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Old 10-17-2018, 06:57 PM   #551
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Which I'd be totally fine with it it were consistent, but it's not, and that's so much worse.
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Old 10-17-2018, 07:10 PM   #552
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At least my Crew has Wade Miley to face off against Kershaw today! (I can't believe I'm not saying that sarcastically)

Umm ...
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:09 PM   #553
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Tough call to make without another angle, but I think the Red Sox got lucky with that call. It looked like the fans were standing straight up & Mookie's glove was over the line where it shouldn't be fan interference. Didn't think I'd ever say these words, but thanks Joe West!
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:24 PM   #554
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Umm ...

OK, make that game six
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:47 PM   #555
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Tough call to make without another angle, but I think the Red Sox got lucky with that call. It looked like the fans were standing straight up & Mookie's glove was over the line where it shouldn't be fan interference. Didn't think I'd ever say these words, but thanks Joe West!

I agree - at least with the "shouldn't have been interference" part. I don't have a dog in the race, so I don't need to thank Joe West
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:49 PM   #556
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I think it should have been a homer. Ball was over the line and it's fair game for a fan at that point. Worst case would be a double. Can't fathom calling that an out.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:18 AM   #557
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:42 AM   #558
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What an epic game. Wish it didn't end at 1:15am and leave me this amped up, but wow. As great as the Benintendi catch was, Reddick made basically the same play top of the 9th & Mookie's turn & throw in the bottom of the 8th might be better than both!

Had to win that too, because I don't even think the Red Sox have any idea who starts Game 5. Craig Kimbrel got bailed out from being a huge goat again - it's a pretty bad sign when I'm hoping Cora puts David Price into a playoff game!
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:19 AM   #559
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One of the things the side views show better than the view from the back is that Betts wasn't up against the wall when he jumped, there was some space there. So he could have reached back behind him with his arm and still not be on the fan side of the wall. If you look at the space between his body and the wall, and then compare it to the space between his arm and his body, he doesn't look clearly over the wall.

The fan in white is clearly over the wall - he has one hand on the wall, and the other hand is reaching away from him past the wall. He's not the guy that made contact with the glove, but he's useful for reference. It doesn't look like Betts is over the wall here, he could have drifted before or after the photo was taken, but it doesn't look like he clears the wall even in the stop action photos. I don't think you can be 100% sure either way without that one view that the security guy blocked.



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Old 10-18-2018, 12:03 PM   #560
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Jeff Sullivan is amazing. While I agree with what he's saying and the way he presents it, I think that the rule should be clarified to indicate that over / above the wall = outside the field of play.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:22 PM   #561
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It never really occurred to me that if you're in this position as a fan, you can swat away/grab at players who cross that plane. I don't remember a fan actively and intentionally doing that.

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Old 10-18-2018, 01:24 PM   #562
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It never really occurred to me that if you're in this position as a fan, you can swat away/grab at players who cross that plane. I don't remember a fan actively and intentionally doing that.
Since the famous Jeter diving into the stands at Fenway play occurred I've thought if I were front row I would stand vertical with my hands down protecting myself like I'm in a free kick wall in soccer, right against the wall, if it's an opposing player going for a catch.

I also think it's ludicrous that if a player ends up in the stands the catch counts. Use the wall, lean over & bring it back all you want, but imo it should be like a football catch where if your feet don't come back down in the field of play it's out of bounds.

I also find it a little amusing that the same Zapruder level of analysis probably shows Steve Pearce should've had a 2 run double in Game 4, but it's not a story because the Sox won that game.
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Old 10-19-2018, 06:09 AM   #563
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Woohoo. Baseball stuff happened yesterday.

Tonight, let's have LA make it a couple.
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Old 10-19-2018, 08:38 AM   #564
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You can't allow fans to have seats on the fence and not expect them to act like fans. This guy was just reaching out from the area around his seat like any normal person would do to catch the ball. Plus, there's a safety element to it, too. Do we really want or expect a fan to just sit back and allow the ball to hit them? Catch it in their stomach so they avoid interference?

There's a common sense element to this that is missing - just like the NFL and its catch rule, it ignores reality. I think the rule should be amended so that the fan has to be clearly reaching into the field of play or intentionally attempting to interfere. Or, remove the first row of seats and put a barrier up that makes it difficult to reach to the fence without some effort - which would then clearly be interference.
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Old 10-19-2018, 10:46 AM   #565
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You can't allow fans to have seats on the fence and not expect them to act like fans. This guy was just reaching out from the area around his seat like any normal person would do to catch the ball. Plus, there's a safety element to it, too. Do we really want or expect a fan to just sit back and allow the ball to hit them? Catch it in their stomach so they avoid interference?


Ya, my fellow Red Sox fans at the Red Sox subreddit got mad at me when I suggested that these fans didn't do anything wrong. I think they were very slightly over the wall, as they probably were every time they stood up to go to the bathroom. And if a ball is flying at you there, I think it's OK to extend your elbows. And once you do that, at all, you're over the fence.

I don't think it's some big emergency that needs to be changed though. You get the odd, entertaining, controversial home run/out call. Probably worth the overall fan experience of people getting to sit that close in all these games
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:48 PM   #566
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I would be in favor of a retroactive rule that declares the Jeter HR to be an out and strips the Yankees of their subsequent 5 WS titles. Other than that, I agree it's no big deal that needs to be fixed immediately, but some common sense would be a start.
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Old 10-20-2018, 09:06 PM   #567
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Thank you baby jesus for that at bat. I, personally, needed that.
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Old 10-21-2018, 09:33 AM   #568
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Good season for my Brewers. Not salty at all about losing last night, the season far exceeded my expectations.
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Old 10-21-2018, 10:30 AM   #569
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Good season for my Brewers. Not salty at all about losing last night, the season far exceeded my expectations.


One hell of a run!
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Old 10-21-2018, 10:38 AM   #570
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One hell of a run!

It’s easier to stomach when the Cardinals don’t knock us out and spit on us like they usually do!
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Old 10-22-2018, 10:03 AM   #571
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It’s easier to stomach when the Cardinals don’t knock us out and spit on us like they usually do!


I actually really enjoyed watching the Brewers this year. Would have loved to have seen them in the World Series. What a refreshing manager you guys have in Craig Counsell.
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Old 10-22-2018, 01:33 PM   #572
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I actually really enjoyed watching the Brewers this year. Would have loved to have seen them in the World Series. What a refreshing manager you guys have in Craig Counsell.

I like Counsell a lot. The Brewers took some criticism when they hired him for his lack of experience managing. But he was getting front office experience which he credits for molding his view of how to manage. I used to think that a manager's job was to not screw things up but with Counsell I see how a manager can have a positive impact through his actions instead of doing what everybody else does.
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Old 10-23-2018, 04:08 PM   #573
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Old 10-24-2018, 08:45 PM   #574
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Hasn't been a perfect strike zone, but it's been quite consistent.
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Old 10-24-2018, 10:27 PM   #575
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Well one team scored 2 runs with the bases loaded and nobody out, and the other scored 3 runs with the bases loaded and 2 outs.
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Old 10-24-2018, 11:11 PM   #576
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I like Counsell a lot. The Brewers took some criticism when they hired him for his lack of experience managing. But he was getting front office experience which he credits for molding his view of how to manage. I used to think that a manager's job was to not screw things up but with Counsell I see how a manager can have a positive impact through his actions instead of doing what everybody else does.


I love his way of thinking.. it's a huge factor why they had as much success as they did. He's the complete opposite of Matheny.
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Old 10-27-2018, 02:35 AM   #577
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18 innings later..
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Old 10-27-2018, 02:51 AM   #578
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That was ... nuts.
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Old 10-27-2018, 03:01 AM   #579
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I'm wondering if any team has played and won two 13+ inning games in the same postseason before.

But after that game I lack the stamina to dive through postseason box scores to find the answer.
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I'm wondering if any team has played and won two 13+ inning games in the same postseason before.

But after that game I lack the stamina to dive through postseason box scores to find the answer.

I found KC with a 14 and an 11 before giving up in the late 90s somewhere
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Old 10-27-2018, 09:34 AM   #581
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I think I made it to the 16th before my eyes couldn’t stay open anymore.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:05 AM   #582
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On DVR, DISH allotted 3 hours, and I added the max 90 minutes to the end of that. Then I recorded an episode of 2 and a half men that was scheduled for later, and added the max 90 minutes to the end of that. So a total of 6.5 hours. Not enough. Glad I was able to fast forward through commercials at least.
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Old 10-27-2018, 10:58 PM   #583
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:44 PM   #584
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Old 10-27-2018, 11:47 PM   #585
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Counterpoint - go Sox...
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Old 10-28-2018, 08:56 AM   #586
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Every time I think I've gotten over being a pre-2004 Sox fan, I get reminded by games like last night's that the pessimist is still in there. By the 7th inning of last night, I was ready to concede that game and go into "it's okay, we'll get them tomorrow" mode -- which is an improvement over "OMG, it's all about to go horribly wrong AGAIN" (pre-2004 mode) -- but then the team proves me wrong and does something awesome.

I'm pretty happy that it was Pearce and Moreland that turned this game around. Moreland has sort of been the odd man out/forgotten guy since JD arrived, though he's quietly accepted his role and just kept contributing. Pearce is just that journeyman gamer that I want to see do well. (Saw an article the other day about how he's now played for every team in the AL East, but he's been a Sox fan since childhood, so getting traded to Boston was a lifelong dream. So a game like last night's just hits me right in the feels.)

ETA: I'm really sort of glad that we didn't end up playing Milwaukee. When you've got the biggest payroll in baseball, out-talenting a small market club just feels cheesy with the embarrassment of riches we've had in the last 15 years. (I still have mixed feelings about the 2007 WS win over Colorado.) But I don't mind it so much against LA, since they're not exactly pinching pennies, either. The only bummer for me in this series is that Kershaw is my favorite non-Sox MLBer, and I'd really like to see him get a ring, so I feel bad rooting against him.

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Old 10-28-2018, 10:13 PM   #587
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Old 10-29-2018, 03:04 PM   #588
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Way to burn yourself too?

It'll be interesting to see where this Red Sox team gets placed historically. The pitching seemed shaky enough (outside Eovaldi!) it doesn't feel like it should be in the best ever conversation, but that lineup (+ bench bats) was absolutely absurd, and 108 wins + 11-3 vs two 100+ win teams and a good Dodgers squad speaks for itself.

Speaking of Eovaldi I really hope the Sox let some other team give tons of $$$ to Kimbrel and give all that money to him instead.
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Old 10-29-2018, 05:01 PM   #590
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Meh. Another season in the books. This World Series was dominating and I only watched parts of two games, and I hate juggernauts, but hard to hate good organizational management and deft spending paying off. Also, Jays could've kept Price and didn't, so it serves Rogers and Co right.
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I was raised in a Dodgers household and my brother is still a diehard, although I of course left to follow the Angels a long time ago. I still profess to be a Dodgers fan outside of the Angels.

That said, as a manager at a business heavily impacted by Dodgers fans watching their team in the World Series... I can't stand many, if not most, Dodgers fans that come into my business. They suck. They stay all game, spending as little money as possible, and complaining about every little thing they can.

So, go Sox. Glad they won. As for the Doyer fans, I suppose it doesn't matter. They'll just put away their Dodgers jerseys until spring, and in the mean time, they will wear their Raiders jersey or their Lakers jersey.
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Old 11-04-2018, 09:05 PM   #592
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Anyone seriously know the justification for Corey Dickerson winning a gold glove?
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Old 11-04-2018, 11:24 PM   #593
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:17 PM   #594
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Whats the bigger finalist snub, deGrom not being an MVP finalist or Martinez not being one?
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Old 11-16-2018, 04:10 PM   #595
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DeGrom takes the Cy Young in a landslide despite only having 10 wins and Trout becomes the all time leader in top 4 MVP finishes at age 27 (passing DiMaggio, A-Rod, and Frank Thomas).
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I dunno, maybe you see if Paxton can throw more than 160 innings before you trade anything of value for him?
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Old 11-20-2018, 11:07 AM   #597
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Baseball just got a lot less fun to watch. Adrian Beltre is retiring after 21 years.
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I dunno, maybe you see if Paxton can throw more than 160 innings before you trade anything of value for him?

I've very much enjoyed my NYY fan friends now suddenly being convinced that Sheffield is destined for mediocrity.
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I've very much enjoyed my NYY fan friends now suddenly being convinced that Sheffield is destined for mediocrity.

I'd argue there's a good chance he's nearly as solid as Paxton this year
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Article gets a little geeky in places but if you have the patience for long stories that use a lot of numbers there's some interesting stuff about the way the human brain processes things.

'I won't throw it there again' -- MLB's most wicked comebackers of 2018
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