Werewolf LXIII - Fall of the Elementals (Game Over - Avatars Win!) - Page 15

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 06:01 PM

Off to grab food as well, then to take a look at vote totals when I get back.

I'm in the middle of an e-mail migration tonight, but I expect it to be very quiet, giving me plenty of time to sift through posts, change my vote (if needed), etc.

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 06:10 PM

Gotta double check this for accuracy, but this is what I have.

clap 3
path 0
mr w 2
jeheinz 1

Edited to add 1 to MrW.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 06:17 PM

path12 · 12-14-2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

If I may follow by picking a couple of candidates out of hoops's "reasons not to vote"...
4.) Cronin - powers blocked on Night 1? Seems to have had Duke power (has this been explicitly stated?) on Day 2
5.) Path - powers blocked on Night 1?

I tend to think that powers being blocked are in no way determinative about a person, any more than Duking is determinative.

Also, I think hoops should remain in the frame.

I want to reiterate. My power was blocked on Night 1, but I was also attacked and basically had one of my powers changed for the worse. It's not just that I was blocked. Though nobody has come out to say they attacked me, I don't necessarily know if someone would.

path12 · 12-14-2007, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

"Multi-quote" is the way to do it. Then "Quote" for the last one in the sequence.

Lathum, Path, MrW - have any of you guys played with Clap before as a wolf? As a villager? I don't have a read on his "wolf game" vs his "villager game" from the little bit of reading along that I've done for games he has played.

I think this is his third game here? I think he's been a villager. I also think he's consistently been suspicious.

Truthfully, I don't think I have a good read on him at all yet.

Lathum · 12-14-2007, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I hardly ever agree with Lathum about anything in these games.

which is why you are usualy wrong

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 07:19 PM

unvote heinz
vote wednesday

Mr. Wednesday · 12-14-2007, 07:29 PM

VOTE claphamsa

Whereas my head is on the line, I will be much less amenable to alternatives than I would normally be.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 07:35 PM

me too thats why i switched!

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

I want to reiterate. My power was blocked on Night 1, but I was also attacked and basically had one of my powers changed for the worse. It's not just that I was blocked. Though nobody has come out to say they attacked me, I don't necessarily know if someone would.

Path, is this the first time you have shared this information? I recall you posting that your powers were altered (wanted to scan me, got a lesser power as a result) but the description above sounds like several events took place around you?

Lathum · 12-14-2007, 07:48 PM

How was Path attacked, blocked, and still survive?

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 07:50 PM

Also, is there any harm in stating what power you received instead of a scan towards me? I would like to know if you are the person that performed a ritual on me, as I sensed someone doing this Night 1.

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 07:51 PM

Little over an hour left.

clap 4
path 0
mr w 3
jeheinz 0

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, is this the first time you have shared this information? I recall you posting that your powers were altered (wanted to scan me, got a lesser power as a result) but the description above sounds like several events took place around you?

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Originally Posted by path12

Someone visited me and altered one of my powers. I have no idea who.

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, are those two separate events (visited = one, altered power = two) or the same event?

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

One event, I was visited by someone who altered one of my powers.

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Originally Posted by path12

What I know is this: I was invaded by another magic. I lost a power I originally had and got a substitute (and weaker) power in return. That's about all I want to say about it at this point.

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Originally Posted by path12

I also will say that I tried to scan hoops last night, but apparently the attack on me caused that to fail, for I got no reading.

I don't think that I said anything different a hour ago than all of this yesterday.

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Also, is there any harm in stating what power you received instead of a scan towards me? I would like to know if you are the person that performed a ritual on me, as I sensed someone doing this Night 1.

I didn't get anything in exchange for the scan. The power I lost and had replaced was a different one. I'm just assuming the attack was what caused the scan to fail. Our illustrious GM assures me that I have all the information I'm going to get on this.

Lathum · 12-14-2007, 08:04 PM

Path knows how to multi quote

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Path knows how to multi quote

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:06 PM

BTW, if you have any questions, fire away. I'd like to get this resolved if there are questions.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:07 PM

hes so smart! and I have to feel sorry for a fellow Wyoming coach!

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:07 PM

Path, I guess I just read it differently as you posted it here and it caught me off-guard. It sounded like a bunch of activities around you rather than one player acting on you.

Path, let me re-phrase: what was the power you gained in place of the scan? Second, was that alternate power still directed at me? If there is a strategic reason not to say, so be it. If not, I'm interested.

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:09 PM

Votes as of Post #720:

Clap - Cronin (557), JE (584), Lathum (681), MrW (708)
MrW - Hoops (617), Heinz (621), Clap (707)
The now-dead Saldana - Swaggs (569)

Not voted: Path, Schmidty, Swaggs (assuming his vote does not count)

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Path, let me re-phrase: what was the power you gained in place of the scan? Second, was that alternate power still directed at me? If there is a strategic reason not to say, so be it. If not, I'm interested.

I gained nothing in place of the scan. I started with four separate powers, let's call them A B C D. Let's say the scan was A.

Night 1, I used scan A on hoops.

The result I got back talked about the invasion, and said that I had lost power B, however it was replaced by power E and that the scan A had failed.

So now I have C D and E for powers. I used C last night to no avail, so now I'm down to D and E.

Does that help?

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

hes so smart! and I have to feel sorry for a fellow Wyoming coach!

I just lost my first game of the new season to Rice. Wyoming was an 11 point favorite. My team sucks.

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:14 PM

I don't really have a preference between either MrW or clap, but with two still to vote I'd like to see what happens if we tie it up now.

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:15 PM

Im 4-20 or so as the coach! just missed a perfect season by beating BYU in week 14 last year!

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:15 PM

Yes, that helps a lot. It is much clearer to me what happened.

Hmm, I have my doubts that you were the one performing the ritual on me Night 1 if your scan outright failed. Possible Saldana?

Swaggs, if/when you show up, have you had a ritual performed against you at any point this game?

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

I don't really have a preference between either MrW or clap, but with two still to vote I'd like to see what happens if we tie it up now.

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY

I get that. Last night I lamented that I didn't like the two candidates we had in the tie because there was some action trail around them. We don't have it on these guys, for better or worse, so I think there is a slightly better chance that one of them is an Avatar.

I don't think that either of the two guys who don't have their votes in right now are good bets to be back before deadline, which means that we will end up with a tie if people don't move their votes. I'm a little concerned about outright randomness on the tie-break process based on how our moderator is wired

Schmidty · 12-14-2007, 08:22 PM

Vote claphamsa

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm a little concerned about outright randomness on the tie-break process based on how our moderator is wired

I heard that. And so did the Trout.

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:23 PM

Yeah, I'm kind of wary of the tiebreak procedure also. On one hand, we get an insight into it, but on the other....who knows what the Trout will do? I think if they don't show up we might want to decide on one or the other.

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:24 PM

Oops, never mind.

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I heard that. And so did the Trout.

Did I type randomness? I meant GREATNESS!

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:27 PM

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:28 PM

Schmidty, what was the reason to pick Clap over MrW? Or any other candidates?

When you say you had your power stolen, did it sound like the same thing that Path described in Post #722? Or something entirely different?

Mr. Wednesday · 12-14-2007, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I heard that. And so did the Trout.

So... the tie is broken by the trout slapping hoopsguy around a bit?

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:33 PM

I hate fish

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

So... the tie is broken by the trout slapping hoopsguy around a bit?

.....yessssss. It's *exactly* that. Really. Honest. You totally should believe me.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:41 PM

so the arguemtns against me are that I messed up last night, and didnt read the thread, and tonight, since hinze said nothgin usefull I voted for him, anythign meaningful? or am i realy gonna get lynched for not paying enough attention yesterday?

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:42 PM

I'm OK with that as long as I'm not finding my way onto the Page 1 updates with a "death by trout - Elemental" next to my name.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-14-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

so the arguemtns against me are that I messed up last night, and didnt read the thread, and tonight, since hinze said nothgin usefull I voted for him, anythign meaningful? or am i realy gonna get lynched for not paying enough attention yesterday?

I think the argument is that they feel you look more suspicious than I do. If you're not an avatar, I'm sure the avatars are finding the whole thing quite amusing as they waltz to a victory.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I'm OK with that as long as I'm not finding my way onto the Page 1 updates with a "death by trout - Elemental" next to my name.

thats gonna be my spot i fear!

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

so the arguemtns against me are that I messed up last night, and didnt read the thread, and tonight, since hinze said nothgin usefull I voted for him, anythign meaningful? or am i realy gonna get lynched for not paying enough attention yesterday?

Since my vote is on the other guy I'm not the one you need to pursuade. However, I think the argument is that:
1.) We don't have any kind of vouch for you
2.) The power you have reported using didn't work, and is being reported differently than others who may have been blocked as well

With Cronin and Path, they knew their powers had been altered. Schmidty hasn't posted enough detail on his power being "stolen" to really compare notes with your story. I think if someone else had a similar experience to yours it would help your credibility a great deal.

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 08:46 PM

Less than 15 minutes, currently clap and MrW's fate is in the hands of the Trout, at 4 votes apiece.

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:47 PM

1) not my fault no one scanned me?
2) well I only get what Im told

Lathum · 12-14-2007, 08:48 PM

so is anyone gonna swap?

claphamsa · 12-14-2007, 08:49 PM

ill swap

hoopsguy · 12-14-2007, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Less than 15 minutes, currently clap and MrW's fate is in the hands of the Trout, at 4 votes apiece.

Can you check those numbers? I show the following:

Clap - Cronin (557), JE (584), Lathum (681), MrW (708), Schmidty (728)
MrW - Hoops (617), Heinz (621), Clap (707), Path (724)
The now-dead Saldana - Swaggs (569)

path12 · 12-14-2007, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

so is anyone gonna swap?

I'm OK with seeing what happens this way.

Coffee Warlord · 12-14-2007, 08:52 PM

Double checking now.

Lathum · 12-14-2007, 08:55 PM

I am starting to tghink maybe it wasn't swaggs who killed saldana.

12-14-2007, 06:10 PM	#702
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Gotta double check this for accuracy, but this is what I have. clap 3 path 0 mr w 2 jeheinz 1 Edited to add 1 to MrW. Last edited by Coffee Warlord : 12-14-2007 at 06:14 PM.

12-14-2007, 06:17 PM	#703
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	__________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 07:19 PM	#707
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	unvote heinz vote wednesday __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 07:29 PM	#708
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	VOTE claphamsa Whereas my head is on the line, I will be much less amenable to alternatives than I would normally be. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-14-2007, 07:35 PM	#709
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	me too thats why i switched! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 06:01 PM	#701
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Off to grab food as well, then to take a look at vote totals when I get back. I'm in the middle of an e-mail migration tonight, but I expect it to be very quiet, giving me plenty of time to sift through posts, change my vote (if needed), etc.

12-14-2007, 07:48 PM	#711
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	How was Path attacked, blocked, and still survive?

12-14-2007, 07:50 PM	#712
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Also, is there any harm in stating what power you received instead of a scan towards me? I would like to know if you are the person that performed a ritual on me, as I sensed someone doing this Night 1.

12-14-2007, 07:51 PM	#713
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Little over an hour left. clap 4 path 0 mr w 3 jeheinz 0

12-14-2007, 08:04 PM	#716
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Path knows how to multi quote

12-14-2007, 08:06 PM	#718
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	BTW, if you have any questions, fire away. I'd like to get this resolved if there are questions. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-14-2007, 08:07 PM	#719
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	hes so smart! and I have to feel sorry for a fellow Wyoming coach! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:07 PM	#720
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, I guess I just read it differently as you posted it here and it caught me off-guard. It sounded like a bunch of activities around you rather than one player acting on you. Path, let me re-phrase: what was the power you gained in place of the scan? Second, was that alternate power still directed at me? If there is a strategic reason not to say, so be it. If not, I'm interested.

12-14-2007, 08:09 PM	#721
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Votes as of Post #720: Clap - Cronin (557), JE (584), Lathum (681), MrW (708) MrW - Hoops (617), Heinz (621), Clap (707) The now-dead Saldana - Swaggs (569) Not voted: Path, Schmidty, Swaggs (assuming his vote does not count)

12-14-2007, 08:14 PM	#724
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I don't really have a preference between either MrW or clap, but with two still to vote I'd like to see what happens if we tie it up now. VOTE MR WEDNESDAY __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-14-2007, 08:15 PM	#725
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Im 4-20 or so as the coach! just missed a perfect season by beating BYU in week 14 last year! __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:15 PM	#726
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yes, that helps a lot. It is much clearer to me what happened. Hmm, I have my doubts that you were the one performing the ritual on me Night 1 if your scan outright failed. Possible Saldana? Swaggs, if/when you show up, have you had a ritual performed against you at any point this game?

12-14-2007, 08:22 PM	#728
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Vote claphamsa

12-14-2007, 08:23 PM	#730
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Yeah, I'm kind of wary of the tiebreak procedure also. On one hand, we get an insight into it, but on the other....who knows what the Trout will do? I think if they don't show up we might want to decide on one or the other. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-14-2007, 08:24 PM	#731
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Oops, never mind. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-14-2007, 08:27 PM	#733
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	__________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:28 PM	#734
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Schmidty, what was the reason to pick Clap over MrW? Or any other candidates? When you say you had your power stolen, did it sound like the same thing that Path described in Post #722? Or something entirely different?

12-14-2007, 08:33 PM	#736
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	I hate fish __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:41 PM	#738
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	so the arguemtns against me are that I messed up last night, and didnt read the thread, and tonight, since hinze said nothgin usefull I voted for him, anythign meaningful? or am i realy gonna get lynched for not paying enough attention yesterday? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:42 PM	#739
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I'm OK with that as long as I'm not finding my way onto the Page 1 updates with a "death by trout - Elemental" next to my name.

12-14-2007, 08:46 PM	#743
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Less than 15 minutes, currently clap and MrW's fate is in the hands of the Trout, at 4 votes apiece.

12-14-2007, 08:47 PM	#744
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	1) not my fault no one scanned me? 2) well I only get what Im told __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:48 PM	#745
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so is anyone gonna swap?

12-14-2007, 08:49 PM	#746
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ill swap __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-14-2007, 08:52 PM	#749
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Double checking now.

12-14-2007, 08:55 PM	#750
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I am starting to tghink maybe it wasn't swaggs who killed saldana.

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