007, 10:10 PM	#2994
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Oh, and congrats to Alan for winning. Path, you were robbed!!!

02-25-2007, 10:11 PM	#2995
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Somebody please explain RA's play to me. It made no sense to me then, makes no sense now. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-25-2007, 10:11 PM	#2996
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Also, were the wolves in communication from the start or not? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

02-25-2007, 10:12 PM	#2997
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	No. As alpha, I had no idea who else was a wolf. All I could do was search for another wolf, kill, or pass the action down the chain.

02-25-2007, 10:12 PM	#2998
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Congrats AlanT. Question for the other wolves: What did you think when it came out that I told my tribe what we could do?

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