London Riots

Groundhog · 08-09-2011, 10:51 PM

Surprised there's no post on here re: the London Riots yet. Is it getting much press over in the States?

RainMaker · 08-09-2011, 10:53 PM

Not enough, but I've been following the feeds online from Sky News and BBC. Crazy stuff.

One of the areas where our 2nd Amendment really shows its benefits.

BillJasper · 08-09-2011, 11:04 PM

No one here cares.

stevew · 08-09-2011, 11:13 PM

Really struggling to care. That's why police and military get paid....to take care of shit.

Lathum · 08-09-2011, 11:18 PM

I've been following them. My Sister In Law and her husband live in England so I was a little nervous. They are about 3 miles from the main area in Islington and hear a lot of sirens and such. Basically she said it is a bunch of thugs looking for an excuse to riot.

sabotai · 08-09-2011, 11:18 PM

There something on the news about it today, but it's not getting much attention. In fact, hardly any of the riots that have occurred in Europe over the last several years have gotten any real press here.

stevew · 08-09-2011, 11:20 PM

I refuse to care about countries with little to no oil as well

JonInMiddleGA · 08-09-2011, 11:23 PM

Read the coverage Tuesday morning (U.S. time) with considerable interest & read several versions to get more detail.

Was a lead story on the U.S. print wires during that part of the day, steadily dropped down the list as the day wore on.

From a social standpoint, I think I saw 3-5 FB friends comment on it (out of the 100ish ppl that looked active today), all rather mortified at the lax police response & sympathetic to those who were victimized by it (the 100 year old furniture store struck a particular nerve for both & them).

As Rainmaker said, I'd think it's pretty hard for a U.S. resident not to look at these & think about the 2nd amendment. It crossed my mind somewhere around the point where I saw references to homes being broken into & families trying to figure out how to safely flee the area.

BillJasper · 08-09-2011, 11:25 PM

If they had the second amendment the rioters would probably be out there with guns. Making a bad situation worse.

cartman · 08-09-2011, 11:27 PM

There was an article that Amazon.co.uk saw a 6000% spike in the orders for batons and baseball bats.

Riot Gear Hits Amazon UK's Best-Seller List | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

JonInMiddleGA · 08-09-2011, 11:28 PM

FWIW, the latest update on the story is in the top story (top left) position of ajc.com (the Atlanta daily newspaper's website)
That's pretty unusual prominence for an international story, especially one that doesn't involve the U.S. directly nor a natural disaster.

cartman · 08-09-2011, 11:30 PM

dola,

the 2nd amendment didn't seem to stop the various riots in L.A. over the past 40 years, nor the Chicago riots in '68, nor the Cincinnati riots in 2001, etc.

EagleFan · 08-09-2011, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cartman

dola,

the 2nd amendment didn't seem to stop the various riots in L.A. over the past 40 years, nor the Chicago riots in '68, nor the Cincinnati riots in 2001, etc.

All the talk of riots and no mention of Detroit?

cartman · 08-09-2011, 11:37 PM

Detroit, Newark, Seattle (WTO). There are numerous example of multi-day riots in the recent history of the US.

Lathum · 08-09-2011, 11:38 PM

This thread is about to take a predictable turn...

BillJasper · 08-09-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This thread is about to take a predictable turn...

Autumn · 08-09-2011, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

This thread is about to take a predictable turn...

I just visited the homes of everyone who was about to post in this thread and chatted with them about gun rights, or threatened them with a gun, accordingly. So I think we're all set here.

Lathum · 08-09-2011, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Autumn

I just visited the homes of everyone who was about to post in this thread and chatted with them about gun rights, or threatened them with a gun, accordingly. So I think we're all set here.

whoa!

Are you Santa Clause?

RainMaker · 08-10-2011, 12:02 AM

I'm sort of shocked by the lack of response by the police. Watching on the various news channels, they have reporters just watching looters go in and out of stores and no response from police.

Logan · 08-10-2011, 12:03 AM

I feel like it's been getting a proper amount of attention here, and maybe that builds if the riots start to move more into what I guess is central London? I deal with guys in London regularly for work and they're definitely scared, as they should be. A conference call I had today got cut off early because they were told to close the office at 3pm and get out.

I have a trip there planned next month. I'm guessing if we were supposed to go next week, we wouldn't be allowed to.

Groundhog · 08-10-2011, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

If they had the second amendment the rioters would probably be out there with guns. Making a bad situation worse.

This is how I feel. When I read about someone being shot defending his property, my first thought was more relief that more of the rioters didn't have guns, than it being a shame that the guy defending his home didn't.

Autumn · 08-10-2011, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

whoa!

Are you Santa Clause?

I am indeed authorized by the little known Santa Clause of the Constitution.

CrimsonFox · 08-10-2011, 01:21 AM

yet another chapter in the "people don't know how to fucking spell" handbook

Honolulu_Blue · 08-10-2011, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by EagleFan

All the talk of riots and no mention of Detroit?

That was over 50 years ago! There aren't enough people in Detroit for a proper riot.

bronconick · 08-10-2011, 08:18 AM

Just a couple odd points. Listening to British politicians start announcing around Monday that "Mr. so and so will be cancelling his holiday to deal with this crisis."

Uh, yeah, your capital city is on fire. You may want to get that checked out.

The other was in an article about the guy who was shot that was the spark to this whole thing exploding.

Quote:

Duggan, a known offender from London’s notorious Broadwater Farm Estate

Even British gang names are classier than their American counterparts!

Ksyrup · 08-10-2011, 08:33 AM

I really haven't seen much about what's going on over there or what started it. I did see that several independent record labels' stock may have been completely destroyed in a warehouse fire, which sucks.

Qwikshot · 08-10-2011, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Not enough, but I've been following the feeds online from Sky News and BBC. Crazy stuff.

One of the areas where our 2nd Amendment really shows its benefits.

Didn't the riots originate because a police officer shot and killed someone who was armed (but hadn't fired the weapon)?

Does anyone think we're slipping back into the late 70's? I mean the oil crisis, Middle East sagas, austerity, the malaise with government, high unemployment, general uncertainty, mobs roaming the streets...

I can only imagine the rise of punk bands, roller rinks, and movies with Charles Bronson coming back soon.

JPhillips · 08-10-2011, 09:07 AM

and... DISCO!

Coffee Warlord · 08-10-2011, 09:12 AM

Friend of mine's wife is a foreign service officer in London. Been trying to get ahold of him to see how things are doing, haven't been able to catch him on IM.

I'm betting they've got themselves a military bodyguard at this point.

Edward64 · 08-10-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Groundhog

This is how I feel. When I read about someone being shot defending his property, my first thought was more relief that more of the rioters didn't have guns, than it being a shame that the guy defending his home didn't.

When the zombie apocalypse happens you'll wish you had my .22 and 9mm.

Ksyrup · 08-10-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Didn't the riots originate because a police officer shot and killed someone who was armed (but hadn't fired the weapon)?

Does anyone think we're slipping back into the late 70's? I mean the oil crisis, Middle East sagas, austerity, the malaise with government, high unemployment, general uncertainty, mobs roaming the streets...

I can only imagine the rise of punk bands, roller rinks, and movies with Charles Bronson coming back soon.

Don't worry, everything will be fine because we've got Ronald Palin coming to the rescue.

gstelmack · 08-10-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

If they had the second amendment the rioters would probably be out there with guns. Making a bad situation worse.

This is just absurd. The LA riots did not involve many guns, and the most publicized incident from it (the truck driver) was a plain beating. How many in Detroit back in the day when we didn't even have most of the gun control laws in place now?

Ksyrup · 08-10-2011, 10:32 AM

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Ksyrup · 08-10-2011, 10:34 AM

I guess I should have been paying more attention to this.

Rizon · 08-10-2011, 11:18 AM

Is there a tea and crumpets shortage or something?

Honolulu_Blue · 08-10-2011, 11:29 AM

I have a friend of mine who lives there. He was playing hockey the other night and the folks at the rink told them they had to leave before the game was done because the riots were getting closer. Some guys in a car threw an egg at my friend when he was walking home. They missed.

That's all I got on this.

JPhillips · 08-10-2011, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Edward64

When the zombie apocalypse happens you'll wish you had my .22 and 9mm.

Please. It's shotguns or die come the zombie apocalypse.

Rizon · 08-10-2011, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Please. It's shotguns or die come the zombie apocalypse.

But don't you have to be at close range, thus risking splatterage getting into your orifices and thus turning you into a zombie yourself?

Edward64 · 08-10-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

Please. It's shotguns or die come the zombie apocalypse.

Don't agree with shotguns but does raise an interesting question. I know a 9mm will do the job but will a .22 headshot kill a zombie?

Oh, also do have a kukri (to clear brush in the backyard). But that's only for the last resort, out-of-ammo situation.

Coffee Warlord · 08-10-2011, 02:24 PM

Well, good news is, my friend and his family are doing fine. They've had a few horror stories from their friends who live in less safe areas, though.

Fidatelo · 08-10-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I get the joke of having Vader in there, but what is the reason for 'shopping in Jason Sudeikis?

RainMaker · 08-10-2011, 02:36 PM

It seems less like riots and more like smash and grabbers.

JediKooter · 08-10-2011, 02:37 PM

Have a co-worker that grew up in London. He keeps seeing pictures of all the places he used to visit/hang out, now in flames or burnt down.

sabotai · 08-10-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

and... DISCO!

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BishopMVP · 08-10-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It seems less like riots and more like smash and grabbers.

That's the part I find interesting. It seems like there is a segment of people using BBM's etc. to organize "flash robs" while using the riots as cover.

BYU 14 · 08-10-2011, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

That's the part I find interesting. It seems like there is a segment of people using BBM's etc. to organize "flash robs" while using the riots as cover.

There is probably more anger over the class disparity there then there is over this shooting. The shooting was just the spark that ignited the frustration over high unemployment and the growing chasm between the wealthy and poor.

My family is a ways from London thankfully, but are still worried that things could erupt where they are as well, since some of the smaller townships are in even worse shape.

I find it somewhat humorous that some wealthy british celebs have come out asking for calm, as this will only anger some of these groups more.

DanGarion · 08-10-2011, 03:28 PM

It's just a bunch of bitchy kids that have no respect for people's property, like every group of rioters.

08-09-2011, 11:04 PM	#3
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	No one here cares. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

08-09-2011, 11:23 PM	#8
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	Read the coverage Tuesday morning (U.S. time) with considerable interest & read several versions to get more detail. Was a lead story on the U.S. print wires during that part of the day, steadily dropped down the list as the day wore on. From a social standpoint, I think I saw 3-5 FB friends comment on it (out of the 100ish ppl that looked active today), all rather mortified at the lax police response & sympathetic to those who were victimized by it (the 100 year old furniture store struck a particular nerve for both & them). As Rainmaker said, I'd think it's pretty hard for a U.S. resident not to look at these & think about the 2nd amendment. It crossed my mind somewhere around the point where I saw references to homes being broken into & families trying to figure out how to safely flee the area. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis

08-09-2011, 11:25 PM	#9
BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	If they had the second amendment the rioters would probably be out there with guns. Making a bad situation worse. __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it. Last edited by BillJasper : 08-09-2011 at 11:25 PM.

08-09-2011, 11:27 PM	#10
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	There was an article that Amazon.co.uk saw a 6000% spike in the orders for batons and baseball bats. Riot Gear Hits Amazon UK's Best-Seller List \| News & Opinion \| PCMag.com __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-09-2011, 11:28 PM	#11
JonInMiddleGA Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Behind Enemy Lines in Athens, GA	FWIW, the latest update on the story is in the top story (top left) position of ajc.com (the Atlanta daily newspaper's website) That's pretty unusual prominence for an international story, especially one that doesn't involve the U.S. directly nor a natural disaster. __________________ "I lit another cigarette. Unless I specifically inform you to the contrary, I am always lighting another cigarette." - from a novel by Martin Amis Last edited by JonInMiddleGA : 08-09-2011 at 11:29 PM.

08-09-2011, 10:53 PM	#2
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Not enough, but I've been following the feeds online from Sky News and BBC. Crazy stuff. One of the areas where our 2nd Amendment really shows its benefits.

08-09-2011, 11:13 PM	#4
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Really struggling to care. That's why police and military get paid....to take care of shit.

08-09-2011, 11:18 PM	#5
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I've been following them. My Sister In Law and her husband live in England so I was a little nervous. They are about 3 miles from the main area in Islington and hear a lot of sirens and such. Basically she said it is a bunch of thugs looking for an excuse to riot.

08-09-2011, 11:18 PM	#6
sabotai General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Satellite of Love	There something on the news about it today, but it's not getting much attention. In fact, hardly any of the riots that have occurred in Europe over the last several years have gotten any real press here.

08-09-2011, 11:20 PM	#7
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	I refuse to care about countries with little to no oil as well

08-09-2011, 11:30 PM	#12
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	dola, the 2nd amendment didn't seem to stop the various riots in L.A. over the past 40 years, nor the Chicago riots in '68, nor the Cincinnati riots in 2001, etc. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-09-2011, 11:37 PM	#14
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Detroit, Newark, Seattle (WTO). There are numerous example of multi-day riots in the recent history of the US. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

08-09-2011, 11:38 PM	#15
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	This thread is about to take a predictable turn...

08-10-2011, 12:02 AM	#19
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	I'm sort of shocked by the lack of response by the police. Watching on the various news channels, they have reporters just watching looters go in and out of stores and no response from police.

08-10-2011, 12:03 AM	#20
Logan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NYC	I feel like it's been getting a proper amount of attention here, and maybe that builds if the riots start to move more into what I guess is central London? I deal with guys in London regularly for work and they're definitely scared, as they should be. A conference call I had today got cut off early because they were told to close the office at 3pm and get out. I have a trip there planned next month. I'm guessing if we were supposed to go next week, we wouldn't be allowed to.

08-10-2011, 01:21 AM	#23
CrimsonFox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2009	yet another chapter in the "people don't know how to fucking spell" handbook

08-10-2011, 08:33 AM	#26
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	I really haven't seen much about what's going on over there or what started it. I did see that several independent record labels' stock may have been completely destroyed in a warehouse fire, which sucks. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-10-2011, 09:07 AM	#28
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	and... DISCO! __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

08-10-2011, 09:12 AM	#29
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Friend of mine's wife is a foreign service officer in London. Been trying to get ahold of him to see how things are doing, haven't been able to catch him on IM. I'm betting they've got themselves a military bodyguard at this point.

08-10-2011, 10:32 AM	#33
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	__________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-10-2011, 10:33 AM	#35
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	__________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-10-2011, 10:34 AM	#36
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	__________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

08-10-2011, 11:29 AM	#39
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	I have a friend of mine who lives there. He was playing hockey the other night and the folks at the rink told them they had to leave before the game was done because the riots were getting closer. Some guys in a car threw an egg at my friend when he was walking home. They missed. That's all I got on this. __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

08-10-2011, 02:24 PM	#43
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Well, good news is, my friend and his family are doing fine. They've had a few horror stories from their friends who live in less safe areas, though.

08-10-2011, 02:36 PM	#45
RainMaker Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	It seems less like riots and more like smash and grabbers.

08-10-2011, 02:37 PM	#46
JediKooter Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Diego via Sausalito via San Jose via San Diego	Have a co-worker that grew up in London. He keeps seeing pictures of all the places he used to visit/hang out, now in flames or burnt down. __________________ I'm no longer a Chargers fan, they are dead to me Coming this summer to a movie theater near you: The Adventures of Jedikooter: Part 4

08-10-2011, 03:28 PM	#50
DanGarion Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwest	It's just a bunch of bitchy kids that have no respect for people's property, like every group of rioters. __________________ Los Angeles Dodgers Check out the FOFC Groups on Facebook! and Reddit! DON'T REPORT ME BRO!

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