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Old 02-16-2007, 02:41 PM   #2501
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Isn't 12 feet a pretty decent pole vault?

That's quite a pole.
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Old 02-16-2007, 02:43 PM   #2502
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:10 PM   #2503
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I would be very upset if they were deleated. My guess is BK with his cool mod powers moved them and will bring them bak at the end.
This is correct. I'd originally planned to delete them, but then found out that there was a bug in the board's software preventing me from undelete them, so I closed them. However, I then found a work around to that bug and so they're deleted until the game is over at which time I will resurrect them.
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Old 02-16-2007, 03:40 PM   #2504
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hey guys im sorry i thought the questions werent due till 10pm, i set and thought about them for a while too, sorry.
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Old 02-16-2007, 06:28 PM   #2505
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Do our answers need to be posted here or sent in a PM?
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Old 02-16-2007, 07:42 PM   #2506
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PM'ed please.
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Old 02-16-2007, 08:29 PM   #2507
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BK -, what's the plan for the weekend?
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Old 02-16-2007, 08:54 PM   #2508
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Sorry, just clicked the wrong thread.
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Old 02-16-2007, 10:28 PM   #2509
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What is true and what is not was on full display today.

For Helsing we had the following lists (with the lie now in bold):

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SnDvls:
I was in the marching band in college
I was president of my fraternity in college
I was a QB on my high school football team

Alan:
When I was 15, I worked for a ranch helping train horses
When in Highschool I received a scholarship to the University of Miami for music performance that I turned down.
Played football in highschool with Eric Zeier

Lathum:
I was a DJ while in college
I used to play drums in a rock band
I have 7 tattoos

Path:
1. I am twice divorced.
2. I was a pole vaulter in college.
3. I am a Business major.

Swaggs:
1. I have been shot, with a gun, in the stomach.
2. I have attended a ballgame in 14 different MLB parks.
3. I have been to the top of one of the World Trade Center towers.
Howard put in the following guess:
Quote:
SnDvls: I was a QB on my high school football team

Alan: When in Highschool I received a scholarship to the University of Miami for music performance that I turned down

Lathum: I was a DJ while in college

Path: I am a Business major

Swaggs: I have attended a ballgame in 14 different MLB parks
They got 3 of them right for 3 points.

Then we had Howard's pack of whoppers:

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Anxiety:
I have dated a Miss America contestant.
I have slept with a stripper
I have had an exclusive relationship with a girl who later went on to star in a Hollywood studio movie.

Grammaticus:
I am a Junior Olympics Champion
I was a High School Football Player
I have one dog

Jonathan:
1) I have written a novel
2) I am fluent in German
3) I shaved my head in mourning after the Steelers lost the AFC Championship in 1995

Pass (even from the dead):
I watch the Golden Girls in the morning while getting ready for work.
I get grossed out at the sight of strawberries.
There is a gay porn star with the same name as me
Howard submitted their guesses as:
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Anxiety
I have had an exclusive relationship with a girl who later went on to star in a Hollywood studio movie.

Grammaticus:
I was a High School Football Player


Jonathan:
2) I am fluent in German


Pass (even from the dead):
I get grossed out at the sight of strawberries.
For a perfect 4 for 4. This gives them 5 points and yet another victory. Your list of 2 truths and a lie about this game will be posted in your thread shortly.

As for the weekend: I was originally going to do a reward challenge, but it seems like people could use a break. So we'll set noon tomorrow as a deadline for night actions, do a tribal council, which will end at 10 PM on Sunday, and otherwise take the weekend off. The game should end by next Friday, as long as we keep with this pace.

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Old 02-16-2007, 11:05 PM   #2510
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Path,

How high did you vault?

Best was 15'7". Pretty middle of the road.
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Old 02-17-2007, 01:56 AM   #2511
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Best was 15'7". Pretty middle of the road.

Hey, that is pretty decent. 16"1" won our state meet (IL) back in the day.

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Old 02-17-2007, 09:29 AM   #2512
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Howard, who did you all end up voting off yesterday?
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:33 AM   #2513
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JE, is gone
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:36 AM   #2514
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JE, is gone

Any idea what the vote count was, and who else received votes? Any idea who voted for who?
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:40 AM   #2515
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:40 AM   #2516
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anxiety,kwhit and daddytorogo havent really been around
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:41 AM   #2517
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anxiety,kwhit and daddytorogo havent really been around


Well daddytorgo isn't going to be around since he was going to replace Pass who is dead.

I assume Jonathan voted for Gramm and you and Gramm voted for Jonathan then with Kwhit and Anxiety not voting?
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:49 AM   #2518
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Yeah I didn;t vote - wasn;t around when I thought I was going to be. Totally woulda voted for JE obviously. Glad I wasn't needed.
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:59 AM   #2519
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anyone know the weekend schedule?
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:07 AM   #2520
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anyone know the weekend schedule?


Yeah barkeep posted it at the end of yesterday's challenge results. He says this weekend was going to be a reward challenge, but now its just going to be Howard's tribal challenge with us picking up next week.
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:11 AM   #2521
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do you mean tribal council?
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:14 AM   #2522
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do you mean tribal council?

That too!
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:20 AM   #2523
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Well daddytorgo isn't going to be around since he was going to replace Pass who is dead.

I assume Jonathan voted for Gramm and you and Gramm voted for Jonathan then with Kwhit and Anxiety not voting?

when did pass die?
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:02 AM   #2524
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Helsing,

What did you guys get for a reward?
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:12 AM   #2525
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Helsing,

What did you guys get for a reward?

Some true/false info about the wolves in this game.
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:35 AM   #2526
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Alan T, what info did you get, care to share?
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Old 02-17-2007, 11:38 AM   #2527
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Alan T, what info did you get, care to share?

I think I probably should wait on the rest of the team to decide that rather than give out that info on my own, as any attempt to explain it would probably give out other people's opinions that are not my own to give out. I don't have any problem telling what I personally think about various people at any point.. however I don't know if I have a great feel on too many people right now. I think personally I'm mainly curious to see who the wolves choose for a night kill.
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Old 02-17-2007, 12:11 PM   #2528
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As their tribal council begins, without JE who was voted off last night. It seems like there will be one fewer person for this next tribal council as well. Poor Grammaticus is no more. The wolves got to him last night.
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:09 PM   #2529
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So obviously the helsing wolf is Alan, Sndvls, or me. Since I know I am not the wolf I am trying to find clues about which one it could be. If a member of Howard is willing to work with me I think some information about the discussion for which tribe members to select when you had the choice of two ( it ended up being Alan and Cronin) could be helpfull. I know JE sent in the order but was there anything about that day that could be helpfull I would apreciate it.

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Old 02-17-2007, 02:39 PM   #2530
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To the wolves: please stop killing my tribe-mates. That is all.
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:42 PM   #2531
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Aghhhhhhhhhh..........Splat
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:44 PM   #2532
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So obviously the helsing wolf is Alan, Sndvls, or me. Since I know I am not the wolf I am trying to find clues about which one it could be. If a member of Howard is willing to work with me I think some information about the discussion for which tribe members to select when you had the choice of two ( it ended up being Alan and Cronin) could be helpfull. I know JE sent in the order but was there anything about that day that could be helpfull I would apreciate it.

We are down to eight players, and I think we need to root out the wolf(es) fast before we all die and that's the end of the game. I'm totally up for helping you out. Let's not hold back any information. What information are you specifically looking for?

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Old 02-17-2007, 02:48 PM   #2533
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We are down to eight players, and I think we need to root out the wolf(es) fast before we all die and that's the end of the game. I'm totally up for helping you out. Let's not hold back any information. What information are you specifically looking for?

-Anxiety

basicly who ( if anyone) wanted alan on the chopping block, if anyone mentioned sndvls, any info mentioned about one of the 3 of us since we can narrow down for sure one of us is a wolf
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Old 02-17-2007, 02:52 PM   #2534
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Hold on, let me check.
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Old 02-17-2007, 03:13 PM   #2535
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Here's the info I could find.

ITC comes out and says he thinks cronin is thewolf, we shoudl nominate him.

Passa says it should be path and Swaggs.

JE says path might be the wolf from his tribe

JE agrees with cronin being a converted wofl and should be tossed out there

Gramm agrees with Passa

Gramm then later says path and Mr W would be good choices

Passa mentions Alan T knows something he shouldn't.

JE Echoes this.

Gramm says path and Mr W as his nominees again

Passa mentions we should vote Alan T and cronin. with Swaggs as a third option if we can;t agree on one of those two.

AE agrees that Alan T and cronin are fine by him.

JE agrees with Alan T and cronin

then AE exploded, and if anybody else talked about it during the Great Winter Werewolf Meltdown '07, I'm not going back and rereading all of those posts.


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Old 02-17-2007, 03:14 PM   #2536
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Took me 20 minutes to reread that day's posts, so I hope there's something here I missed.


FWIW - Note that no one ever suggests Lathum.
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Old 02-17-2007, 03:21 PM   #2537
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Barkeep - can we get an updated pag eone with people who have left and how?
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:30 PM   #2538
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Anxiety, thats great info. Thanks. That also clears you a bit in my mind. I think a wolf would have said something like " let me ask my tribe"

I wonder if it is possible AlanT and Path are wolves playing us?
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:40 PM   #2539
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I'm eating dinner right now and have a few minuttes and I check back in and nothing's happeneing. I hope somebody used my info. Barring someone else talking on subject, I'll go ahread and chime in with a few more thoughts while I have a few seconds.

1). Why no move towards Lathum? Virtually every single player on teh opposibng team was named, so why not Lathum? Has he been that far above reproach this game that no one would even consider voting him as a bad guy.? Or has he just been under the radar? And what does that signify?

2). It seems a lot more people on my team were behidn the AlanT-cronin duality than it appeared based on conversations here and in our thread after the vote. It's easy to see how multiple players are looking in that direction at the time.

3). path gets mentioned a lot, but I think that is a factor of our team trusting JE at the time more than anything else (ITC said he thought JE was clean, I remember others mentioning it as well including either Passa or Gramm).


I'll even do one better than what was asked of me. I'll publish my own trust list:

Completely Trusted: Noone
Trusted: KWhit
Solid: ITC
Neutral: Everybody else (I've never been on a team with any of them)
Lesser: Swaggs

Why trust KWhit? I've been on a team with him since the very beginning and I have never gotten a wolf vibe from him, so if he is a wolf, then he has, in my opinion, pulled off one of the greatest wolf games so far in 07. I just don't see it.

Because I trust KWhit, I cannot trust Swaggs (the one of us is a wolf comment). However, desptie that said, I;ve not seen that much wolfey behavior from Swaggs, and if he were on my team, I;d watch and wait, and vote if I had to, but would also be happy to work with him, not slander him, and so forth.

ITC seems totally above board so far, however, I admit that if I were a wolf, I would have converted one of the ozzites (assuming they have that poweR) and I woould have made ITC my convert - he's ne and can play that newbiw cards when he screws up and makes a wolf mistake. Plus, I remember how Tyrith and I won as bad guys way back in his first game ever and my second game ever. New guys can win, and they can avoid notice - which makes them a good convert target. He;s teh only Oz left, so he's in a perfect position to be a wolf.

We beleive we killed the Oz convert, if any. SO he can play wwith relative impunity if he's a convert. Plus, he can now tell us ANYTHING he wants and claim that it was said back in the Oz thread, and no one can dispute him. He can make up roles for others, himself, additional info - anything he wants and we can;t stop him. If I were a wolf with the ability to convert, I'd convrt ITC now, if I hadn;t already.

That makes me leary of ITC< but I haven;t seen anything yet, so he's still sorta trusted. You can;t dangle a peach in front of a starving man for long without expecting it to be eaten, after all. ITC is a peach, and with our recent votes, the wolves may very well be on the run.


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Old 02-17-2007, 06:48 PM   #2540
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Anxiety, thats great info. Thanks. That also clears you a bit in my mind. I think a wolf would have said something like " let me ask my tribe"

I wonder if it is possible AlanT and Path are wolves playing us?

NP buddy. Personally, I think that you are more playign a great game than playign a good UTR wolf game. Of course, I don;t see your thread.


I think that Lupus players were save from night kills until today. Up until one, everyone of us had a "One in Three" mark in teh back of our heads, and thus if a wolf killed one of us durign teh night, the other wolf's mark jumps to "One in Two." Therefore, I think the smart play was to lay off Lupus as night kills.

However, all of that changed when your tribe went down to probably one in three = wolf. Now there are two tribes at that number. Lupus is no longer safe from night kills.

Honestly, I have no idea who I'd vote for our council. I've not seen wolf in either, to be frank. ITC makes the great conversion target - but to vote for him I have to be convinced that it is likey the wolves can convert and likely that we haven't already killed the convert. Althoguh they could probably do it again. Or Swaggs could jump up in my mind and KWhit fall as a result if I saw some different things from him in here that I don;t see in your thread. It;s just that if KWhit is a wolf, he totally fooled me, you know?

So that's where I am right now
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:51 PM   #2541
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Oh, and one more thing I totally forgot. I beleive JE was a wolf. If so, that would NOT completely clear path to my mind, because I admit the possibility of conversion, but I think path or JE would make a poor conversion target (depending on which was the original, because they origianlly had one in their tribe), whereas the wolves seem to be playing fairly well so far to my mind. Still, I am fairly confidant in JE's wolf-ness for what its worth, and he was former ally in my Howard tribe, so I had to leave him behind.
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Old 02-17-2007, 06:53 PM   #2542
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I think I probably should wait on the rest of the team to decide that rather than give out that info on my own, as any attempt to explain it would probably give out other people's opinions that are not my own to give out. I don't have any problem telling what I personally think about various people at any point.. however I don't know if I have a great feel on too many people right now. I think personally I'm mainly curious to see who the wolves choose for a night kill.

Even if your tribe is agaisnt revealing everythingt AlanT, I;d still like to see what you think. Let us know!
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Old 02-17-2007, 07:42 PM   #2543
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Anxiety, I hope my tribe doesn't mind me doing this but I will tell you we are 90% sure there has been a conversion based on info from BK.
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Old 02-17-2007, 07:51 PM   #2544
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Even if your tribe is agaisnt revealing everythingt AlanT, I;d still like to see what you think. Let us know!

You might not want to know what I think fully as right now out of people I trust the least I think you are a likely wolf. I just got through posting my thoughts in my tribe forum but might as well post them here too. I'll add a few more things here as well I suppose to go back on my thoughts for a little bit longer.

Basically I just got to drive about an hour in the car so had alot of time to think about things.. my thoughts on people:

First: Helsing tribe. I have a 50% chance of guessing the wolf in my tribe. My gut instinct is the wolf is Lathum based mostly on how he has reacted to stuff. Sndvls has been pretty solid the entire game and I don't really remember him directing or steering anything in a way that seems off to me. I mostly suspect Lathum right now because of how he has played the last day and a half and usually in cases like this though my gut feeling is entirely wrong. Up until this morning for pretty much the entire game I had honestly felt our wolf was actually Grammaticus. Even when I was upset with Passacaglia, I don't know that I really honestly felt he was a wolf, I think I just felt he was duped. I felt Grammaticus was our wolf. I was wrong there as we can see.


Lupus Tribe: We know that wolf is still alive, we have a 33% chance in guessing who it is. I honestly feel the best about Kwhit. Remember back a few days Kwhit voluntarily handed over his immunity idol to Oz for the seer. My understanding is he nor no one else knew if his was the fake wolf immunity or the real one. I have a hard time beliving Kwhit as a wolf would have handed it over to protect the seer in that case. It ended up being the fake idol, but he had no way of knowing that. THat leaves me Swaggs and Anxiety in a pseudo-50/50 chance here too (if I am right about kwhit). I felt pretty strongly that Swaggs was a wolf through the Cronin-me setup vote that happened. He chose not to say who he was voting for that day (when others did), and it felt to me like he was a part of the wolf maneuver to set me up for a lynch that day which backfired on them. I just got through saying in my helsing tribe thread that I felt he was likely good and Anxiety bad.. but I keep going back and forth on that. I really am not sure on the lupus wolf other than I would be shocked if it was Kwhit.

Howard tribe: Part of me strongly wants to believe that Jonathan was the wolf for his maneuvering the vote between cronin and me. I don't see any reason why that vote shouldn't have come in path-swaggs. I think when the wolves killed off Mr.W that night they expected me to get lynched due to no longer having the helsing majority in our own tribe, and one of the helsing members being a wolf. Path spoiled those plans by saying he did not plan on voting for me, that ended up sending Cronin to the lynch. Because of that I have a hard time believing Path is a wolf, but I guess I've seen stranger things.

Convert: I think because of the bodyguard being offed as the first wolf kill, the convert had to have been in Oz tribe. I think it was a possibility of Cronin or Ardent being that convert, but with Cronin's name sent in the vote with mine the other day I have felt it unlikely that he was the convert. Ardent may have been it, but I don't understand if he was a wolf, why he would have had a meltdown like that. Earlier in the game I felt it unlikely that ITC was the convert, but now I think its pretty possible that would be the case.

My personal objective I think right now is probably going to be to push for Swaggs/Anxiety lynches and seeing who votes where and pray we get another reward challenge that gives more info about the wolves.
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:22 PM   #2545
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if there was a convert he must be dead.
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:28 PM   #2546
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if there was a convert he must be dead.

why?
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Old 02-17-2007, 09:59 PM   #2547
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if there was a convert from Oz he must be dead(because im not a wolf)
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Old 02-17-2007, 10:02 PM   #2548
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if there was a convert from Oz he must be dead(because im not a wolf)

oh, ok then I believe you...
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Old 02-18-2007, 09:35 PM   #2549
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I have to leave early tomorrow morning so deadline for night actions is very firm and is moved up an hour.
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Old 02-18-2007, 10:23 PM   #2550
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so anyone wanna tell us who was voted out?
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